Floyd -- he wrote us a letter...
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Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
Why is it fine by me? Because by paying the very top sportsmen (and a handful of women, but that's a whole other rant) ridiculous wages we have created a system whereby it pays an awful lot to cheat. Yes, there will always be motivation to do this, but never in history has this motivation been so strong. How is it that someone like Armstrong can earn millions of pounds by going slightly faster on his bike than someone else? How can Premiership footballers earn multiples of the average yearly salary per week? Sport has gotten completely out of hand and become a ruthless business where cheats and liars prosper. So yes, I think going back to the wage structures of 50 years ago probably wouldn't be such a bad thing.Bike lover and part-time cyclist.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
And who's fault is that?
quite a few people's fault-, the lack testing, the laizze faire attitude at the UCI since 1993 but certainly not the possible majority of clean riders you might blame and who will all lose their jobs. Are you ok with the fall out? Price worth paying? I'm not0 -
AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
Why is it fine by me? Because by paying the very top sportsmen (and a handful of women, but that's a whole other rant) ridiculous wages we have created a system whereby it pays an awful lot to cheat. Yes, there will always be motivation to do this, but never in history has this motivation been so strong. How is it that someone like Armstrong can earn millions of pounds by going slightly faster on his bike than someone else? How can Premiership footballers earn multiples of the average yearly salary per week? Sport has gotten completely out of hand and become a ruthless business where cheats and liars prosper. So yes, I think going back to the wage structures of 50 years ago probably wouldn't be such a bad thing.
pro cycling is very hard and some of them are so good at it, don't they deserve more than the chump change you are suggesting?0 -
Dave_1 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
And who's fault is that?
quite a few people's fault-, the lack testing, the laizze faire attitude at the UCI since 1993 but certainly not the possible majority of clean riders you might blame and who will all lose their jobs. Are you ok with the fall out? Price worth paying? I'm not
So you're happy to turn a blind eye Dave?????????
You sound like a pro bike racer.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Lance should be waking up soon
he won't have slept...he and the others will be getting their story straight0 -
Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
Why is it fine by me? Because by paying the very top sportsmen (and a handful of women, but that's a whole other rant) ridiculous wages we have created a system whereby it pays an awful lot to cheat. Yes, there will always be motivation to do this, but never in history has this motivation been so strong. How is it that someone like Armstrong can earn millions of pounds by going slightly faster on his bike than someone else? How can Premiership footballers earn multiples of the average yearly salary per week? Sport has gotten completely out of hand and become a ruthless business where cheats and liars prosper. So yes, I think going back to the wage structures of 50 years ago probably wouldn't be such a bad thing.
pro cycling is very hard and some of them are so good at it, don't they deserve more than the chump change you are suggesting?
Do they deserve millions of pounds for it?Bike lover and part-time cyclist.0 -
SpaceJunk wrote:Dave_1 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
And who's fault is that?
quite a few people's fault-, the lack testing, the laizze faire attitude at the UCI since 1993 but certainly not the possible majority of clean riders you might blame and who will all lose their jobs. Are you ok with the fall out? Price worth paying? I'm not
So you're happy to turn a blind eye Dave?????????
You sound like a pro bike racer.
I'm for a bit of both...Omerta sucks but so does putting 500 riders out of work for problems many of them never caused.
Are u ok with knocking the sport back into the dark ages with the guaranteed mass sponsorship pull outs the Landis revelations will lead to?0 -
Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis0 -
Dave_1:
1. Is it a good or bad thing that pro riders dope?
2. Is it a good or bad thing that this doping is revealed?
It's a self inflicted problem and the consequences of it, whatever they may be (probably nothing) will be too.0 -
AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
Why is it fine by me? Because by paying the very top sportsmen (and a handful of women, but that's a whole other rant) ridiculous wages we have created a system whereby it pays an awful lot to cheat. Yes, there will always be motivation to do this, but never in history has this motivation been so strong. How is it that someone like Armstrong can earn millions of pounds by going slightly faster on his bike than someone else? How can Premiership footballers earn multiples of the average yearly salary per week? Sport has gotten completely out of hand and become a ruthless business where cheats and liars prosper. So yes, I think going back to the wage structures of 50 years ago probably wouldn't be such a bad thing.
pro cycling is very hard and some of them are so good at it, don't they deserve more than the chump change you are suggesting?
Do they deserve millions of pounds for it?
