Today's discussion about the news
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I quite like Jon Stewart, he did an interesting show with Ian Hislop, which was on Youtube which was worth a look.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:
You should watch some of the stuff he has to say about Trump.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful. I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK.
Check out his "New Rules"
He's a weird one... I'm not sure he's always 'left leaning'.
Yeah, seen that, but it is playing to his audience. I don't actually know what he stands for, other than realising Trump is nuts. His anti-muslim stance is not up for debate: his cynicism goes out of the window.0 -
I liked this one he did a good few years back.bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful.
I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK. Though the absence of a whooping and cheering audience would definitely be a requirement.
Check out his "New Rules"
https://youtu.be/AIpdC0o3mdM?si=IAnHdpffibGttjPc "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
secretsqirrel said:
I quite like Jon Stewart, he did an interesting show with Ian Hislop, which was on Youtube which was worth a look.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:
You should watch some of the stuff he has to say about Trump.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful. I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK.
Check out his "New Rules"
He's a weird one... I'm not sure he's always 'left leaning'.
Yeah, seen that, but it is playing to his audience. I don't actually know what he stands for, other than realising Trump is nuts. His anti-muslim stance is not up for debate: his cynicism goes out of the window.
Yes, Jon Stewart seems to have a more consistent 'world view': he's been extremely vocal on the treatment of veterans, and his take down of a pro-gun lobbyist was poetry.
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I find his discussions are an entertaining way of keeping informed.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:
You should watch some of the stuff he has to say about Trump.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful. I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK.
Check out his "New Rules"
He's a weird one... I'm not sure he's always 'left leaning'.
Yeah, seen that, but it is playing to his audience. I don't actually know what he stands for, other than realising Trump is nuts. His anti-muslim stance is not up for debate: his cynicism goes out of the window.
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bikes_and_dogs said:
I find his discussions are an entertaining way of keeping informed.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:
You should watch some of the stuff he has to say about Trump.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful. I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK.
Check out his "New Rules"
He's a weird one... I'm not sure he's always 'left leaning'.
Yeah, seen that, but it is playing to his audience. I don't actually know what he stands for, other than realising Trump is nuts. His anti-muslim stance is not up for debate: his cynicism goes out of the window.
So ... is he relevant or should he be cancelled?
Shouldn't be cancelled - his cynicism and scripted barbs can be entertaining, but I'm not convinced that his cynicism is all born of tolerance and an open mind. Trump is an easy target. I must admit that the Israel/Gaza conflict an interesting one for how I've reassessed whose judgement I trust: ones who cannot bring themselves to criticise a particular side, no matter what that side has done, slip a long way down in my estimation.0 -
secretsqirrel said:
I quite like Jon Stewart, he did an interesting show with Ian Hislop, which was on Youtube which was worth a look.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:
You should watch some of the stuff he has to say about Trump.briantrumpet said:bikes_and_dogs said:Anyone here like Bill Maher? Left leaning but pro-western atheist. You may or may not agree with everything he says but at least he's sometimes funny and often insightful. I wish we had current affairs presenters like him in the UK.
Check out his "New Rules"
He's a weird one... I'm not sure he's always 'left leaning'.
Yeah, seen that, but it is playing to his audience. I don't actually know what he stands for, other than realising Trump is nuts. His anti-muslim stance is not up for debate: his cynicism goes out of the window.
Just watched the clip - I'm impressed. More media presenters like him please.
I feel that our UK interviewers are far too deferential to their guests.
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I would argue Friday/Saturday night live with Ben Elton was before that, he was always having a go at Thatch with comic aplomb.0
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Occupation it is then. Remind me why they left in 2005?0 -
Quite remarkable. Well, it ought to be, but standard for Braverman. It's not even a Trumpian "There very very fine people on both sides"; it's just a inversion of the truth.
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I would pay good money to see Frankie Boyle present Question Time.0
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Finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said “I welcome the initiative of the voluntary emigration of Gaza Arabs to countries around the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region after 75 years of refugees, poverty and danger. The State of Israel will no longer be able to accept the existence of an independent entity in Gaza0
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What do people think it is about Sudan that just doesn't get them exercised?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/corpses-on-streets-sudans-rsf-kills-1300-in-darfur-monitors-saySudan’s Rapid Support Forces (RSF) besieged a camp for displaced people on November 2 after attacking a nearby army base in West Darfur. Over the next three days, the paramilitary group committed what may amount to the single largest mass killing since the civil war erupted in April.
Local monitors told Al Jazeera that about 1,300 people were killed, 2,000 injured and 310 remain missing.
“They went house to house to search for men and killed each one they found,” said Montesser Saddam*, who barely escaped the killing and arrived in Chad on Sunday. “There were so many corpses in the streets.”
The latest atrocities are part of a wider campaign by the RSF and its allied militias to eradicate the non-Arab Masalit tribe from West Darfur, according to activists and survivors.
