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  • clod71
    clod71 Posts: 3
    Hi Equilibrium riders,

    I am currently riding a Genesis Aether, which is the Alu version of the Equilibrium. I love the bike, but I have decided to go steel... 'cos I want the bike to last for eternity :D
    Anyway, I think the frame and fork are exactly the same in terms of geometry and so my question is:
    can I just buy the Equilibrium frame and move all the components from my Aether to the Equilibrium?
    Would everything be compatible?
    and the othe question is... if I decided to move from a 54cm to a 52cm would all the components still be compatible?

    Thanks

    EDIT: I forgot the 3rd question... my carbon forks are grey and I don't think the would look nice with the fast cherry red of the Equilibrium. Can carbon forks be re-painted?
  • clod71
    clod71 Posts: 3
    clod71 wrote:
    Hi Equilibrium riders,

    I am currently riding a Genesis Aether, which is the Alu version of the Equilibrium. I love the bike, but I have decided to go steel... 'cos I want the bike to last for eternity :D
    Anyway, I think the frame and fork are exactly the same in terms of geometry and so my question is:
    can I just buy the Equilibrium frame and move all the components from my Aether to the Equilibrium?
    Would everything be compatible?
    and the othe question is... if I decided to move from a 54cm to a 52cm would all the components still be compatible?

    Thanks

    EDIT: I forgot the 3rd question... my carbon forks are grey and I don't think the would look nice with the fast cherry red of the Equilibrium. Can carbon forks be re-painted?

    anyone?
  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    clod71 wrote:
    clod71 wrote:
    Hi Equilibrium riders,

    I am currently riding a Genesis Aether, which is the Alu version of the Equilibrium. I love the bike, but I have decided to go steel... 'cos I want the bike to last for eternity :D
    Anyway, I think the frame and fork are exactly the same in terms of geometry and so my question is:
    can I just buy the Equilibrium frame and move all the components from my Aether to the Equilibrium?
    Would everything be compatible?
    and the othe question is... if I decided to move from a 54cm to a 52cm would all the components still be compatible?

    Thanks

    EDIT: I forgot the 3rd question... my carbon forks are grey and I don't think the would look nice with the fast cherry red of the Equilibrium. Can carbon forks be re-painted?

    anyone?

    Hi there,

    Firstly, since the materials are different, I would imagine that the tube diameters would be likely to be different, this would mean you'd need a new seat-post, front mech/clamp and a seat clamp. The rest would fit. It could be that the tubes are the same, in which case everything would fit. Same with the different size.

    Don't know about the 3rd question, I would imagine so, though.
    Sun - Rain - Snow
  • woodnut
    woodnut Posts: 562
    clod71 wrote:
    clod71 wrote:
    can I just buy the Equilibrium frame

    good luck in finding one to buy mate.....they are as rare as rocking horse poo at the mo
    Genesis I
    Genesis II
    Planet X
  • clod71
    clod71 Posts: 3
    UndercoverElephant wrote:
    clod71 wrote:
    clod71 wrote:
    Hi Equilibrium riders,

    I am currently riding a Genesis Aether, which is the Alu version of the Equilibrium. I love the bike, but I have decided to go steel... 'cos I want the bike to last for eternity :D
    Anyway, I think the frame and fork are exactly the same in terms of geometry and so my question is:
    can I just buy the Equilibrium frame and move all the components from my Aether to the Equilibrium?
    Would everything be compatible?
    and the othe question is... if I decided to move from a 54cm to a 52cm would all the components still be compatible?

    Thanks

    EDIT: I forgot the 3rd question... my carbon forks are grey and I don't think the would look nice with the fast cherry red of the Equilibrium. Can carbon forks be re-painted?

    anyone?

    Hi there,

    Firstly, since the materials are different, I would imagine that the tube diameters would be likely to be different, this would mean you'd need a new seat-post, front mech/clamp and a seat clamp. The rest would fit. It could be that the tubes are the same, in which case everything would fit. Same with the different size.

    Don't know about the 3rd question, I would imagine so, though.

    Thank you for the reply UndercoverElephant, I'll check that out with my LBS... I think the frame is the exact same though.. :roll:
    @woodnut is it that difficult? uhm... I'll start looking and see if a size 52 shows up somewhere. Thanks
  • Jimbo.
    Jimbo. Posts: 124
    re. bottle cages. Checked out the 54cm Aether (same geometry as the Equilibrium, but aluminium). The seat tube bottle cages were both above the front mech band.
    Checked with the shop, who weren't surprised ("Yeah, some <bikes?> are like that...you need some spacers..."). Nothing from Genesis yet either. BUT, rather than make an issue of it, and remembering that some bikes are indeed like that, I thought I'd look at what can be done.

