Thatcher is Dead
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Your blaming machine for the Belgrano ???Living MY dream.0
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Not sure why people perpetuate this rags to riches myth about thatcher. Her dad was a local grandee, she went to Oxford and married a multi millionaire. Her social class was very much part of the elite. Anyway, good luck supporting the current lot, I am sure they really are interested in running the country for everyone's benefit.Stevo 666 wrote:Blimey, that is bitter socialism epitomised. BTW what do you think 'her own social class' was, given that she was a greengrocers daughter from Grantham?
I think it's quite amusing that in the 34 years since she became PM and 23 years after leaving the job, she still manages to rile millions of lefties and will carry on doing so from the grave. For that alone, she deserves a f****g medal
To be honest though, at least she had an opinion and lived by it unlike Millibland. He must be the most useless leader of Labour in history. His speech today made me a bit ill.0 -
VTech wrote:Your blaming machine for the Belgrano ???
Not sure what a blame machine is but i'd love one.
The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:VTech wrote:Your blaming machine for the Belgrano ???
Not sure what a blame machine is but i'd love one.
Think its the nickname my other half has given me, dog house doesn't even cover it.Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:VTech wrote:Your blaming machine for the Belgrano ???
Not sure what a blame machine is but i'd love one.
I'll send you a recording of my wife.0 -
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laurentian wrote:
yeah I think the point is she got the ball rolling... the notion that new labour were worse is not lost on me.
Blair/brown were more thatcherite than thatcher
What have Thatcherism and Drugs got in common
you can shove them both up your ar5e"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
'Grandee'? Here's what Wiki has to say:nathancom wrote:
Not sure why people perpetuate this rags to riches myth about thatcher. Her dad was a local grandee, she went to Oxford and married a multi millionaire. Her social class was very much part of the elite. Anyway, good luck supporting the current lot, I am sure they really are interested in running the country for everyone's benefit.Stevo 666 wrote:Blimey, that is bitter socialism epitomised. BTW what do you think 'her own social class' was, given that she was a greengrocers daughter from Grantham?
I think it's quite amusing that in the 34 years since she became PM and 23 years after leaving the job, she still manages to rile millions of lefties and will carry on doing so from the grave. For that alone, she deserves a f****g medal
To be honest though, at least she had an opinion and lived by it unlike Millibland. He must be the most useless leader of Labour in history. His speech today made me a bit ill.
"Her father was Alfred Roberts, originally from Northamptonshire, and her mother was Beatrice Ethel (née Stephenson) from Lincolnshire. She spent her childhood in Grantham, where her father owned two grocery shops.[3] She and her older sister Muriel (1921-2004) were raised in the flat above the larger of the two, located near the railway line. Her father was active in local politics and the Methodist church, serving as an alderman and a local preacher, and brought up his daughter as a strict Methodist. He came from a Liberal family but stood—as was then customary in local government—as an Independent. He was Mayor of Grantham in 1945–46 and lost his position as alderman in 1952 after the Labour Party won its first majority on Grantham Council in 1950."
Hardly a silver spoon in the mouth, unless you count owning 2 grocery shops in Lincolnshire market town and living a flat above one of them near a railway line as 'privileged'. As for Oxford, well she was probably pretty bright and anyone can marry a millionaire, but as they say you can take the girl out of Grantham...sounds to me like solid lower middle class who managed to climb a peg or two.
Agree with you totally about Milipede though, total waste of oxygen but that's what I like to see in a labour leader
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Few people seem to remember that in 1979 we was at the height of the cold war.
Thatcher winning the election was probably the most important event in recent british history. Had Labour won, they would have ditched our American "special relationship" and climbed into bed with the Soviets.
Love her or loathe her, she defended Britian from enemies within and overseas and for that, we should all be grateful.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/366 ... y-in-1979/0 -
Geo555 wrote:Few people seem to remember that in 1979 we was at the height of the cold war.
