Any Oenophile's here ?

VTech

If indeed "That" were true, you would notice the same few people on almost all of my posts, posting the same old tripe.
On the other hand, you have never, not will you ever see me follow them.

My post was about a love of wine, it didnt need to turn out like this and in fact went sour (pun) AFTER said humanoid intervened as normal.

Frank the tank

VTech wrote:

If indeed "That" were true, you would notice the same few people on almost all of my posts, posting the same old tripe.
On the other hand, you have never, not will you ever see me follow them.

My post was about a love of wine, it didnt need to turn out like this and in fact went sour (pun) AFTER said humanoid intervened as normal.

Don't be so precious fella, you cant help being a rich b@st@rd. Oh but then again you can that's why you're a rich b@st@rd.

cornerblock

EKIMIKE

The alternative view would be that it's hard to avoid your odious manner.

FWIW i don't hate you (unlike some individuals who went to the trouble of finding out your name and work place). I just find it amusing to engage with what you say. You can't see the funny side - and that, sir, is the amusing part.

VTech

I struggle to see the funny side about anyone who has lacking compassion, I cant get my head around that, never been able too. Also, id struggle to find anyone who hates me, it would be too much effort and I would genuinely offer support to anyone in that position. Life is way too short, too precious to waste time on hating.

EKIMIKE

Did you miss the bit where I said:

EKIMIKE wrote:

FWIW i don't hate you

???

Also, struggling to gauge the reference to compassion? What is your reference point?

VTech

I wasnt referring to this post, moreover the one where you came into my post about the young family shafted by BA this morning, we all know they made a mistake, its actually bothered me all day as they struggled to pay and compassion for me rules. In some cases people dont need to be told they have been silly, the harsh reality is enough punishment.

Frank the tank

VTech wrote:

I struggle to see the funny side about anyone who has lacking compassion, I cant get my head around that, never been able too. Also, id struggle to find anyone who hates me, it would be too much effort and I would genuinely offer support to anyone in that position. Life is way too short, too precious to waste time on hating.

At risk to myself of being classed as one of the "playground bullies" my observation of this post by Vtech ( to whom I'm ambivalent) If you post on a cycling forum about investing in wine and talking about it paying for a childs education some will pigeonhole you and draw certain conclusions (rightly/wrongly) about you and may post replies you may be offended by.

EKIMIKE

Sorry, let me get this straight - you're evaluating whether I am a compassionate person on the basis of a post on an internet forum about trivial issue relating to airline fees. Do you realise how ridiculous that is.

Even if we assume that character evaluation-by-isolated-forum-post is reasonable you could forgive me for lacking compassion for someone who is charged for breaching a condition that was clearly brought to their attention and easy to comply with. Further it is difficult to have compassion for the context - I tend to show compassion towards those who encounter genuine adversity. Frankly anyone who is flying, to go on a holiday abroad, using British Airways, is not going to be suffering genuine financial adversity.

VTech

It was a legitimate point, many people waste money buying kids toys that they neither need nor want. I was guilt, my eldest got loads of plastic crap from china that is no longer with us. Friends and family buy the same, you end up having to throw it out which is wasteful.
I decided to buy my second and third a painting on their birth and then a 6 case of Lafite at each birthday. Odd to some but returns will almost certainly mean that education will be covered. I cant see the negative in posting about this, I am very confident many people here spend the same money on the same crap and eventually question the mentality of it. Given the option (hindsight) I am also confident they would have preferred to have invested much of the wasted money in the future of the kids.

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

Sorry, let me get this straight - you're evaluating whether I am a compassionate person on the basis of a post on an internet forum about trivial issue relating to airline fees. Do you realise how ridiculous that is.

Even if we assume that character evaluation-by-isolated-forum-post is reasonable you could forgive me for lacking compassion for someone who is charged for breaching a condition that was clearly brought to their attention and easy to comply with. Further it is difficult to have compassion for the context - I tend to show compassion towards those who encounter genuine adversity. Frankly anyone who is flying, using British Airways, is not going to be suffering genuine financial adversity.

Cost of the return ticket was £91, not exactly emirates 1st !
Also, there is no where on the ticket that suggests that a 1.5kg extra would cost £141, im not sure it says that on the site either.
This is clearly going too far, I made a genuine, heart felt post about the issue surrounding a family of whom I felt dearly for this morning who were without any doubt overcharged as a punishment for a simple mistake. It didnt need such ridicule, likewise with this wine post, It seems ive had to defend what in fact was a simple post about a nice topic for some.

EKIMIKE

VTech wrote:

Cost of the return ticket was £91, not exactly emirates 1st !

Is that your barometer for compassion?

Again you are evidently consumed by money and materialism and consumer status when you make your judgements. Consider the fact that many families cannot afford a holiday let alone one abroad, let alone using a non-budget airline, let alone long enough to require a suitcase packed in excess of the airline limit. That is more like my barometer of compassion.

VTech wrote:

It didnt need such ridicule

There is no ridicule in that thread. Certainly I have not ridiculed the situation. I have made reasonable observations as to why such a dis-proportionate penalty is being used.

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

VTech wrote:

Cost of the return ticket was £91, not exactly emirates 1st !

Is that your barometer for compassion?

Again you are evidently consumed by money and materialism and consumer status when you make your judgements. Consider the fact that many families cannot afford a holiday let alone one abroad, let alone using a non-budget airline, let alone long enough to require a suitcase packed in excess of the airline limit. That is more like my barometer of compassion.

