New Orange for 2012
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This thread is pretty funny.
I used to say exactly the same things, even argued on forums about how the Five was over priced, too heavy, single pivot, blah blah blah.
A few years later I rode one, now I own one.
Enough of the slating, Supersonic, yeehaamcgee and whoever else who hasn't ridden a current Five, go and test ride one, I 100% guarantee you will come back here with a totally changed opinion.
It's only £40 or whatever for the day, treat yourselves, it will be interesting.
Edit: You live in Essex and your username is VWsurfbum, nothing you say matters whatsoever.0 -
dubmodder, I could say the same about my bike, that if you test rode it you wouldn;t have bought an Orange. But that would be silly, wouldn't it?0
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Pedal kickback, I've never heard it mentioned outside of magazine articles
With advances in frame and shock design I'd say it is pretty much a non issue for most riders whatever the frame design/manufacturer.
When was the last time you heard someone complaining that kickback was compromising their ride?0 -
Kickback may not "compromise" your ride, but it IS one of the things that gives different frames their different pedalling feel. And it can be very noticeable.0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:the 5 is a shoot bike that is too heavy, welded by chimps, dated suspension, dated tube forming that is matched and beaten by bikes half the price.
the only reason it does well in MBR is because they are sponsored by MBR.
And it keeps the dinosaur (Orange) going while uneducated people buy it.
You forgot to add 'in your opinion'.
Which, lets face it, is as worthless as anyone else's.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Kickback may not "compromise" your ride, but it IS one of the things that gives different frames their different pedalling feel. And it can be very noticeable.
Does it compromise yours if so is it an issue?0 -
Dirtydog11 wrote:Pedal kickback, I've never heard it mentioned outside of magazine articles
With advances in frame and shock design I'd say it is pretty much a non issue for most riders whatever the frame design/manufacturer.
When was the last time you heard someone complaining that kickback was compromising their ride?
I did. That's why I went for a VPP design. Those annoying dead spots wound me up. I hate it when you are gunning along and it feels like the freehub is slipping.A Flock of Birds
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dubmodder wrote:This thread is pretty funny.
I used to say exactly the same things, even argued on forums about how the Five was over priced, too heavy, single pivot, blah blah blah.
A few years later I rode one, now I own one.
Enough of the slating, Supersonic, yeehaamcgee and whoever else who hasn't ridden a current Five, go and test ride one, I 100% guarantee you will come back here with a totally changed opinion.
It's only £40 or whatever for the day, treat yourselves, it will be interesting.
Edit: You live in Essex and your username is VWsurfbum, nothing you say matters whatsoever.
Challenge accepted. I will go and acquire an Orange five bar gate and report back to all.A Flock of Birds
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Sorry, was I being too contraversial?yeehaamcgee wrote::roll:
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benpinnick wrote:Dirtydog11 wrote:Pedal kickback, I've never heard it mentioned outside of magazine articles
With advances in frame and shock design I'd say it is pretty much a non issue for most riders whatever the frame design/manufacturer.
When was the last time you heard someone complaining that kickback was compromising their ride?
I did. That's why I went for a VPP design. Those annoying dead spots wound me up. I hate it when you are gunning along and it feels like the freehub is slipping.
I still stand by the statement that IMO it's a non issue for most riders
Look through the forum, hardly a mention of it.0 -
Huh? There is kickback on my bike, yes, but it's balanced nicely, to stabilise the bike when pedalling.Dirtydog11 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Kickback may not "compromise" your ride, but it IS one of the things that gives different frames their different pedalling feel. And it can be very noticeable.
Does it compromise yours if so is it an issue?
And, cause it's a VPP setup, is changes through the stroke. Reponsive pedalling at standard squat, and less kickback later in the travel for the big hits.
Erm. What?Dirtydog11 wrote:I still stand by the statement that IMO it's a non issue for most riders
Look through the forum, hardly a mention of it.
People don't use the term "kickback", because it's not a widely known or understood term - but riders are aware that "something" may or may not be right for them about a particular design.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:
Huh? There is kickback on my bike, yes, but it's balanced nicely, to stabilise the bike when pedalling.Dirtydog11 wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Kickback may not "compromise" your ride, but it IS one of the things that gives different frames their different pedalling feel. And it can be very noticeable.