The best do deserve a million, but most deserve more than the average salary given their talents and the brutality of the sport they do and the fact they are washed up at 35 and don't have the extra 30 working years a normal person does0 -
Dave_1 wrote:SpaceJunk wrote:Dave_1 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Dave_1 wrote:AidanR wrote:Dave_1 wrote:its just great news eh: :roll: ,... by next year club teams will be about all that's left in the sport. This will set the sport back 50 years in terms of sponsorship, salaries...Is that what you wish for?
Fine by me. Now if we could only do the same for football etc...
Why is it fine by you?
probably some forums members in a half decent club will be able to have a tilt at some classics and GTs by 2011 given the rate at which sponsors are going to exit this sport this season and next...
And who's fault is that?
quite a few people's fault-, the lack testing, the laizze faire attitude at the UCI since 1993 but certainly not the possible majority of clean riders you might blame and who will all lose their jobs. Are you ok with the fall out? Price worth paying? I'm not
So you're happy to turn a blind eye Dave?????????
You sound like a pro bike racer.
I'm for a bit of both...Omerta sucks but so does putting 500 riders out of work for problems many of them never caused.
Are u ok with knocking the sport back into the dark ages with the guaranteed mass sponsorship pull outs the Landis revelations will lead to?
I'm okay with 500 people losing their jobs if that is what it takes to clean up the sport once and for all.
Do you think cycling can clean itself up without such drastic measures?0 -
Dave,
Don't get me wrong, i'm not jumping with joy at the prospect of people being out of work, but it's a system that's broken. It rewards teh wrong behaviours. Where are these clean riders so concerned about their livlihood if the omerta comes crashing down, who are telling everybody that things must change? They are complicit and if you are complicit, you get hurt also by definition.
You are right, a great many people have brought us to this point, and very few have tried with any conviction or sense of anything other than self preservation to change the course of the sport. But it is the sports protagonists and administrators who have failed to check it's slide into corruption.
If a clearout of sponsors, riders, teams, managers etc etc is what it takes, then so be it."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
afx237vi wrote:Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis
Some people just have no shame do they?
Off the top of my head, the following riders tested positive or were implicated in doping whilst riding for Phonak;
Tyler Hamilton
Santiago Perez
Oscar Camenzind
Fabrizio Guidi
Floyd Landis
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
The sponsor, of course, knew nothing. :roll:0 -
andyp wrote:afx237vi wrote:Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis
Some people just have no shame do they?
Off the top of my head, the following riders tested positive or were implicated in doping whilst riding for Phonak;
Tyler Hamilton
Santiago Perez
Oscar Camenzind
Fabrizio Guidi
Floyd Landis
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
The sponsor, of course, knew nothing. :roll:
And yet, when Andy Riis attended a Tour down Under press conference back in Jan, they presented a Powerpoint presentation speaking about their feats as a cycling team.
And he had the balls to put a picture of Landis from the 2006 Tour riding in yellow, saying how, despite what happened it was still an achievement.
Something good to hang your hat on!0 -
I refuse to believe anyone who looks like a gnome can be a bad person.
FREE ANDY RIHS!Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
andyp wrote:afx237vi wrote:Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis
Some people just have no shame do they?
Off the top of my head, the following riders tested positive or were implicated in doping whilst riding for Phonak;
Tyler Hamilton
Santiago Perez
Oscar Camenzind
Fabrizio Guidi
Floyd Landis
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
The sponsor, of course, knew nothing. :roll:
What should be done? I want to see Evans at the TDF...is he in on it?0 -
Dave_1 wrote:andyp wrote:afx237vi wrote:Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis
Some people just have no shame do they?
Off the top of my head, the following riders tested positive or were implicated in doping whilst riding for Phonak;
Tyler Hamilton
Santiago Perez
Oscar Camenzind
Fabrizio Guidi
Floyd Landis
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
The sponsor, of course, knew nothing. :roll:
What should be done? I want to see Evans at the TDF...is he in on it?
Again, if Cadel misses out on TdF spot because of BMC going under etc, then I say tough luck (and I'm a Cadel fan).
Would you sign up with a team that has the history it has? 7 riders busted!
I think he made a bad choice back in Nov 09 when he made the move, and nothing has change my opinion.0 -
andyp wrote:afx237vi wrote:Andy Rihs going with the "bitter loser" angle and denies, denies, denies:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-ri ... oyd-landis
Some people just have no shame do they?
Off the top of my head, the following riders tested positive or were implicated in doping whilst riding for Phonak;
Tyler Hamilton
Santiago Perez
Oscar Camenzind
Fabrizio Guidi
Floyd Landis
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
The sponsor, of course, knew nothing. :roll:
You've got a big head
I'm amazed Rihs hasn't got more flak before now really.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
OMG I almost dropped my kitkat into my tea when I read the letter. So many things stuck out:
- The UCI taking cash for a cover up.