Thatcher winning the election was probably the most important event in recent british history. Had Labour won, they would have ditched our American "special relationship" and climbed into bed with the Soviets.
Love her or loathe her, she defended Britian from enemies within and overseas and for that, we should all be grateful.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/366 ... y-in-1979/
Wow that is some hardcore right wing paranoia. The democracy she defended - is this same democracy that has special branch vet workers at ford plants, or mi5 vet workers at the bbc - some of the comments on that article are truly bizarre
"Labour have always been traitorous scum. The previous generation would have sold us into slavery under the Soviet Union. The present gang have all but sold us to the EUSSR. As for Islamofascism the left always and everywhere fawn on the fifth column in our midst in the name of 'multiculturalism'."The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
We may well end up learning the hard way again. As one M. Thatcher put it, "The problem with socialism is that eventually they run out of other people's money". Groundhog Day is at least a couple of years away thankfully.Ballysmate wrote:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
ooermissus wrote:Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.
Whatever your opinion on Thatcher, this is disgusting.
There has been a campaign for some years now to get it to number one on her death. People involved in that should be ashamed of themselves.
There a some sad people out there.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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MattC59 wrote:ooermissus wrote:Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.
Whatever your opinion on Thatcher, this is disgusting.
There has been a campaign for some years now to get it to number one on her death. People involved in that should be ashamed of themselves.
There a some sad people out there.
Carma is in overdrive at the moment.
The primary school teacher who headed the party to celebrate the death of thatcher is now looking at a disciplinary and pictures of her is a basque and sexy lingerie are all over the papers.
I bet she wished she had kept a low profile now.Living MY dream.0 -
well said - 100%, it makes you ashamed to carry a British Passport, and wish so many others did'ntMattC59 wrote:ooermissus wrote:Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.
Whatever your opinion on Thatcher, this is disgusting.
There has been a campaign for some years now to get it to number one on her death. People involved in that should be ashamed of themselves.
There a some sad people out there.http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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Cleat Eastwood wrote:Geo555 wrote:Few people seem to remember that in 1979 we was at the height of the cold war.
Thatcher winning the election was probably the most important event in recent british history. Had Labour won, they would have ditched our American "special relationship" and climbed into bed with the Soviets.
Love her or loathe her, she defended Britian from enemies within and overseas and for that, we should all be grateful.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/366 ... y-in-1979/
Wow that is some hardcore right wing paranoia. The democracy she defended - is this same democracy that has special branch vet workers at ford plants, or mi5 vet workers at the bbc - some of the comments on that article are truly bizarre
"Labour have always been traitorous scum. The previous generation would have sold us into slavery under the Soviet Union. The present gang have all but sold us to the EUSSR. As for Islamofascism the left always and everywhere fawn on the fifth column in our midst in the name of 'multiculturalism'."
bloody weird time [as it is now I guess]... there were informers everywhere for special branch. Soviet spies started at the queens purveyors of pictures and went down the social order from there.
BOSS (south african secret service) tried to recruit me!"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
We may well end up learning the hard way again. As one M. Thatcher put it, "The problem with socialism is that eventually they run out of other people's money". Groundhog Day is at least a couple of years away thankfully.Ballysmate wrote:
As one J. Finch put it "the problem with neo-liberalism is that eventually you end up bailing out a load of champagne-swilling, cocaine-snorting city boys to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds."0 -
mididoctors wrote:Cleat Eastwood wrote:Geo555 wrote:Few people seem to remember that in 1979 we was at the height of the cold war.
Thatcher winning the election was probably the most important event in recent british history. Had Labour won, they would have ditched our American "special relationship" and climbed into bed with the Soviets.
