New Orange for 2012

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  • stuisnew
    stuisnew Posts: 366
    Read this thread, come barck a few days later and still going strong :D
  • Kaise
    Kaise Posts: 2,498
    has everyone on this thread lost there minds?

    :shock:
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    dubmodder wrote:
    Whats all that about?!

    Jeezo. It's about you assuming that since Supersonic had a bad word to say about the Five, he must not have ridden one.

    Though it's pretty interesting to find out that it's just you seeing your own failings in everyone else. Don't worry though, not everyone is like that.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • DirtMonkee
    DirtMonkee Posts: 373
    haha, great thread.

    As a fellow orange user I have to admit price is steep but bikes perform as they should and I would buy another.

    I think orange know they have a cult like following....
    Elmo is my dad
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    dubmodder wrote:
    That pisses me off more I can tell you.
    I bet I'm more pissed off than you are.

    I bet you'v enever even been ridden by me, how could you possibly KNOW what pissed off means?
  • dubmodder
    dubmodder Posts: 100
    Northwind you are bringing the "I've got a chip on my shoulder" attitude of STW over onto these lovely forums. Please calm down.

    Remove Supersonic from the list of people that haven't ridden one but have decided they are crap, insert your name instead.

    Yeehaa you are one crazy mofo!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Northwind is bang on the money though. And he knows what angry means, since I've ridden him. He doesn't know it, mind. The beauty of cloroform.
  • dubmodder
    dubmodder Posts: 100
    I would say he is way off the mark.

    I prefer rohypnol, thats what I'm going to use on him.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    dubmodder wrote:
    Remove Supersonic from the list of people that haven't ridden one but have decided they are crap, insert your name instead.

    Genius... Why do you think I've never ridden a Five? This is exactly what I'm criticising you for and in response, you do it again! Telling me I've got a chip on my shoulder amidst all of this is pretty funny when it's obvious you've got a bit of a problem.

    But the icing on the cake, for me, is that you think I've "decided they are crap". I like Fives.

    I just don't like hypocritical fanbois.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • dubmodder
    dubmodder Posts: 100
    I just don't like hypocritical fanbois.

    Which I'm not.

    So now we are friends, can I ride you without using the rohypnol?
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    Do you just not understand what hypocrite means? Hang on, here's a nice example I read earlier:
    dubmodder wrote:
    I used to say exactly the same things, even argued on forums about how the Five was over priced, too heavy, single pivot, blah blah blah. A few years later I rode one, now I own one.
    dubmodder wrote:
    Also there are people on here with "opinions" of them that haven't even sat on one, let alone ridden one!That pisses me off more I can tell you.


    FWIW, Yeehaa's got nowt to be proud of... See, even with the Tintin-style knockout drugs, your victim should be at least aware they've been stealthily buttsecksed the next morning. Bit of discomfort at least. If he can make his escape without the victim even suspecting, then I reckon he must have a knob the size of a cadbury's chocolate finger.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    :lol::lol::lol:
    This thread has taken an interesting turn!
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    B'Twin Triban 5
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    edited August 2011
    Either that, or he has a massive one and I have an ar$ehole the size of the dartford tunnel
    Uncompromising extremist
  • dubmodder
    dubmodder Posts: 100
    So we aren't friends then?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Well of course I do. If I was normally proportioned, I wouldn't have to use my unconventional methods :cry:



    :lol:
  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Well of course I do. If I was normally proportioned, I wouldn't have to use my unconventional methods :cry:



    :lol:
    Unconventional? :shock: I thought everyone used chloroform?....
    Production Privee Shan

    B'Twin Triban 5
  • getonyourbike
    getonyourbike Posts: 2,648
    This thread has suddenly become funny because of dubmodder's series of fails and also the mighty yeeha! :lol:
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Of course, it could also be said that northwind didn't feel a thing because he is Scotland's biggest ar*ehole. :lol:
  • Squarepants
    Squarepants Posts: 1,019
    dubmodder wrote:
    I used to say exactly the same things, even argued on forums about how the Five was over priced, too heavy, single pivot, blah blah blah. A few years later I rode one, now I own one.
    dubmodder wrote:
    Also there are people on here with "opinions" of them that haven't even sat on one, let alone ridden one!That pisses me off more I can tell you.

    Ohh :shock: that is rather damning isn't it. Can't see him getting out of that one without moving..

    I want to ride an Orange 5
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    Squarepants wrote:
    It's not that I'm over over biked, my bike is under personed...
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    I'll ride you in a minute.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Of course, it could also be said that northwind didn't feel a thing because he is Scotland's biggest ar*ehole. :lol:

    Aye, that it could
    Uncompromising extremist
  • Squarepants
    Squarepants Posts: 1,019
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    I'll ride you in a minute.

    th_whip.gif

    I blame Ben for all this. Let's get 'im...
    Cube Hanzz Pro FR
    Squarepants wrote:
    It's not that I'm over over biked, my bike is under personed...
  • Kaise
    Kaise Posts: 2,498
    there are only 3 entities i can think of to blame for this:

    Fabian2, Wiggle and Steve Jobs

    :D
    :)Ragley Blue Pig
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    WIGGLE

    Time to do the wiggle jiggle.

    agdance2.gif
  • Kaise
    Kaise Posts: 2,498
    is that what they are sending out instead of haribo these days?!