Does it compromise yours if so is it an issue?
And, cause it's a VPP setup, is changes through the stroke. Reponsive pedalling at standard squat, and less kickback later in the travel for the big hits.
Erm. What?Dirtydog11 wrote:I still stand by the statement that IMO it's a non issue for most riders
Look through the forum, hardly a mention of it.
People don't use the term "kickback", because it's not a widely known or understood term - but riders are aware that "something" may or may not be right for them about a particular design.
Pedal kickback is the resistance you feel through the cranks when pedaling, it's caused by an increase in the distance between your chainrings and rear cassette. It's got nothing to do with stabilising your bike0 -
Challenge accepted. I will go and acquire an Orange five bar gate and report back to all.
Excellent, we need photos too, to prove you actually did it!
It should be quite interesting to see what you think.
What bike do you ride now if you don't mind me asking?0 -
That increase in distance is how bobbing is dealth with, using the chain tension to resist suspension compression. This stabilises the bike, instead of having it bob up and down when pedalling.Dirtydog11 wrote:Pedal kickback is the resistance you feel through the cranks when pedaling, it's caused by an increase in the distance between your chainrings and rear cassette. It's got nothing to do with stabilising your bike0 -
I find it actually helps when climbing rough stuff. It pulls the rear wheel into the floor and gives you more traction.
Pro-Flex actually used this in their marketing campaign back in the day.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:
That increase in distance is how bobbing is dealth with, using the chain tension to resist suspension compression. This stabilises the bike, instead of having it bob up and down when pedalling.Dirtydog11 wrote:Pedal kickback is the resistance you feel through the cranks when pedaling, it's caused by an increase in the distance between your chainrings and rear cassette. It's got nothing to do with stabilising your bike
I agree that's how bob is controlled but Kickback is an unwanted force felt through the pedals, ideally you shouldn't feel/get any kickback.
So getting back to my original statement
IMO Kickback for most riders is a non issue.0 -
But it IS. Any bike that has any amount of anti-bob, will have kickback. Balancing the two is a fine art.0
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Enough of the slating, Supersonic,
I have ridden several 5s, I think I can form an opinion of it from that. I also test bikes for a living, and have wrote published articles on suspension kinematics. I haven't slated it, but provided a viewpoint and wrote why people may not like the suspension.
Some people don't use the term 'kickback', but simply lump it in with how it 'pedals' - and there are LOTS of comments on this.
The bike for me exhibits a lot of pedal kickback on smaller gears which hinders it when climbing over rocky terrain. It messes with pedal rhythm and I find it loses traction. I can feel it on bigger hits on many other gears too. To me it is an issue. To many it is an issue. To many it is fine, as I stated, in the end it is what you like. I prefer longer travel bikes (120mm plus) not to have a high forward single pivot for the riding this bike is designed for. I prefer either a low rearward position with tuned shock (low kickback), or a multi link with travellling VPP.hoever else who hasn't ridden a current Five, go and test ride one, I 100% guarantee you will come back here with a totally changed opinion.
I can 100% assure you I won't. However I respect that you like it for your riding.0 -
I'm sorry do you know me? do you know anything about me? is this not a public forum where we give our opinions?dubmodder wrote:Edit: You live in Essex and your username is VWsurfbum, nothing you say matters whatsoever.
i'm "guessing" by your name we have something in common? but i dont know this so i wont make assumptions about you.
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I enjoy owning and riding mine at the moment. If that changes, I'll buy something else.........what's the problem?0
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The fives suspension does what its meant too as it works for me the bike as a whole felt for me like it was a bike i had owned for years and years i have no issues personally and i emphasize (Me personally)yeehaamcgee wrote:So, what is it about the 5's suspension that you think makes it so good? How does it compare to other full suss, or hardtail bikes you've ridden?
