Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

munkster

Anyone ridden any Hutchinson Intensives into the ground? Mine are looking a bit tired after 3700km through a mucky winter and have some new ones to put on but wondering if it's too soon to be binning them if people are getting significantly more out of them.

Only had one leaky puncture which self-sealed and I patched from the inside (probably unncessarily on reflection but it was my first ever on tubeless) so they've not really been abused, damage-wise.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

ok a bit of bad maintenance from me but came to wash the bike today after 4 weeks without a wash. It was a ******* nightmare what I thought was caked on mud was caked on mud mixed with baked on Stan's sealant took me a good few hours to the shoot off at one point I thought all was lost all my white decals looked brown had to chain cleaner spray and muck off and loads of wipes.

Either I have had loads of puncture's I am not aware of or Stan's is nightmare stuff first time I have used it. Never had this before, but I normally wash the bike weekly..

Good rant...

I had just finished my 15 minute summer wash over and degrease that went on for much longer, can't deny there was an element of panic!

ugo.santalucia

Meanwhile, after using gravel tyres for my trip to Scotland, I refitted the Sector today... which have done 3000 miles already, but they seem to have more in them... it took me the best part of 15 minutes to remove the Vittoria XN, then fit and seal two used Sector tyres... :-)

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

I am going to order the Fusion 5 All season - the Panaracer have hit that weird 1200-1500 puncture cutting stage as per the Ones plenty of rubber left but getting cuts and punctures. Had one right on corner where the writing starts, patched it ok but is bulging and one or two of the cuts you can see the thread. Do other people bin tyres when you get that sort of damage or am I being overly cautious? The other thing is the 23mm Panaracer had specific statement must be run at 90-120psi which seems to take away some of the benefit of tubeless and contribution to the cuts I would guess.

Pity I am limited to 23mm or I would give those Sectors a go. So far it is only the S-One that I have had long term longevity out of on the winter bike. Wiggle have a lot of the Tubeless Fusion 5's in stock, was tempted by the Galactik but thought better of it.

Getting f'ing expensive 80+ every couple of months.

fat_tail

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

I am going to order the Fusion 5 All season - the Panaracer have hit that weird 1200-1500 puncture cutting stage as per the Ones plenty of rubber left but getting cuts and punctures. Had one right on corner where the writing starts, patched it ok but is bulging and one or two of the cuts you can see the thread. Do other people bin tyres when you get that sort of damage or am I being overly cautious? The other thing is the 23mm Panaracer had specific statement must be run at 90-120psi which seems to take away some of the benefit of tubeless and contribution to the cuts I would guess.

Pity I am limited to 23mm or I would give those Sectors a go. So far it is only the S-One that I have had long term longevity out of on the winter bike. Wiggle have a lot of the Tubeless Fusion 5's in stock, was tempted by the Galactik but thought better of it.

Getting f'ing expensive 80+ every couple of months.

my Roadlites seem fine after about 2000km - i reckon I have at least another 2500 km in them if not more.

However, I noticed that they are now £45 a pop at thecycleclinic. by way of comparison I just bought a tubeless car tyre 235/45 which is much large and heavier for £78. I reckon you could get 10 bike tyres out of the rubber in that tyre. :x

drlodge

£45...that's some kind of inflation, or the £/Euro exchange rate has taken a big hit on Malcolm's finances.

ugo.santalucia

fat_tail wrote:

However, I noticed that they are now £45 a pop at thecycleclinic. by way of comparison I just bought a tubeless car tyre 235/45 which is much large and heavier for £78. I reckon you could get 10 bike tyres out of the rubber in that tyre. :x

You are not paying for the rubber, but for the labour involved, obviously... which is probably very similar

They are distributed by a Belgian dealer... the Pound has lost about 15% over the Euro... they now cost 15% more... you do your maths

fat_tail

ugo.santalucia wrote:

fat_tail wrote:

However, I noticed that they are now £45 a pop at thecycleclinic. by way of comparison I just bought a tubeless car tyre 235/45 which is much large and heavier for £78. I reckon you could get 10 bike tyres out of the rubber in that tyre. :x

You are not paying for the rubber, but for the labour involved, obviously... which is probably very similar

They are distributed by a Belgian dealer... the Pound has lost about 15% over the Euro... they now cost 15% more... you do your maths

jeez - it was said in jest. but I didn't notice the price going down when £ rallied against euro... lighten up

it's up to malcolm to charge the price he sees fit for the tyre... it's a free market after all. and I can choose to buy them or some other tyre.

fat_tail

dupe

ugo.santalucia

fat_tail wrote:

it's up to malcolm to charge the price he sees fit for the tyre... it's a free market after all. and I can choose to buy them or some other tyre.

I don't think he has a choice, unless he wants to run a business at a loss.

Prices do go down, it's just that we tend to forget that

fat_tail

ugo.santalucia wrote:

fat_tail wrote:

it's up to malcolm to charge the price he sees fit for the tyre... it's a free market after all. and I can choose to buy them or some other tyre.

I don't think he has a choice, unless he wants to run a business at a loss.