Love her or loathe her, she defended Britian from enemies within and overseas and for that, we should all be grateful.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/366 ... y-in-1979/
Wow that is some hardcore right wing paranoia. The democracy she defended - is this same democracy that has special branch vet workers at ford plants, or mi5 vet workers at the bbc - some of the comments on that article are truly bizarre
"Labour have always been traitorous scum. The previous generation would have sold us into slavery under the Soviet Union. The present gang have all but sold us to the EUSSR. As for Islamofascism the left always and everywhere fawn on the fifth column in our midst in the name of 'multiculturalism'."
bloody weird time [as it is now I guess]... there were informers everywhere for special branch. Soviet spies started at the queens purveyors of pictures and went down the social order from there.
BOSS (south african secret service) tried to recruit me!
Maybe they saw you drinking de kaffirnated coffee - All I got recruited for was the school footy team The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:mididoctors wrote:Cleat Eastwood wrote:Geo555 wrote:Few people seem to remember that in 1979 we was at the height of the cold war.
Thatcher winning the election was probably the most important event in recent british history. Had Labour won, they would have ditched our American "special relationship" and climbed into bed with the Soviets.
Love her or loathe her, she defended Britian from enemies within and overseas and for that, we should all be grateful.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/366 ... y-in-1979/
Wow that is some hardcore right wing paranoia. The democracy she defended - is this same democracy that has special branch vet workers at ford plants, or mi5 vet workers at the bbc - some of the comments on that article are truly bizarre
"Labour have always been traitorous scum. The previous generation would have sold us into slavery under the Soviet Union. The present gang have all but sold us to the EUSSR. As for Islamofascism the left always and everywhere fawn on the fifth column in our midst in the name of 'multiculturalism'."
bloody weird time [as it is now I guess]... there were informers everywhere for special branch. Soviet spies started at the queens purveyors of pictures and went down the social order from there.
BOSS (south african secret service) tried to recruit me!
Maybe they saw you drinking de kaffirnated coffee - All I got recruited for was the school footy team
they were infiltrating everything at the time.... there was an attempt by the apartheid regime to surreptitiously buy their main opposition media in the UK the observer newspaper thus silencing it. they also had at least one informer at evry UK university... no doubt so did everyone else including the sovs...
I don't think on reflection thatcher averted a trotsky revolution or anything TBH... people were sick of the unions thou and they did mishandle the fight.
perception management by the tories worked and opened up the world of political focus groups which became the stable of all parties in time... she transformed politics from a battle of ideologies into a consumer choice type of affair where counter intuitively despite the mantra of choice, offers no real way of transforming the underlying market model for bl00dy everthing.... ie now we have no choice because the parties are all the same."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:perception management by the tories worked and opened up the world of political focus groups which became the stable of all parties in time... she transformed politics from a battle of ideologies into a consumer choice type of affair where counter intuitively despite the mantra of choice, offers no real way of transforming the underlying market model for bl00dy everthing.... ie now we have no choice because the parties are all the same.
Ideologies have broken down because each of them has proved a poor model for running a 21st century society. We're fresh out of ideas for responding to most key challenges, which is why politicians tend to try a bit of this and a bit of that and hope for the best.0 -
Currently number one in the download chart.MattC59 wrote:ooermissus wrote:Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.
Whatever your opinion on Thatcher, this is disgusting.
There has been a campaign for some years now to get it to number one on her death. People involved in that should be ashamed of themselves.
There a some sad people out there.
Ok Thatcher's dead but so are all the Munchkins, let them have their day.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
There seems to be a huge amount of argument by the pro-Thatcher brigade based on the notion that even though she did some bad stuff she did some really good stuff too. Great logic. To use a deliberately provocative example, it's like saying Fred West may have murdered lots of innocent people but he sure made a great roast dinner!
Regardless of her political successes, she failed to support an attempt to obliterate apartheid in South Africa, she illegally ordered the sinking of a vessel resulting in the deaths of over 300 people (I hope Argentina follow through with their threat of filing a lawsuit regarding this war crime) and she befriended dictators who quite clearly caused death and suffering to countless civilians.
