Thatcher is Dead

mididoctors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s

Crapaud

Ken Loach weighs in ...

[url=http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/%E2%80%98ding-dong--the-witch-is-dead%E2%80%99-charts-after-thatcher-dies-101051208.html]Yahoo[/url] wrote:

... Director Ken Loach had a rather different take on Thatcher, calling for her funeral to be privatised, saying: "It's what she would've wanted".

He said: "Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid."

It made me larf

ooermissus

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.

Strith

ooermissus wrote:

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.

Whils I wouldn't normally laugh at anyones death, that made me chuckle. LOL

ballysmate

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

VTech wrote:

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

VTech wrote:

Mocking the dead is a sin.

A view you're entitled to be respected for, i'm sure - but I believe that hanging out with and offering political and personal support to dictators who tortured 30,000 of their own people, and murdered 3000 is an unbelievably more offensive sin. As is deciding to cold bloodedly destroy whole industries as a way of undermining trade union power - or actively encouraging the insecurity that comes with unemployment.

How did she do that ?
Trade unions killed off what was a dying industry that was not sustainable.
That's like saying the government destroy everyday businesses who fail because no one wants what they are offering.
Coal wasn't ended by thatcher, I don't think any strong minded person really believes that.

Vtech - the attack on the miners had nothing to do with the viability of an industry - it was vengeful attack because of what the miners did to the heath government. And they would have done the same to the thatcher government but for 2 faults - 1. scargill failled to call for a ballot and 2. the gutless notts miners.

If as team47b says you were 9 at the time then your position is understandable - if not then i can only give you a big

Emotive choice of words for the Notts miners, gutless. In the absence of a ballot, quite rightly, the blame for which, you lay at the feet of Scargill, they exercised their democratic right to go to work. You could argue that Scargill was gutless in failing to call the ballot, fearing he would not get the result he wished.
I think you are wrong about the viability of the mining industry, which has been discussed at length elsewhere.
I agree with you ref the support for Pinochet and can't defend that.

nathancom

Glad the hag is dead. I am not surprised that vtech person is a fan of hers.

She was a nasty little racist of a nasty racist party with nasty little englander views who always supported the strong and wealthy against the weak and the poor. She created an underclass in this country to provide cheap, unskilled, compliant labour for the businesses owned and run by her own social class.

She happily raised taxes and cut spending during a recession (rings any bells?) knowing full well that it this would lead to greater loss of jobs just to make sure inflation stayed low, protecting the assets of her own social class.

She was mean spirited and tried to create a country in her own image whether by the promise of wealth or by withdrawing the opportunity for dignified labour from millions of decent people. I am glad they fought her government.

VTech

nathancom wrote:

Glad the hag is dead. I am not surprised that vtech person is a fan of hers.

She was a nasty little racist of a nasty racist party with nasty little englander views who always supported the strong and wealthy against the weak and the poor. She created an underclass in this country to provide cheap, unskilled, compliant labour for the businesses owned and run by her own social class.

She happily raised taxes and cut spending during a recession (rings any bells?) knowing full well that it this would lead to greater loss of jobs just to make sure inflation stayed low, protecting the assets of her own social class.

She was mean spirited and tried to create a country in her own image whether by the promise of wealth or by withdrawing the opportunity for dignified labour from millions of decent people. I am glad they fought her government.

Maybe I'm the only one to speak my mind, joined in hand with the truth but you sir are two faced.

You call her racist then are racist towards englanders.
You moan at her for raising taxes and cutting spending durin a ressession which is what's needed. No one likes reality but we can't change it.

I'm surprised at your post, it has a lot of hatred within it but you have a great oil industry that was well supported and funded by Mrs Thatcher and the Tories and before you come back with more tripe, I also like some labour leaders and some policies, I never said I was Tory, just that I respected thatcher.
You could also argue that the oil industry was supported as it had a huge revenue stream but that's the same as many industries but when your getting your benefits passed from London and the youth are getting a better chance in university with less costs please don't knock the English.
We are a nation, together until agreed otherwise.

mididoctors

to be serious for one second... she wasn't as bad as blair thou more seminal. Blair was instrumental in inciting an illegal and badly run war that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of premature deaths

the current crop ...pffttt

mididoctors

VTech wrote:

I'm surprised at your post, it has a lot of hatred within it but you have a great oil industry that was well supported and funded by Mrs Thatcher and the Tories and before you come back with more tripe, I also like some labour leaders and some policies, I never said I was Tory, just that I respected thatcher.
You could also argue that the oil industry was supported as it had a huge revenue stream but that's the same as many industries but when your getting your benefits passed from London and the youth are getting a better chance in university with less costs please don't knock the English.
We are a nation, together until agreed otherwise.

