It's Official Schleck Brothers Suck
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Rick Chasey wrote:knedlicky wrote:RichN95 wrote:Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.
As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.QED
Or longer stem?Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?
Aren't there rules about how far forward your elbows are allowed to be over the headset?
Be interesting to get Jeff Jones expert opinion on this.
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I use CDG more.Rick Chasey wrote:Bakunin wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Bakunin wrote:
The fact that he has never won a stage race remains an irrelevancy.
He won the Tour. The bloke who beat him that year on the road tested positive.
Part of the rules of winning is that you pass all the dope tests - just like the rule that you have to complete the course in its entirety, etc etc.
Please -- now you're just being ridiculous.
Andy and Óscar Pereiro won the Tour -- that's like saying the Americans won in Vietnam.
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Here I am!TailWindHome wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:knedlicky wrote:RichN95 wrote:Have a look at this picture. Feel free to do the measurements yourself.
As you can see, relative to his torso, Wiggins not only has longer legs than Schleck, meaning he can get his bum higher, but also , more importantly, relatively shorter forearms, meaning he can get his shoulders lower.QED
Or longer stem?Rick Chasey wrote:Anyway, re that diagram - would Schleck not benefit from a longer top tube?
Aren't there rules about how far forward your elbows are allowed to be over the headset?
Be interesting to get Jeff Jones expert opinion on this.
I tried PMing him but he doesn't exist anymore.(???)
The seemingly obvious thing from looking at the pic is that Schleck could get a bit lower. But he may have tested that in the tunnel and not found much in the way of aero gains, so opted for the more comfortable higher position. I said seemingly as because from photos you can really only see if anything's grossly wrong. Subtleties have to be tested.
I suspect - and I could be wrong about this - the Schlecks' main problem is how motivated they are to improve against the clock. That drive has to come from within as there's only so much an outsider can do. Look at all the top time triallists and you can be sure that all of them have spent years refining their position, worked out what makes them fast and importantly, how they can keep improving.
I've also noticed some riders who've just got lucky but then veered off the path (changed bikes, moved something) and gone slower. In my experience, the tiniest changes can have a large effect on your aerodynamics. A lot of cyclists don't get this.Jeff Jones
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Rick Chasey wrote:
So should the title of this thread be changed to "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France"0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
So should the title of this thread be changed to "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France"
hahaha...more like "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France but not really"0 -
cycling5280 wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
So should the title of this thread be changed to "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France"
hahaha...more like "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France but not really"
*shrugs* ASO own the race & set the rules and they're saying Schlecky boy won.
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cycling5280 wrote:hahaha...more like "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France but not really"
Err, yes he did. Did you not watch the Sporza video? They gave him a yellow jumper to prove it!0 -
Not just any yellow jumper, but a 2012-style Coq Sportif yellow jumper!
I guess all the 2010 ones had already been given out.0 -
TimB34 wrote:Not just any yellow jumper, but a 2012-style Coq Sportif yellow jumper!
I guess all the 2010 ones had already been given out.
They should have tried All 4 Cycling, they still have them.
http://www.all4cycling.com/shop/tour-fr ... th=757_6550 -
greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:hahaha...more like "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France but not really"
Err, yes he did. Did you not watch the Sporza video? They gave him a yellow jumper to prove it!
Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.0 -
cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
*What's going on here, have I turned into DennisN? Hold on, I'm sure I can do better!*
Has he told YOU that?0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
He told the world. Last sentence.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... 1r2do.html
"If now I am declared overall winner of the 2010 Tour de France it will not make me happy. I battled with Contador in that race and I lost. My goal is to win the Tour de France in a sportive way, being the best of all competitors, not in court. If I succeed this year, I will consider it as my first Tour victory."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... z1wHEBh9k50 -
greasedscotsman wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
*What's going on here, have I turned into DennisN? Hold on, I'm sure I can do better!*
Has he told YOU that?
He told THE WORLD.
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cycling5280 wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
*What's going on here, have I turned into DennisN? Hold on, I'm sure I can do better!*
Has he told YOU that?
He told THE WORLD.
But haven't you said he's a moron / fool. So why should Andy's opinion on this count for anything? ASO says he won. The record books will say he won.
Here's a question, if he objects so much, why didn't he decline and say he'd prefer not to accept the jersey, if he felt so strongly about it?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:cycling5280 wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
*What's going on here, have I turned into DennisN? Hold on, I'm sure I can do better!*
Has he told YOU that?
He told THE WORLD.
But haven't you said he's a moron / fool. So why should Andy's opinion on this count for anything? ASO says he won. The record books will say he won.
Here's a question, if he objects so much, why didn't he decline and say he'd prefer not to accept the jersey, if he felt so strongly about it?
Ask him, he said it. The answer to your question, he's not that big of a fool/moron to completely disrespect the ASO. Of course he's going to take the jersey but like HE said, it doesn't count.0 -
cycling5280 wrote:He told the world. Last sentence.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... 1r2do.html
"If now I am declared overall winner of the 2010 Tour de France it will not make me happy. I battled with Contador in that race and I lost. My goal is to win the Tour de France in a sportive way, being the best of all competitors, not in court. If I succeed this year, I will consider it as my first Tour victory."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... z1wHEBh9k5
OK, fair play, you obviously know more about the Schlecks than I do. I'll put you down on the BR Fanboi list as their Superfan!0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:He told the world. Last sentence.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... 1r2do.html
"If now I am declared overall winner of the 2010 Tour de France it will not make me happy. I battled with Contador in that race and I lost. My goal is to win the Tour de France in a sportive way, being the best of all competitors, not in court. If I succeed this year, I will consider it as my first Tour victory."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-h ... z1wHEBh9k5
OK, fair play, you obviously know more about the Schlecks than I do. I'll put you down on the BR Fanboi list as their Superfan!
Haha...only if they whine and drop out of the Tour.0 -
cycling5280 wrote:Haha...only if they whine and drop out of the Tour.
Well, they will, won't they? That's what you've said they will do. But did you say they would drop out of the Tour, I can't remember.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Haha...only if they whine and drop out of the Tour.
Well, they will, won't they? That's what you've said they will do. But did you say they would drop out of the Tour, I can't remember.
Frank might but then again only if Andy does. It doesn't make sense to drop out and make Andy unhappy. I'd tell them both to hang in there for second place again because who knows maybe they'll win again in the courtroom and WIN AGAIN!!!0 -
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In case you missed it earlier today. ASO presentation to give Andy the jersey for last year.
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greasedscotsman wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:cycling5280 wrote:Even Andy knows deep down inside he didn't win it. He won it in the courtroom, not on the road.
Has he told you that?
*What's going on here, have I turned into DennisN? Hold on, I'm sure I can do better!*
Has he told YOU that?
Good man. YOU can do better.
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Can those brothers not do anything without each other? I assume Frank was there to help Andy get dressed...0
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cycling5280 wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
So should the title of this thread be changed to "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France"
hahaha...more like "It's Offical, Andy Schleck has won the Tour de France but not really"
Yes and I refuse to recognise Henri Cornet as a Tour de France winner.
Who cares if Garin took a train?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
