New Orange for 2012

The Northern Monkey

Or is it?



Looks very similar to the Alpine and Five, slacker that the Apline by 1deg and 20mm more travel

Priced at 3K

Frame Sizes S,M,L
Colour See options
Tubeset Monocoque/6061-T6 OS Reynolds Custom Butted Aluminium Tube
Swing Arm Maxle Swingarm
Fork Marzocchi 66 RCV 180mm
Rear Shock Fox Van RC
Rear Wheel Travel180
Bottom Bracket Race Face X Type
Front Mech Shimano SLX
Rear Mech Shimano Saint
Shifters Shimano SLX R Fire +
Chainset Race Face Respond Double X Type
Brakes Avid Elixir 5 200/180
Hubs Hope Pro 2 Evo
Rims Mavic EN321
Tyres Maxxis Hi Roller 2.35
Spokes DT Swiss Competition
Headset
Stem Truvativ Hussefelt Comp
Seatpost Truvativ Hussefelt DC
Saddle SDG Bel Air
Handlebars Truvativ Hussefelt Comp
Pedal Flat
Cassette Shimano HG50 (9 speed)
Upgrades Available See Options

Northwind

That's the new Patriot... Definately a new bike. Very nice it is too. See one in action here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMwpO25n ... r_embedded

Andy B

Ah, the good 'ol Patriot is back

Wondered when it would break cover, it's been in prototype testing for some time now.

schmako

Looks familiar!

The Northern Monkey

Lol...I just realised I didn't say what it was

Yeah, I know its a patriot!

Not sure about the price tag... but then it is an Orange.

Thewaylander

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sorry fell asleep there a moment

RevellRider

Brace yourself there's big news for the Orange Five too.

There's going to be 2 new sizes added to the range!

paul20v

Thewaylander wrote:

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sorry fell asleep there a moment

Why enter a thread that had Orange in the title then if you have issues

getonyourbike

It was known for quite a while, firstly a couple of vids with Joe Barnes and then Orange leaked some photos onto fb.

leaflite

Looks ok, but ive seen £1-1.5k boardmans with a better spec!

supersonic

Still putting Deore cassettes on Pro 2 hubs I see...

Northwind

supersonic wrote:

Still putting Deore cassettes on Pro 2 hubs I see...

That does my head in. That and putting tapered rear maxles in pro 2s.

What a ridiculous bit of spec-cutting as well on a £3000 bike... I reckon I'd really like one of those but it's obvious a big chunk of the money doesn't go anywhere near the bike.

Also they're still doing that incerdibly cheeky thing where they sell the bottom bracket upgrade for more than the parts cost at retail, and don't supply the original BB which you've already paid for. Grr.

supersonic

A nine speed SLX equipped bike, with bog standard Elixirs, budget Mavic Rims and relatively cheap finishing kit... for 3k?!

Northwind

Some expensive bike builds, it just looks like they took the budget and threw it at a parts catalogue. In this case, it looks like they missed.

Brocklanders023

I get the feeling this place is some what anti Orange!

When I got my old 2006 5 Pro Hope it was listed as all XT + Hope. Had an issue with the cassette and my lbs said it was because I was using a Pro 2 hub with cheap cassette :? Went over to the Orange factory (I'm local) and they said it'd be fine but upgraded me to the top of the line Sram cassette on the spot for a couple of quid. I was very happy.

Not going to get in to a Orange good/bad debate as I'm a 100% fanboy since the early 90's but does it not make sense that a British built frame may cost more then one from Taiwan? Money's in the frame on an Orange.

benpinnick

Brocklanders023 wrote:

Money's in the frame on an Orange.

Would have thought the frames would be cheap by now. They've been punting the same stuff for decades.

paul20v

Oh no not again surely :roll:

Dirtydog11

Northwind wrote:

supersonic wrote:

Still putting Deore cassettes on Pro 2 hubs I see...

That does my head in. That and putting tapered rear maxles in pro 2s.

FYI

http://digitalhippie.net/mtb-reviews/dr ... -135x12mm/

I agree about the cassette.

Northwind

Brocklanders023 wrote:

When I got my old 2006 5 Pro Hope it was listed as all XT + Hope. Had an issue with the cassette and my lbs said it was because I was using a Pro 2 hub with cheap cassette :? Went over to the Orange factory (I'm local) and they said it'd be fine but upgraded me to the top of the line Sram cassette on the spot for a couple of quid. I was very happy.

