It's Official Schleck Brothers Suck

DeadCalm · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Come on boys, play fair - it's not about how tall you are but how proportioned your limbs/body are/is

Lets not be silly about this (again).

I almost fell off the chair on this one -- an instant classic.

Not only do the Schleck brothers suck, but their supporters on this forum (as evidenced by the above) are clearly operating in the dull to normal range.

This thread is like Dennis' mind -- scary and empty, yet so pious.

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.

QED

No agenda here. This is a genuine question from someone who is a relative noob. Theoretically shouldn't Schleck be able to compensate for his body shape with his bike set-up to get that flat back? I'd assumed it was a question of flexibility and comfort rather than ratios. Sorry if I'm being naive.

ddraver · May 2012

We need that yawn smiley super fast Rick!

Again, Bernie/cogi - if it was that simple, they'd have one it. Their TT position works well enough to make them Two of the top GC contenders in the world. Unfortunately there are people (well, one person in particular) who are just better.

Dude above - TT position is a balance between Aerodynamics and power. It's aero to have your hands as low as possible, your and low and your legs angled back like a motorbike rider, but no one can breathe/pedal like that.

dennisn · May 2012

Coriander wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Come on boys, play fair - it's not about how tall you are but how proportioned your limbs/body are/is

Lets not be silly about this (again).

I almost fell off the chair on this one -- an instant classic.

Not only do the Schleck brothers suck, but their supporters on this forum (as evidenced by the above) are clearly operating in the dull to normal range.

This thread is like Dennis' mind -- scary and empty, yet so pious.

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.

QED

* For the uninitiated, the cornflake box game involves everyone, one at a time, making an attempt to pick a cornflake box off the floor with their mouth while only the soles of their feet are touching the ground. After each round an inch is ripped off the box to make it shorter and all those who failed on their previous attempt retire from the game. Oh, it's an exciting life I lead...

Oh, and PS - I know nothing about TT positioning or technique.

Big deal, so what if some cyclist can or can't TT. Now, learning the cornflakes box game, that was a new one on me. Thanx

DeadCalm · May 2012

ddraver wrote:

Dude above - TT position is a balance between Aerodynamics and power. It's aero to have your hands as low as possible, your and low and your legs angled back like a motorbike rider, but no one can breathe/pedal like that.

That makes sense. Thank you.

ddraver · May 2012

It's a very good game after a few beers Dennis - especially if you get two bendy girls duking it out at the end

(no offence Coriander, I'm sure all the girls love watching you bend!

)

EDIT - Godam - wat is wong wih m kybrd?!?

Coriander · May 2012

ddraver wrote:

It's a very good game after a few beers Dennis - especially if you get two bendy girls duking it out at the end

(no offence Coriander, I'm sure all the girls love watching you bend! )

EDIT - Godam - wat is wong wih m kybrd?!?

Yeah, they probably would if all my female friends were lesbians.

ddraver · May 2012

for ddraver.... :oops:

dennisn · May 2012

ddraver wrote:

It's a very good game after a few beers Dennis - especially if you get two bendy girls duking it out at the end

(no offence Coriander, I'm sure all the girls love watching you bend! )

EDIT - Godam - wat is wong wih m kybrd?!?

Well, I do like bendy girls. Lots more than someone who can time trial.

Anonymous · May 2012

Coriander wrote:

Though while we're having a moan about the Schlecks, I did find it less than impressive that, knowing TTs are not their strong point and knowing how close things were last year, they didn't recce the course last year. Seemed rather lame and rather uninterested in doing as well as possible.

They did recce it. They came around early in the morning, trying to hang onto Cancellara's back wheel.

rick_chasey · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Come on boys, play fair - it's not about how tall you are but how proportioned your limbs/body are/is

Lets not be silly about this (again).

I almost fell off the chair on this one -- an instant classic.

Not only do the Schleck brothers suck, but their supporters on this forum (as evidenced by the above) are clearly operating in the dull to normal range.

This thread is like Dennis' mind -- scary and empty, yet so pious.

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.

QED

Infograms FTW.

Tempted to make it a forum rule - a well crafted infogram wins any argument

.

rick_chasey · May 2012

Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?

I say this, as if no-one's thought of it before. That Dutch documentary on Schleck's 2011 shows how much work he did do in the TT. It's not that straightforward.

Jez mon · May 2012

Rick Chasey wrote:

Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?

I say this, as if no-one's thought of it before. That Dutch documentary on Schleck's 2011 shows how much work he did do in the TT. It's not that straightforward.

Exactly. What loads of posters are ignoring is that a good TT position isn't necessarily about getting as aero as possible. It's about getting as aero as possible, whilst still being able to control the bike, put the power down and be comfortable (for want of a better word) for an hour.

Having said that, Andy doesn't ever seem to look comfortable/used to his TT position, and a bit of TT specific training might go towards rectifying that...

dennisn · May 2012

Rick Chasey wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Come on boys, play fair - it's not about how tall you are but how proportioned your limbs/body are/is

Lets not be silly about this (again).

I almost fell off the chair on this one -- an instant classic.

Not only do the Schleck brothers suck, but their supporters on this forum (as evidenced by the above) are clearly operating in the dull to normal range.

This thread is like Dennis' mind -- scary and empty, yet so pious.

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.

QED

Infograms FTW.