    :)
    :)Ragley Blue Pig
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Only if you've been good.
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    but have decided they are crap

    But I've not said that!

    I get why people like them. Same with my Zaskar - I like it, loads don't for many reasons. I don't go proclaiming that until you have ridden one you will be converted etc, and that it has special angles that cost money.

    Well actually, I do think the 5 is crap, but hey ho ;-)

    But I always appreciate people who say they have tested a bike and it is the bike for them. I repsect that.
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  • angry_bird
    angry_bird Posts: 3,787
    I like the way the 5 looks.

    I don't like the price, neither do I like the spec of some of their bikes.

    I didn't like the first couple I rode, but I did really like the last one I rode.

    I wouldn't buy one though. My brain tells me it would be stupid.
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  • benpinnick
    benpinnick Posts: 4,148
    So... back on topic. I started 'project Five Bar Gate' last night. The normal course of action in such matters, when needing to acquire a bike would be simply to go and buy one. I have found that effective in many occasions previously where I need a bike through lack of one, or simply mouthing off about how the bike in question is crap, and then having to rise to a challenge.

    However, since Mrs P decided she needed a bigger garden, which had to come attached to a bigger house so that Jnr P could have more space to spread all her stuff about, cash is a little tight for ooooh, say the next lifetime, so I decided against the straight purchase route. I did think to myself that I should at least look at what it would have cost me to buy one before calling my buddy Chris from our local Orange dealer and borrowing a demo for the day.

    So, I specced up a Five Pro with as close as I could get to what I currently have on my Blur LT, and the price was...

    £3541.99!!

    Bear in mind that this bike still has a mainly SLX drivetrain, dodgy hope brakes, and some Race Face OEM nonsense too:

    Five Pro
    RRP £3,541.99
    Sizes 17"
    Colour Electric Blue
    Tubeset Monocoque/6061-T6 OS Reynolds Custom Butted Aluminium Tube
    Rear Shock Fox Factory RP23 Kashima
    Swing Arm QR Axle
    Forks Fox 32 Float 140 Factory Fit RLC Kashima TS
    F Mech Shimano SLX
    R Mech Shimano XT Shadow RDM780 10sp
    Shifters Shimano SLX R Fire +
    Chainset Race Face Evolve XC 10sp Turbine rings X Type
    Cassette Shimano HG62-10
    Brakes Hope Tech X2 183/160
    Wheelset Hope Pro II Evo-Mavic XM317
    Tyres Continental Rubber Queen 2.2 Black Chilli UST
    Headset Hope ZS Tapered
    Stem Thomson X4
    S Post RockShox Reverb
    Saddle Fizik Gobi XM
    H Bars Easton Haven Carbon Low
    Pedals Flat
    B Bracket Race Face X Type

    I thought to myself, how much is just a frame when the bike is this much?

    £1499 (inc RP23).

    OK, thats wierd. The frame seems to be OK value (still too much IMHO but in the ballpark at least), so whats with the bike price? I decided to price up something similar. A quick trip to Merlin and I had this spec ready to go:

    Full XT drivetrain
    XT Brakes
    Hope Evo Hoops on Flows
    Reverb Post
    Saddle
    X4 Stem
    Havoc bars
    Same tyres
    Hope Headset
    Grips & Skewers
    Tubes
    Seatpost clamp
    XT SPD Trail Pedals

    Total Cost?

    £1541.89!

    That leaves me £2000.10 to secure frame and forks; and I am pretty freakin' sure I could walk into any orange dealer and get that deal done in a heart beat. I can imagine the conversation now....

    'Hey Chris'
    'Hey Ben, how are you?'
    'Good thanks, can I have a Orange Five frame and those (he says pointing) Fox forks for 2 Grand?'
    'How are you paying?'
    'Debit Card'
    'OK, sure, its a deal. Fed up with the Santa Cruz for some reason?'
    'Its a long story'....

    So, I have acquired an imaginary Orange five Pro with FULL XT, including pedals, and otherwise equivalent spec to that I got from Orange for 10p less than buying it from Orange.

    It is official. Orange Bikes ARE overpriced. The economics of buying from Orange just don't stack up! When I buy a complete bike its because its cheaper not MORE expensive! Why would anyone buy a complete Orange bike? It makes no sense.

    And before anyone argues I could get a discount on the whole bike, I can assure you if I put 30 minutes of effort in I could get the parts quite a bit cheaper too by shopping around.

    So, having established Orange BIKES are infact overpriced. We move onto Orange FRAMES. That will be at the weekend or maybe the following one depending on what my local dealer has available. I will keep you posted.
    A Flock of Birds
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  • Tim.s
    Tim.s Posts: 515
    Damn it, ive lurked this thread for too long!!!

    So just to add my tuppence worth, I think the 5 is......................ok.

    I think there are better bikes for the money and Orange bikes are generally overpriced.

    And yes that opinion is only my opinion and yes I have ridden one before.
    "Didn't hurt"

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