If they'd fitted a suitable cassette in the first place it'd never have been an issue! And that was 5 years ago, what Sonic's pointing out is they're still doing the same crap today.

That's not being anti-Orange, that's being pro-the-bleeding-obvious.

Dirtydog11 wrote:

http://digitalhippie.net/mtb-reviews/drivetrain-mtb-reviews/rockshox-update-rear-maxle-lite-135x12mm/

Aye, Rockshox released that fix for Hope's problem, though it's still not a perfect fit, the things still snap... But Orange happilly shipped bikes with the combo of tapered axles and pro 2s for ages, knowing it was a bad combo.

supersonic

If I had about 3k to spend, I'd like to test one of these:

http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes ... tml?b=2094

In fact at that money for that spec, I'd just buy it! Sub 30lbs with 180mm at each end!

kdawg74

supersonic that is a f**king sexy looking bike and what a price for the spec.

P-Jay

I've found a better pic of it...



Oh, sorry no that's the '08!

Invovation by Xerox.

Still, the "if it isn't broke" method worked so well for the british Car industry.

Northwind

P-Jay wrote:

Still, the "if it isn't broke" method worked so well for the british Car industry.

To be fair, that was "it's broke, don't fix it"

It's a fairly different bike tbh... It's a bit like looking at a new hardtail and saying it's just 2 triangles welded together, like every other hardtail. New geometry, different pivot positions, built for bigger forks (plus, I think the new one's lighter than the last version as well as more forky)

Davie mac

P-Jay wrote:

I've found a better pic of it...



Oh, sorry no that's the '08!

Invovation by Xerox.

Still, the "if it isn't broke" method worked so well for the british Car industry.

thats the 07,08 had different stickers
anyway good to see the legend lives on

paul20v

P-Jay wrote:

Still, the "if it isn't broke" method worked so well for the british Car industry.

The car industry was more todo with the lazy work force spending more time on strike than anything else as with other things in this country but thats a whole other subject .

Albirdave

P-Jay wrote:

Still, the "if it isn't broke" method worked so well for the british Car industry.

God, you must be old or did your parents tell you that there used to be a british car industry.

When will we see a carbon framed Orange..........even Kona moved on............a little.

Thewaylander

paul20v wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

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sorry fell asleep there a moment

Why enter a thread that had Orange in the title then if you have issues

The actual thread was started in sarcasm if you didn't notice, so my comment makes more sense than yours to be honest.

Ryan Jones

New ? Maybe if you'd spent the last 15 years in a coma and still had the fugee's in your ears

paul20v

Thewaylander wrote:

paul20v wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

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sorry fell asleep there a moment

Why enter a thread that had Orange in the title then if you have issues

The actual thread was started in sarcasm if you didn't notice, so my comment makes more sense than yours to be honest.

Was it ? thats how you saw it obviously
thats not how i saw it
still my comment is spot on why enter a thread you and so many have issues with
i thought it was the right of the individual as i human being to buy what they want when they want No or Yes ?
you and others on this forum do seem to have a problem with said make but no one is asking you to buy one or is it just that everything you buy is just perfect and the best
as im sure you buy stuff others would think was a stupid move as we are all different .

Neil A

I've had 2 Oranges (1996 C16R and a 2001 Patriot LT) and I love the thought of a British built bike. I also ride a Roberts road bike which is about as British as it gets.

Their bikes win test after test (albeit in UK mags) and every other bike in Morzine is a 224. However, when other manufacturers show what seems to be so much innovation I could never bring myself to part with £3k for such old tech. Maybe I'm missing something but for big hit fun I'd go Trek Scratch 8 for example. Or RM Slayer or a Lapierre Spicy.

Thewaylander

paul20v wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

paul20v wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

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sorry fell asleep there a moment

Why enter a thread that had Orange in the title then if you have issues

The actual thread was started in sarcasm if you didn't notice, so my comment makes more sense than yours to be honest.

Was it ? thats how you saw it obviously
thats not how i saw it
still my comment is spot on why enter a thread you and so many have issues with
i thought it was the right of the individual as i human being to buy what they want when they want No or Yes ?
you and others on this forum do seem to have a problem with said make but no one is asking you to buy one or is it just that everything you buy is just perfect and the best
as im sure you buy stuff others would think was a stupid move as we are all different .

Ask monkey he was taking the mickael :P, just as it is every human beings right to take the micky.

And neither are we slamming orange for making over priced or poorly made bikes here, we are just pointing out it doesn't really look all that new a design so put your misses panties back on fella take a chill pill and allow yourself to see the irony of orange at times.