Do you think the balance between anti-squat, and kickback is well executed, along the entire rear travel?
other full suspensions ive had include a Giant Anthem 06 , Giant XTc 02/06 and a commencal 5.5 09 and a commencal meta 6 08 ( the meta 6 was a long term loner )
the hard tail Xtc was the only bike i felt as comfortable on as i do on a 5 to get on and ride the sh1t out of
i will say im not saying that a 5 is the best bike ever as there is probaly one out there that suits me better but up till now its the most comfortable and controlable bike off road i have ever owned i even do a 10mile commute on it most days as well it
plays hell with the tyres thou
i know non of this matters to any of the hatters but it works for many of us .0 -
Nothing.ftwizard wrote:I enjoy owning and riding mine at the moment. If that changes, I'll buy something else.........what's the problem?
We were just poking fun at Orange owners, basically, and (as always), you have stepped up to the mark to not only prove out point, but also make yourself a guaranteed, easy future target.
There really is no other bike brand where having a tongue in cheek jibe at it will illicit this kind of mentalist response.0 -
What bike do you ride Mcgee?0
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dubmodder wrote:Enough of the slating, Supersonic, yeehaamcgee and whoever else who hasn't ridden a current Five, go and test ride one, I 100% guarantee you will come back here with a totally changed opinion.
Ah, that's one of the Five Fanboi traits that drives me up the ****ing wall. "You don't think they're amazing, therefore, you can't have ridden one". Five owners default assumption is that if you criticise the bike you can only be speaking from ignorance.
See, for some people, their own opinion isn't good enough for them. I don't know why this is... I guess they're pretty insecure. It's not enough that they like something, they have to constantly validate that opinion by insisting other people should like it too. It's OK to like what you like, regardless of what other people think!
But for ****'s sake stop seeking to degrade every differing opinion. People can reach informed personal opinions that aren't the same as yours, disagreeing with you is not a sign of stupidity or lack of experience. You don't need to constantly put down people who disagree with you, their differing opinion does you no harm as long as you have the slightest bit of confidence in your own. It only diminishes you if you fail to understand it has as much value as your own, like you've just done.Uncompromising extremist0 -
I think he must want to start an appreciation thread for ityeehaamcgee wrote:
What does it matter?dubmodder wrote:What bike do you ride Mcgee?
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It doesn't matter, I just wondered.0
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Well, for the record, I ride a Sintesi Movida full suspension frame, but I run a rigid carbon fork on the front, with a 29-er front wheel (26" on the back, obviously). And it's singlespeed.0
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i ride a specialized stumpjumper pro 2006 with remote brain fade fox rear shock and talas forks. You MIGHT hate the bike but i dont care, its mine and i love it.
I used to ride an orange i loved that but i thought i paid too much for it and that was my opinion.
you ride an orange, i liked them a few years ago but i wont be buying one as it will cost me more than other bikes that i like much more.
If you bought a pair of adidas shoes and i said -
"they are sh*t because i dont like them"
you would say
"so what, i'm not asking you to wear them"
is this true or not?0 -
Ah, that's one of the Five Fanboi traits that drives me up the ****ing wall. "You don't think they're amazing, therefore, you can't have ridden one". Five owners default assumption is that if you criticise the bike you can only be speaking from ignorance.
See, for some people, their own opinion isn't good enough for them. I don't know why this is... I guess they're pretty insecure. It's not enough that they like something, they have to constantly validate that opinion by insisting other people should like it too. It's OK to like what you like, regardless of what other people think!
But for ****'s sake stop seeking to degrade every differing opinion. People can reach informed personal opinions that aren't the same as yours, disagreeing with you is not a sign of stupidity or lack of experience. You don't need to constantly put down people who disagree with you, their differing opinion does you no harm as long as you have the slightest bit of confidence in your own. It only diminishes you if you fail to understand it has as much value as your own, like you've just done.
Whats all that about?!
If you had read this bit you would know why I said that.I used to say exactly the same things, even argued on forums about how the Five was over priced, too heavy, single pivot, blah blah blah.
A few years later I rode one, now I own one.
Whats wrong with that? Thats what happened!
Also there are people on here with "opinions" of them that haven't even sat on one, let alone ridden one!
That pisses me off more I can tell you.0