Prices do go down, it's just that we tend to forget that

prices tend to be inelastic... unless there is plenty of competition and the product is commoditised. neither apply here.

btw Hutchinson Intensive 2 tubeless are £31.59 at Wiggle .. but out of stock. RRP is £39.99 and that has not changed an iota.

stevie63

I have a business account with Schwalbe UK and they have just announced an over 17% price rise (17.4% to be precise), so you can expect to see a lot of prices going up over the next few months.

cookeeemonster

Every time I convince myself I need to switch to tubeless...I google the popular ones, (sector 28's, ones) and find out that no one sells them and those that do charge an arm and a leg. Basically it'll cost probably £110 minimum for the tyres and conversion kit.

Meh

oldbazza

Repaired the cut IRC roadlite with one of those plug hobbies and fitted(with the unused one)on the Archetypes;all ok so far,little bit of sealant came out around the plug but seems to be holding fine,will see how they fare on the commutes and find out if it was just bad luck with the glass cut.

ddraver

It is chuffing brilliant being paid in Euros but living in the UK right now...

cycleclinic

unfortunatley the pound is weak at present. If you think my 10% price hike is bad then DA hubs have gone up 30% trade at madison. Expect to see alot of things go up over the next few months once the stock bought a better exchange rates is exhuasted. Businesses cannot absorb a 15% depreciation for long the margins in the bike trade are not that big. I'll be speaking to IRC at eurobike next week so I will see what I can do about the pricing then.

cycleclinic

The conversion kit is a one off expense. Tubeless tyres are more pricey but they are better tyres as well. You get what you pay for. If you like punctures stick with tubes. I was forever stopping to fix punctures when I used clinchers not matter the tyre I used except with the challange strada bianca which is so big would only fit in one of bikes if I took the mudguards off or if I used the Schwable marathon plus which meant I did not want to ride that bike.

ddraver

Schwalbe 2017 - http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/road.html

Still no "Durano Tubeless"

Grrrrrr

Plus I ve never really seen much clamouring for a Tubeless 2.35 in MTB 29er tyre...

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

looks like all they have done is renamed the S-One to the G-One Speed.

Ridiculous that now in the 4th Gen? That they have not come out with a 25mm &28mm endurance type tyre.

My S-One tubeless are well on the way to 5k miles and still going strong would love a 25mm in this style of tyre.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

I have two all season 23mm tubless at home bought them for my Supersix but then the rear mech broke before I could try them out and at £180 to replace the RD I am back on my winter bike with the S-Ones on it.

ddraver

I tweeted my desire for a Durano Tubeless and they are apparently working on it.

Which means nothing but...

Just make a sodding S-One/G-One in 25c is all that's needed!

stevie63

I have been running an IRC RBCC 25mm tyre on my rear wheel since the beginning of May. Whilst out on a ride yesterday an almighty bang from the rear tyre and on inspection there is a split in the sidewall. They have only done 950 miles, Does this look like a faulty tyre or just unlucky damage. Do I stick with tubeless? (if yes then what tyre) or do I go back to regular clichers?

munkster

Someone will be along shortly to tell you you were unlucky and you probably were. As was I it would seem (IRC Roadlites)...



...they're great generally but I've had the worst "luck" with this tubeless tyre than any other (various Hutchinsons, Schwalbe Ones...)

stevie63

That's interesting, that looks almost identical. Even the lack of wear on the rest of the tyre. Hmm looks like I will have to try a different brand next time. What is the recommendation for a 25mm all seasons tubeless.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

stevie63 wrote:

That's interesting, that looks almost identical. Even the lack of wear on the rest of the tyre. Hmm looks like I will have to try a different brand next time. What is the recommendation for a 25mm all seasons tubeless.

It does look similar.

Not tried them myself but Hutchinson do a all season if you can fit 30m the S-One is a decent tyre

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/hutchinson-fusi ... road-tyre/

might be able ot get the Hutch cheaper from a EU Site

fat_tail

IRC Roadlites down to £42 at thecycleclinic. thanks !

drlodge

fat_tail wrote:

IRC Roadlites down to £42 at thecycleclinic. thanks !

They were £40 before they went up to £45, I guess the exchange rate is fluctuating.

fat_tail

drlodge wrote:

fat_tail wrote:

IRC Roadlites down to £42 at thecycleclinic. thanks !

They were £40 before they went up to £45, I guess the exchange rate is fluctuating.

EURGBP was .76 on 23rd of June. Weakened to .86 on 15th of August and is now .84. I guess it is not just the exchange rate !

DO you reckon the ROadlites are OK for Winter riding ?

bendertherobot

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

looks like all they have done is renamed the S-One to the G-One Speed.

Ridiculous that now in the 4th Gen? That they have not come out with a 25mm &28mm endurance type tyre.

My S-One tubeless are well on the way to 5k miles and still going strong would love a 25mm in this style of tyre.

To be fair, at least they're doing something, and have quite a big ish range now. Meanwhile, over at Conti.

drlodge

fat_tail wrote:

DO you reckon the ROadlites are OK for Winter riding ?

Depends on what you mean by winter riding. Should be as good as most tyres and should also repair themselves with the sealant. Might use more durable tyres on really rough conditions but for riding when its wet and some debris on the roads - fine.

I have these on my two best bikes (Massive Attack and Rourke), and have Conti 4 seasons on the winter bike but will use the Rourke when its fairly dry during the winter.