    So far, it seems:
    1) Spacers.
    2) Bottle cage with no lower rails, like the Tacx Tayo
    ...are the options. I'll see what works and report back :)
  • Jimbo.
    Jimbo. Posts: 124
    Fixed with the aid of those Presta valve lock rings, of which I'm sure everyone has a few million rolling around the bottom of the toolkit :)
  • tandrews8664
    tandrews8664 Posts: 97
    Not sure if people are still looking for frames, but as they seem to be hard to come by at the mo i thought i would bring your attention to this

    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40049&t=12858444

    Might suit someone on here
  • tonye_n
    tonye_n Posts: 832
    tandrews8664 wrote:
    Not sure if people are still looking for frames, but as they seem to be hard to come by at the mo i thought i would bring your attention to this

    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40049&t=12858444

    Might suit someone on here
    Perhaps if he'd put pics with the post he may have had a more enthusiastic response.
  • adebisi
    adebisi Posts: 52
    Just had mine delivered today. Now I have my old alu camel and my new 725 equilibrium standing in the office garage. Guess which one I'm going to ride back home tonight? 8)
  • woodnut
    woodnut Posts: 562
    Good news! Enjoy the ride home... :D
    Genesis I
    Genesis II
    Planet X
  • jonny_trousers
    jonny_trousers Posts: 3,588
    adebisi wrote:
    Just had mine delivered today. Now I have my old alu camel and my new 725 equilibrium standing in the office garage. Guess which one I'm going to ride back home tonight? 8)

    Well done Adebisi!

    Do give it a once over to check everything is nice and tight, but enjoy the ride!
  • guerilla
    guerilla Posts: 167
    anybody know where to get replacement bar tape? I can't seem to find the same stuff and I prefer it to the other tapes i've had.
  • jonny_trousers
    jonny_trousers Posts: 3,588
    guerilla wrote:
    anybody know where to get replacement bar tape? I can't seem to find the same stuff and I prefer it to the other tapes i've had.

    Nope. Not sure what genesis use. You can get Fizik Microtex stuff that looks very similar, feels great and is easy to keep clean, however.
  • adebisi
    adebisi Posts: 52
    Jonny_Trousers wrote:
    adebisi wrote:
    Just had mine delivered today. Now I have my old alu camel and my new 725 equilibrium standing in the office garage. Guess which one I'm going to ride back home tonight? 8)

    Well done Adebisi!

    Do give it a once over to check everything is nice and tight, but enjoy the ride!
    Couldn't be happier. From where I'm coming, the ride feels incredibly smooth and I believe it'll become even better once I get some more k's under my belt and have made the necessary adjustments to the riding position. By the way, despite all the advice given here, I decided to go with a 56 and believe it was the right choice.


    There are a few niggles though.

    The brakes certainly didn't feel too powerful even though the tarmac was drier than a bedouin's sandals. I must admit that I do not have too much experience on road bikes as this far I've been riding a custom hybrid with Shimano LX v-brakes and a 29er with hydraulic discs both of which give superb stopping power in all conditions. But still... I do not even dare to think how the Tektros will perform once it gets wet. And yes, I checked their mounting and that they're properly set up but found nothing out of order. Maybe, changing the brake pads will help? I might even see if I'm able to use the LX pads...

    Secondly, the wheels will have to go eventually. Basically they felt ok, but just ok is not enough when everything else is great. However, the that will have to wait a little more.
  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    Stock pads are always rubbish, I never even take a bike out before changing them. Upgraded pads will never be as good as disks, but they will be a lot better than the originals - there's only so much you need to brake on the road anyway.
    Sun - Rain - Snow
  • guerilla
    guerilla Posts: 167
    Jonny_Trousers wrote:
    guerilla wrote:
    anybody know where to get replacement bar tape? I can't seem to find the same stuff and I prefer it to the other tapes i've had.

    Nope. Not sure what genesis use. You can get Fizik Microtex stuff that looks very similar, feels great and is easy to keep clean, however.


    Will look into this, thanks.
  • jessand
    jessand Posts: 45
    I'm a proud owner, Cherry red - beautiful! It's not really the cherry red the old ones were, it's metallic and looks fabulous in the light. Just to add my bit on the bottle cages (I've got a 54), I had the same reaction as most - amazed. Surprisingly though, when I tried to fit my Tortec Alloy cage I only needed 1 standard thin washer to enable it to clear the mech (which is chorus). Have look at the tortec cages, quite light, nice looking and seem to have been made for bikes with bottle cage mounts in strange places!
  • woodnut
    woodnut Posts: 562
    jessand wrote:
    I'm a proud owner, Cherry red - beautiful! It's not really the cherry red the old ones were, it's metallic and looks fabulous in the light. Just to add my bit on the bottle cages (I've got a 54), I had the same reaction as most - amazed. Surprisingly though, when I tried to fit my Tortec Alloy cage I only needed 1 standard thin washer to enable it to clear the mech (which is chorus). Have look at the tortec cages, quite light, nice looking and seem to have been made for bikes with bottle cage mounts in strange places!