- Ferrari with detailed knowledge of the EPO test
- The bus pulling over for mass transfusions in full view of, e.g. the bus driver. Where is he now, I wonder...! Bet the journo's are hunting him down as we speak :-)
- Detailed info about doping regimes. Again, similar to Kohl, Jaksche, Frei - in light of specific info about how to dope and beat the tests, the UCI needs to come forward with a credible response.
McQuaid's repsonse is completely unacceptable - he is a major part of the problem and should go IMO.
I feel genuinely sorry for Landis, and most of the other riders. With the exception of Armstong, who is a major force in preserving the status quo. It's the system that's rotten. Kids getting their first pro contract are placed in a position where they can realise their dreams, only to learn that they have to either cheat or accept they're never going to get to the top. This is utterly wrong, IMO.0 -
Pat McQuaid is on record saying pretty much the same thing and making it clear that he thought the positive for doping only 'somewhat tainted' what was a 'classical exploit'.SpaceJunk wrote:when Andy Riis attended a Tour down Under press conference back in Jan, they presented a Powerpoint presentation speaking about their feats as a cycling team.
And he had the balls to put a picture of Landis from the 2006 Tour riding in yellow, saying how, despite what happened it was still an achievement.
...we thought we were watching a superb exploit on the Tour de France, one of the great classical exploits on the Tour de France. It has turned out now to be somewhat tainted, that exploit. But anyhow...
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/10-spe ... f-cycling/0 -
I take it this
wasn't quite the tell all it promised!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
Pat McQuaid is on record saying pretty much the same thing and making it clear that he thought the positive for doping only 'somewhat tainted' what was a 'classical exploit'.SpaceJunk wrote:when Andy Riis attended a Tour down Under press conference back in Jan, they presented a Powerpoint presentation speaking about their feats as a cycling team.
And he had the balls to put a picture of Landis from the 2006 Tour riding in yellow, saying how, despite what happened it was still an achievement.
...we thought we were watching a superb exploit on the Tour de France, one of the great classical exploits on the Tour de France. It has turned out now to be somewhat tainted, that exploit. But anyhow...
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/10-spe ... f-cycling/
LOL
BMC gave me a memory stick full of bike porn and a copy of the Powerpoint presentation. (My reward for sitting through the Evans / Big George ® / Rihs press conference)
I might pull it out; I think they may have been quote Postman Pat!0 -
UCI Press release:
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDe ... LangId%3D1
So an impartial investigation is a fundamental right... so much so that they won't be doing one and they'll just leave it to the accused to take the positions they see fit?0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:I take it this
wasn't quite the tell all it promised!
There appears to be a blood bag hanging in the doorway of that bus.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Michael Barry's new book is called "Le Metier", which is slang for doping in French.0
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Dave,
Don't get me wrong, i'm not jumping with joy at the prospect of people being out of work, but it's a system that's broken. It rewards teh wrong behaviours. Where are these clean riders so concerned about their livlihood if the omerta comes crashing down, who are telling everybody that things must change? They are complicit and if you are complicit, you get hurt also by definition.
You are right, a great many people have brought us to this point, and very few have tried with any conviction or sense of anything other than self preservation to change the course of the sport. But it is the sports protagonists and administrators who have failed to check it's slide into corruption.
If a clearout of sponsors, riders, teams, managers etc etc is what it takes, then so be it.
amen that, brother0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:I take it this
wasn't quite the tell all it promised!
lol ... blood bag at the door, someone is havin a laugh. Team buses appeared when EPO took root so one assumes the buses were for that. Medicating on the move. I think PDM had the first bus, then ONCE0 -
WADA Press Release:Statement from WADA President on Floyd Landis Allegations
May 20, 2010
Following numerous requests for comment, WADA issued the following statement from its President John Fahey in relation to reported allegations recently made by US cyclist Floyd Landis:
“WADA is aware of the serious allegations made by Mr Landis. We are very interested in learning more about this matter and we will liaise with the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) and any other authorities with appropriate jurisdiction to get to the heart of the issues raised. WADA looks forward to these further investigations and enquiries by those responsible.
“Generally speaking, WADA encourages everyone with knowledge of banned practices in sport, including athletes who were caught cheating and who denied the evidence for years, to be forthcoming in disclosing the information they may have to the proper authorities. This will further contribute to clean sport and strengthen existing anti-doping programs for the good of clean athletes worldwide.”
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/News-Center/Articles/Statement-from-WADA-President-on-Floyd-Landis-Allegations/0