VTech wrote:

It didnt need such ridicule

There is no ridicule in that thread. Certainly I have not ridiculed the situation. I have made reasonable observations as to why such a dis-proportionate penalty is being used.

The ticket price posted in reply to someone else thinking that due to flying BA the passengers could afford high fines.
Families not often being able to take yearly holidays from national statistics posted online.
Case packed to the limit as they had kids, kids don't get a case with BA although you pay around 80% for a ticket, so yes, it is wrong, it shouldnt be such a high cost and the fact you agree with it means little more than my comment earlier.

team47b

VTech, try posting something that is not about materialism/money and see what happens, could be the content that is causing antagonism or maybe some other trait...

VTech

team47b wrote:

VTech, try posting something that is not about materialism/money and see what happens, could be the content that is causing antagonism or maybe some other trait...

I did, and the very same people jumped in as always.
Maybe some of you should listen to me, I post good advice and am not even charging for it.

BTW, every post about bikes is materialistic.

EKIMIKE

HAHAHAHA. "Not even charging for it"!

I hope that was a joke?! (It clearly wasn't) If so, where was the laughing or winking smiley?

Go on, how much would you charge us in your odious money-obsessed little fantasy?

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

HAHAHAHA. "Not even charging for it"!

I hope that was a joke?! (It clearly wasn't) If so, where was the laughing or winking smiley?

Im deadly serious, dont buy the kids tat that breaks and they dont need and invest in things that will aid them later. When anyone with half a brain thinks about it, it makes sense.
Yes, buy them toys but what kid needs hundreds of toys at xmas ?
Better to get them a few things that they will like and either save the money in a child investment bond or do something similar to what I have done.

I know im going to get ridiculed but you all know im right ! (no smilie)

EKIMIKE

Your mistake is to assume we're all as disgracefully obsessed with money, possessions and consumer status as you are. You said it yourself - you bought your first kid a tonne of rubbish. Don't make the mistake of judging us according to your own lowly state of mind.

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

Your mistake is to assume we're all as disgracefully obsessed with money, possessions and consumer status as you are. You said it yourself - you bought your first kid a tonne of rubbish. Don't make the mistake of judging us according to your own lowly state of mind.

I never judged anyone, my words were in general and I am sure even you can agree (although most likely will argue) that people IN GENERAL waste money on kids and given the value of hindsight would rather have invested than wasted.
I never aimed that comment at anyone, you assumed that.

EKIMIKE

Yes you did. You said some of us should listen to you. Which implies that you have judged us to have some kind of knowledge deficit in relation to yourself.

Yoooouuuu disgust me

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

Yes you did. You said some of us should listen to you. Which implies that you have judged us to have some kind of knowledge deficit in relation to yourself.

Yoooouuuu disgust me

Ask people, make a post asking people who they think is right.
If honesty prevails you will look like the fool you are.
Download e-myth, listen to the man, it may assist you in life and stop your bitterness.

EKIMIKE

Bitter? You are bitter that I made a joke at the expense of your lovely wine thread. You also seem bitter that you cannot charge us for your supposedly novel and invaluable advice.

Bitter...

VTech

EKIMIKE wrote:

Bitter? You are bitter that I made a joke at the expense of your lovely wine thread. You also seem bitter that you cannot charge us for your supposedly novel and invaluable advice.

Bitter...

Im not bitter, I dont need your money, I thought you knew that.
Anyway, im off to a lapdancing bar, I have a few 20's that need throwing.

EKIMIKE

VTech wrote:

Ask people, make a post asking people who they think is right.

Sorry, i'm not that self-interested. By all means, proceed...

EKIMIKE

VTech wrote:

Anyway, im off to a lapdancing bar, I have a few 20's that need throwing.

Nice joke dude.

team47b

VTech wrote:

team47b wrote:

VTech, try posting something that is not about materialism/money and see what happens, could be the content that is causing antagonism or maybe some other trait...

I did, and the very same people jumped in as always.
Maybe some of you should listen to me, I post good advice and am not even charging for it.

BTW, every post about bikes is materialistic.

What I meant was not to mention money in every comment and try and avoid making remarks that are antagonistic as you have in your reply to me

team47b

Oh go on try it, just one reply without the word money in it :roll:

EKIMIKE

arthur_scrimshaw

team47b wrote:

VTech wrote:

team47b wrote:

VTech, try posting something that is not about materialism/money and see what happens, could be the content that is causing antagonism or maybe some other trait...

I did, and the very same people jumped in as always.
Maybe some of you should listen to me, I post good advice and am not even charging for it.

BTW, every post about bikes is materialistic.

What I meant was not to mention money in every comment and try and avoid making remarks that are antagonistic as you have in your reply to me

To be fair to VTech, I don't think every post he makes is directly about money, more indirectly in that he likes to drop in references to his lifestyle which is perhaps more affluent than the average? His robust and tenacious posting style to perceived and actual critical comments about this and his life priorities are perhaps why he is where he is today?
Oh and I'm not defending him (not that he needs this) nor am I in a similar situation (wealth wise) - it just doesn't bother me that much as my priorities are rather different.

EKIMIKE

In the spirit of diplomacy I will make it clear that I am un-bothered as to VTech's personal financial status i'm just trolling his attitude towards money, material possessions and consumer status. Guilty as charged.