Politics is not more important than life. I believe that she felt it was. Thatcher has none of my respect just because she is dead. I am neither glad or saddened that she is gone - what her death has done is allow people an opportunity to reflect on the actions of what I believe to be a despicable human being.0 -
I think it's safe to say Karma won't be an issue for any naughty anti Thatcher folk.VTech wrote:
Carma is in overdrive at the moment.
The primary school teacher who headed the party to celebrate the death of thatcher is now looking at a disciplinary and pictures of her is a basque and sexy lingerie are all over the papers.
I bet she wished she had kept a low profile now.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
nweststeyn wrote:she failed to support an attempt to obliterate apartheid in South Africa
Thatcher writing to the President of South Africa: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any action you could undertake."0 -
ooermissus wrote:mididoctors wrote:perception management by the tories worked and opened up the world of political focus groups which became the stable of all parties in time... she transformed politics from a battle of ideologies into a consumer choice type of affair where counter intuitively despite the mantra of choice, offers no real way of transforming the underlying market model for bl00dy everthing.... ie now we have no choice because the parties are all the same.
Ideologies have broken down because each of them has proved a poor model for running a 21st century society. We're fresh out of ideas for responding to most key challenges, which is why politicians tend to try a bit of this and a bit of that and hope for the best.
well what ever the reason this absence has left a political vacuum that is getting filled by a rake of pretty nutty stuff.. latley nationalism of the bigoted variety is making a strong showing.
everyone is rushing to cover the migrant issue
the new management style of politics which basically is let focus group to death everyone in the marginal constituencies has now also failed and the current attempt to reboot the uk economy thatcher style is unlikely to work because there is no longer a substantive revenue stream from the north sea to offset the welfare costs.
Its a cocktail for extremism especially with a disaffected electorate who vote in fewer and fewer numbers
f88king dark and dangerous with plenty of blame to go round. especially as the opposition (labour) are so cr4p"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
ooermissus wrote:nweststeyn wrote:she failed to support an attempt to obliterate apartheid in South Africa
Thatcher writing to the President of South Africa: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any action you could undertake."
thats weak
on balance her presence probably prolonged apartheid. Its not that she was overtly in favour more that she was against the methods of opposition on geopolitical and neo-liberal economic grounds"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:on balance her presence probably prolonged apartheid. Its not that she was overtly in favour more that she was against the methods of opposition on geopolitical and neo-liberal economic grounds
I honestly don't think that's true. She pushed through agreement on Rhodesia shortly after taking office and then put consistent pressure on the South African regime. The outcome - Mandela free and a negotiated settlement - was very similar to the one she advocated.
She may not have agreed with sanctions but that is a position that also looks better in retrospect that it did at the time - look at how poorly sanctions performed in Iraq.
Not much to say for her record on Chile though.0 -
ooermissus wrote:mididoctors wrote:on balance her presence probably prolonged apartheid. Its not that she was overtly in favour more that she was against the methods of opposition on geopolitical and neo-liberal economic grounds
I honestly don't think that's true. She pushed through agreement on Rhodesia shortly after taking office and then put consistent pressure on the South African regime. The outcome - Mandela free and a negotiated settlement - was very similar to the one she advocated.
She may not have agreed with sanctions but that is a position that also looks better in retrospect that it did at the time - look at how poorly sanctions performed in Iraq.
Not much to say for her record on Chile though.
I think we will have to agree we disagree there.... my feeling is she painted herself into a corner on occasion by virtue of her own ideological priorities.
which is what I think happened with pinochet who bought favour during the falklands war?... the odd one out is gorbochev who wasn't identified as the transition figure he really was.
in a way she was very loyal to these characters and never thought to betray them for political gain or expediency. IE her loyalty to pinochet is some of the best proof of her much vaunted integrity... which is kinda of ironic.
I think in someways she was the conviction politician the fanbois paint her but more at the inter-personnel level than the ideological one, she disowned monetarism when it all went to f88k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuCt_ZdG18U"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
she didn't need pinochet anymore after the war...she could have stabbed him in the back."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