North sea oil was squandered by tory policy

in effect it funded the welfare state that allowed the thatcher goverment to dismantle union power by creating a reserve pool of labour.

vast amounts of it were sold during recessionary times at the bottom of the market.. Our balance of payments issue is largely the result of geological depletion rather than some ideological battle.

nathancom

Where did I say anything racist about the English in my post? I said nothing other than the phrase 'nasty little englander' which is what she was, so you are making it up based on my location. I was born and bred in England, I am English. Assumptions make an Ass out of You. Maybe you want to check out the claims of Bob Carr, Australian foreign minister, about a conversation with her where she was "unabashedly racist".

Raising taxes and cutting spending during a recession were far from economic orthodoxy in 1981. I would check out Maynard Keynes on Wikipedia. By focusing only deflationary efforts with no interest in job creation or growth, millions were out of work who didn't need to be.

Oh and she deserves congratulations for encouraging development of North Sea Oil? Give us some details of her great achievements in this area. Did she personally create the oil deposits by the force of her will - the revenue was squandered by her anyway. It was government by Hyacinth Bucket and a disgrace that this government is trying to turn her into a saint when such a large proportion of the country hate her legacy so much.

finchy

VTech wrote:

You call her racist then are racist towards englanders.

:? :? :?: :?:

VTech

If I were to join ANY race, country, religion to a person directly it becomes racist by nature of comment.

The fact she was English has nothing to do with wether you liked her or not. That my friend, is my point.

I have no issue with people disliking her, I really dont.
My issue is speaking ill of the dead, she is gone, let it be.

finchy

"Little Englander" is not racist. It's a criticism of xenophobia, jingoism and parochialism. It's a bit like saying "Islamic fundamentalist", "white supremacist" or "Hindu nationalist" is a racist insult - they aren't, they're political positions.

ilm_zero7

VTech wrote:

If I were to join ANY race, country, religion to a person directly it becomes racist by nature of comment.

The fact she was English has nothing to do with wether you liked her or not. That my friend, is my point.

I have no issue with people disliking her, I really dont.
My issue is speaking ill of the dead, she is gone, let it be.

agree - we have seen the sad demise of english respect by those who celebrate someone who they personally hated, but was democratically elected op lead the country

VTech

johnfinch wrote:

"Little Englander" is not racist. It's a criticism of xenophobia, jingoism and parochialism. It's a bit like saying "Islamic fundamentalist", "white supremacist" or "Hindu nationalist" is a racist insult - they aren't, they're political positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander

"The term later designated people who were against the British Empire"

Little Englander is also, colloquially speaking, an epithet applied in criticisms of English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being "ignorant" and "boorish". It is sometimes applied to opponents of globalism; for instance those who are against membership of the European Union.

daviesee

Perfectly apt for Maggie then!

finchy

VTech wrote:

johnfinch wrote:

"Little Englander" is not racist. It's a criticism of xenophobia, jingoism and parochialism. It's a bit like saying "Islamic fundamentalist", "white supremacist" or "Hindu nationalist" is a racist insult - they aren't, they're political positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander

"The term later designated people who were against the British Empire"

Little Englander is also, colloquially speaking, an epithet applied in criticisms of English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being "ignorant" and "boorish". It is sometimes applied to opponents of globalism; for instance those who are against membership of the European Union.

I was referring to the modern-day usage, not the original definition.

VTech

My comments were aimed at nathancom really, his reply was spiteful and filled with anger/hatred, I realise others were tongue in cheek.

nathancom

The Wikipedia article you quote states:
"Little Englander is also, colloquially speaking, an epithet applied in criticisms of English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic"
As noted above this is an entirely apt description of Maggie, thanks for undermining your own claim that I was being racist...

I am not filled with rage and anger against Maggie, but am glad the old witch is gone. I also think it shows who this country is run for when she gets a ceremonial funeral paid for largely by us and attended by the Monarch, who has seen her funding rise from £31 mill to £36 mill since last year, a 16% increase.