    Pics reqd! :D
    Genesis I
    Genesis II
    Planet X
  • jessand
    jessand Posts: 45
    I will post, as soon as I've cut the steerer and got the bar tape on. She doesn't look her best at the moment although she's riding wonderfully. I can't quite decide on the tape, I'm thinking about the fizik glossy red - but want to see it in the flesh and decide whether the colour's right. My original thinking was black tape to go with the saddle and using black mudguards too but if I can find the right red tape I'll go with that - and probably silver guards. I've gone silver with the headset, bars, stem and seatclamp so I'll probably continue that theme.
  • fossala
    fossala Posts: 122
    What is the setback on a genesis equilbirum black seatpost. I have got a brooks saddle comming and I don't think it will have enough setback. I need too look for another one and would like to know how much more I will get in mm.
  • sketchley
    sketchley Posts: 4,238
    I've had the 650s fitted quite a noticeable difference..l very happy with stopping power now.....
    --
    Chris

    Genesis Equilibrium - FCN 3/4/5
  • adebisi
    adebisi Posts: 52
    Just hit the first century ride on my Equilibrium today. There were no major bumps or any other obstacles on the way but both wheels were bent out of shape, badly. I guess the stock wheels just weren't built properly...

    The ride was great, though =)
  • jessand
    jessand Posts: 45
    Sounds like a good reason for a new set of wheels to me.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    adebisi wrote:
    There were no major bumps or any other obstacles on the way but both wheels were bent out of shape, badly. I guess the stock wheels just weren't built properly...
    These the RS10s? Surely they can't be that bad??
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • adebisi
    adebisi Posts: 52
    thegibdog wrote:
    adebisi wrote:
    There were no major bumps or any other obstacles on the way but both wheels were bent out of shape, badly. I guess the stock wheels just weren't built properly...
    These the RS10s? Surely they can't be that bad??
    Well, maybe not that bad, but bad enough to induce noticeable wobbling of 5-10mm. Both, the front and the rear wheel had one spoke completely loose so that you were able to turn the screws with bare hands. The tension of the other spokes' was very uneven, too.

    I'm inclined to believe that the components themselves are of decent quality. To me this is primarily a sign of sloppy wheel building instead. Luckily, this time it didn't result in anything else but a couple an hour spent on spinning a spoke wrench. I've already had new wheels in mind before but it looks like I just might get them earlier than I intended if the wheels lose their shape again and rebuilding them doesn't help either.


    I have two options
    Fancy and loud
    Mavic Open Pros + Hope Pro III hubs

    Budget and silent
    Mavic Open Pros + Shimano 105 hubs
  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    The stock wheels on my Genesis Day One were that bad, but they weren't as good as RS10s which I would assume would be reasonably well built. 10 minutes spent tweaking my nipples, and they've never gone out of true again.
    Sun - Rain - Snow
  • adebisi
    adebisi Posts: 52
    UndercoverElephant wrote:
    The stock wheels on my Genesis Day One were that bad, but they weren't as good as RS10s which I would assume would be reasonably well built. 10 minutes spent tweaking my nipples, and they've never gone out of true again.
    We'll see. I just spent 60 minutes, so I guess my wheels will last for six nevers. At least there are no loose spokes anymore.
  • rob13
    rob13 Posts: 430
    Bit of a long shot this one, but is there anyone with an Equilibrium in the North East who would be willing to give me a go? I'm trying to find a demo somewhere but its hard enough trying to find a stockist with a bike in stock, nevermind a Demo bike! I'm coming from a Boardman Comp but dont want to be buying something which I dont like. I either go the way of an Equilibrium (to match my MTB) or go for something like a CAAD9 or 10 for a racier ride.

    The complaint with my Boardman is the unforgiving ride, although it is certainly no slouch when it comes to putting the power down.
  • jonny_trousers
    jonny_trousers Posts: 3,588
    Rob13 wrote:
    Bit of a long shot this one, but is there anyone with an Equilibrium in the North East who would be willing to give me a go? I'm trying to find a demo somewhere but its hard enough trying to find a stockist with a bike in stock, nevermind a Demo bike! I'm coming from a Boardman Comp but dont want to be buying something which I dont like. I either go the way of an Equilibrium (to match my MTB) or go for something like a CAAD9 or 10 for a racier ride.

    The complaint with my Boardman is the unforgiving ride, although it is certainly no slouch when it comes to putting the power down.

    Can't help with the being in the NE thing, I'm afraid, but I will just say that you perhaps need to consider what you want the new bike for. An Equilibrium will definitely give you a more comfortable ride than your Boardman without becoming boring in the process, but it won't be as stiff or as light as either of the two Cannondales. If you want an out and out speed machine then maybe don't go for the Equilibrium. If you want a very comfortable, do-it-all machine that goes exactly where you point it and will make you grin from ear-to-ear, then take a punt, I've yet to meet anyone who regretted doing so.

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