Tempted to make it a forum rule - a well crafted infogram wins any argument .

+1, not sure what this picture proves or disproves. Interesting, but once again, what does it prove / disprove?

RichN95. · May 2012

dennisn wrote:

+1, not sure what this picture proves or disproves. Interesting, but once again, what does it prove / disprove?

It shows that some people fit on TT bikes better than others.

dennisn · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

dennisn wrote:

+1, not sure what this picture proves or disproves. Interesting, but once again, what does it prove / disprove?

It shows that some people fit on TT bikes better than others.

OK, I'll bite. How does it PROVE this? How does it PROVE anything? :? :?

Bakunin · May 2012

It doesn't prove anything, but it is funny that someone went to the trouble to put it together. And it looks cool.

As such, the Andy Schleck forum warriors win --even though Andy doesn't "fit" on his TT bike, he doesn't suck. The QED designation at the bottom -- ends all debate.

The fact that he has never won a stage race remains an irrelevancy.

sherer · May 2012

how can the Schlecks suck anyway as that is just a stupid American phrase. Surly they would be rubbish or useless or some other English phrase

rick_chasey · May 2012

Bakunin wrote:

The fact that he has never won a stage race remains an irrelevancy.

He won the Tour. The bloke who beat him that year on the road tested positive.

Part of the rules of winning is that you pass all the dope tests - just like the rule that you have to complete the course in its entirety, etc etc.

josame · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

josame wrote:

I'll stand by my point thanks one or two attacks a year does not a 'daring/attacking' rider make... but with 13k+ posts to your name I won't take up anymore of your time (it must be precious )

If you're going to insult someone on the basis of their post count, at least read the right number. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Ha I think that proves my point - when I started to write my comment he was on 13k - I had to leave it a few moments ...and then he broke the 14k mark

'Idiot' cmon - this isn't the school yard.

RichN95. · May 2012

josame wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

josame wrote:

I'll stand by my point thanks one or two attacks a year does not a 'daring/attacking' rider make... but with 13k+ posts to your name I won't take up anymore of your time (it must be precious )

If you're going to insult someone on the basis of their post count, at least read the right number. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Ha I think that proves my point - when I started to write my comment he was on 13k - I had to leave it a few moments ...and then he broke the 14k mark

'Idiot' cmon - this isn't school.

You were replying to me. I have about 6000 posts.

josame · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

josame wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

josame wrote:

I'll stand by my point thanks one or two attacks a year does not a 'daring/attacking' rider make... but with 13k+ posts to your name I won't take up anymore of your time (it must be precious )

If you're going to insult someone on the basis of their post count, at least read the right number. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Ha I think that proves my point - when I started to write my comment he was on 13k - I had to leave it a few moments ...and then he broke the 14k mark

'Idiot' cmon - this isn't school
You were replying to me. I have about 6000 posts.

Uh huh... to you, but not about you... thanks for the update tho.

knedlicky · May 2012

RichN95 wrote:

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.QED

Rick Chasey wrote:

Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?

Or longer stem?

And to get his bum higher, to higher his seat.

And then, so he doesn’t overstretch his legs, to purchase a pair of platform racing shoes.

rick_chasey · May 2012

knedlicky wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.

As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.QED

Rick Chasey wrote:

Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?

Or longer stem?

Aren't there rules about how far forward your elbows are allowed to be over the headset?

frenchfighter · May 2012

Think this thread needs to be wrapped up frankly.

'Its Official: This Thread Suck'

Bakunin · May 2012

Rick Chasey wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

The fact that he has never won a stage race remains an irrelevancy.

He won the Tour. The bloke who beat him that year on the road tested positive.

Part of the rules of winning is that you pass all the dope tests - just like the rule that you have to complete the course in its entirety, etc etc.

Please -- now you're just being ridiculous.

Andy and Óscar Pereiro won the Tour -- that's like saying the Americans won in Vietnam.

rick_chasey · May 2012

Bakunin wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Bakunin wrote:

The fact that he has never won a stage race remains an irrelevancy.

He won the Tour. The bloke who beat him that year on the road tested positive.

Part of the rules of winning is that you pass all the dope tests - just like the rule that you have to complete the course in its entirety, etc etc.

Please -- now you're just being ridiculous.

Andy and Óscar Pereiro won the Tour -- that's like saying the Americans won in Vietnam.

Bakunin · May 2012

Addlepate, pure addlepate.

mroli · May 2012

Coriander wrote:

For the uninitiated, the cornflake box game involves everyone, one at a time, making an attempt to pick a cornflake box off the floor with their mouth while only the soles of their feet are touching the ground. After each round an inch is ripped off the box to make it shorter and all those who failed on their previous attempt retire from the game.

I once knew a girl who could pick a penny off the flour this way. She was incredible, but was rubbish at riding a bike.

I'm not sure how this relates to Andy S or if this relates to the name calling above...

Pross · May 2012

Looking at Rich's comparison picture Andy is about as low as he would be on the drops of a standard road bike!

Pross · May 2012

By the way, I don't agree that he 'sucks' and think he could really light up the mountain stages this year as he did in the Alps last year and tried to do when he lost his chain in 2010. He just doesn't come across as someone who takes his job very seriously and has stumbled into it on natural ability alone. I doubt that's the reality but it's the aura he gives.

It's Official Schleck Brothers Suck

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