The Tories have always governed only for the wealthiest but somehow they con half the country to vote for them. It is also notable that the attacks on Maggie's legacy deal in facts and events whereas her promoters have to resort to grandiloquent phrases like "The Greatest Post-War Prime Minister" as there is no basis in truth for their claims. All she was good at was fighting class warfare and destroying the lot of the working man so he could be enthralled by her social class.

Also you clearly attack Scotland for getting all it's money passed to it from London, then go on about how great North Sea Oil is. You realise that the Oil is all in Scottish waters don't you? I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland voted for independence because the North has been systematically starved of investment since Thatcher's day. There isn't even an unbroken dual carriageway linking Newcastle and Edinburgh, most of the journey being along single roads all the way. That wouldn't happen in the South.

VTech

I am not saying she was a great prime minister, I just feel it in poor taste to toast a death.

The queen deserves any increase, she brings in billions to the UK economy that otherwise would not be available, we would all be FAR POORER if the royal family were not here.

Mrs Thatcher also organised one of the greatest ever kickbacks from the EU in history, 75 billion and counting so a couple of millions is fair enough.

Having said that, she did NOT want this, she specifically requested a private burial ceremony, I have no idea why her wishes have been disregarded.

exlaser

ooermissus wrote:

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead has now made it to number 2 in the UK iTunes chart.

did my first ever download yesterday. it seemed a good time to start !

Lagrange

Do you think that at some time in history a member of her husbands line used to thatch roofs for a living?

ooermissus

VTech wrote:

Having said that, she did NOT want this, she specifically requested a private burial ceremony, I have no idea why her wishes have been disregarded.

Because they are not. She wanted a private cremation (not a burial) - which she is getting - and a ceremonial (not a state) funeral, which she is also getting. Or that's what unnamed 'friends' are reported as saying to the media. As she was senile for the last decade of her life, it's presumably hard to know for sure what she wanted.

VTech

Im sorry if im wrong, I took my info from the BBC interview with a close friend who said she didnt want a fuss and wanted to pass in the night so to speak. She felt she didnt deserve publicity at her end.

I think a private ceremony with friends and family would have been the best.

Frank the tank

Lagrange wrote:

Do you think that at some time in history a member of her husbands line used to thatch roofs for a living?

Nah! Cider makers fella.

Lagrange

Thankyou for that deep insight.

slowmart

So has anyone been filmed and made it onto tv celebrating Thatchers death?

The was one overweight victim of Thatcher who blamed Maggie for being poor and lack of oppurtunities? She seemed quite successful at eating though? Now doubt she waddled off somewhere like Greggs to consume some more calories and keep on protesting and celebrating. That was the re occuring theme, losers celebrating.

There seems some really screwed up individuals on here and elsewhere that could have led a much better lives than have hatred and animosity consume them.

From a daughter of a grocer to PM elected on three separate occasions.

Thatcher, Love her, hate her; always remembered wa sone of the more memorable leads in the press. Which sums up the situation perfectly

Stevo_666

nathancom wrote:

Glad the hag is dead. I am not surprised that vtech person is a fan of hers.

She was a nasty little racist of a nasty racist party with nasty little englander views who always supported the strong and wealthy against the weak and the poor. She created an underclass in this country to provide cheap, unskilled, compliant labour for the businesses owned and run by her own social class.

She happily raised taxes and cut spending during a recession (rings any bells?) knowing full well that it this would lead to greater loss of jobs just to make sure inflation stayed low, protecting the assets of her own social class.

She was mean spirited and tried to create a country in her own image whether by the promise of wealth or by withdrawing the opportunity for dignified labour from millions of decent people. I am glad they fought her government.

Blimey, that is bitter socialism epitomised. BTW what do you think 'her own social class' was, given that she was a greengrocers daughter from Grantham?

I think it's quite amusing that in the 34 years since she became PM and 23 years after leaving the job, she still manages to rile millions of lefties and will carry on doing so from the grave. For that alone, she deserves a f****g medal

VTech

The thing about people who speak from the heart is that you know where you stand with them.
You don't have to worry that they are shaking you by the one hand whilst stabbing you in the back with the other.
For that reason you can't help but praise the woman.

Cleat Eastwood

VTech wrote:

The thing about people who speak from the heart is that you know where you stand with them.
You don't have to worry that they are shaking you by the one hand whilst stabbing you in the back with the other.
For that reason you can't help but praise the woman.

Indeed she was a very noble woman who did not lie, who would not dream of stabbing you in the back, let alone letting you drown to further her popularity.