Since the start of Sudan’s civil war, the United Nations and Western governments have condemned the systematic killing and displacement of the Masalit from their land. But the criticism and concern have not deterred the RSF from carrying out more atrocities.
https://www.ft.com/content/8855cfed-f02e-4e26-abba-12de5e84117a
“It’s a catastrophic situation, which is just getting worse and worse,” said Toby Harward, deputy humanitarian co-ordinator for Darfur for the UN’s refugee agency UNHCR. “Hundreds of thousands of civilians and displaced people are now in great danger in El Fasher.” He said the number of people in need of humanitarian assistance in Sudan has topped 25mn — more than half the country’s population.
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It doesn't involve western powers. Not saying that is right, but what are the realistic options for the west in Sudan?rick_chasey said:What do people think it is about Sudan that just doesn't get them exercised?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/corpses-on-streets-sudans-rsf-kills-1300-in-darfur-monitors-say
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I just find the whole hysteria we see in Europe and the US really pathetic, desperately trying to import some form of culture wars to make themselves feel better, under the banner of 'caring for humanity' when there's something worse happening on an even grater scale just as far away.TheBigBean said:
It doesn't involve western powers. Not saying that is right, but what are the realistic options for the west in Sudan?rick_chasey said:What do people think it is about Sudan that just doesn't get them exercised?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/corpses-on-streets-sudans-rsf-kills-1300-in-darfur-monitors-say
I am deeply sceptical about anyone who feels that strongly about the Gaza/Israel thing and not other similar issues; I am pretty sure it is just being used as a vehicle for them to vent their anti-semitism or islamophobia, depending which they prefer.0 -
Sudan is also not a country I have been to beyond the tarmac in Khartoum, so I don't have much knowledge. That said, everyone I have met who has been there has raved about it. The level of hospitality in muslim countries is always a plus for the traveller.0
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Possibly not so right now…TheBigBean said:Sudan is also not a country I have been to beyond the tarmac in Khartoum, so I don't have much knowledge. That said, everyone I have met who has been there has raved about it. The level of hospitality in muslim countries is always a plus for the traveller.
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I don't really agree with this interpretation. As I said, I just think it involves western powers with western weapons and western funding.rick_chasey said:
I just find the whole hysteria we see in Europe and the US really pathetic, desperately trying to import some form of culture wars to make themselves feel better, under the banner of 'caring for humanity' when there's something worse happening on an even grater scale just as far away.TheBigBean said:
It doesn't involve western powers. Not saying that is right, but what are the realistic options for the west in Sudan?rick_chasey said:What do people think it is about Sudan that just doesn't get them exercised?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/corpses-on-streets-sudans-rsf-kills-1300-in-darfur-monitors-say
I am deeply sceptical about anyone who feels that strongly about the Gaza/Israel thing and not other similar issues; I am pretty sure it is just being used as a vehicle for them to vent their anti-semitism or islamophobia, depending which they prefer.0 -
I think the interest is comparable to the interest in South African apartheid.0
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The marches etc on the weekend were very ugly when it comes to islamophobia and anti-semitism.
Really ugly stuff, and you are seeing it pop over all over the place. Beyond official outlets I have not really seen anyone commenting on it who doesn't show tropes of either one or the other.0 -
I have commented on it. What is my sin?rick_chasey said:The marches etc on the weekend were very ugly when it comes to islamophobia and anti-semitism.
Really ugly stuff, and you are seeing it pop over all over the place. Beyond official outlets I have not really seen anyone commenting on it who doesn't show tropes of either one or the other.0 -
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TheBigBean said:Finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said “I welcome the initiative of the voluntary emigration of Gaza Arabs to countries around the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region after 75 years of refugees, poverty and danger. The State of Israel will no longer be able to accept the existence of an independent entity in Gaza
I think some of Netanyahu's more fervent supporters are saying the quiet part out loud. This isn't about Hamas, it's about Gaza as Palestinian state per se. It looks very much like Russian's attempted demolition of Ukraine: they just want the territory, and then rebuild from scratch, with an imported population. They've been waiting for (and maybe encouraging) Hamas atrocities to give the pretext. They know they've got the firepower to flatten Gaza without regard to the human cost.0 -
Also in the news - incompetence, laziness and quite possibly corruption in our public services. Particularly the Police and NHS workers
As a child I was taught a simple mantra "Don't be a grass". With the hindsight of a long life, I realise that it is a fundamentally flawed ideal.
Until honest, hardworking public servants are empowered to call out folk that don't don't do their jobs properly, then the reputation of the vast majority of them will continue to be tarnished by chancers that rely on Omerta.
Lucy Letby, Stephen Lawrence, Maternity ward scandal etc.0 -
My wife is a nurse. It is well known that those receiving the biggest punishment are the whistleblowers. Upside down system if you ask me.bikes_and_dogs said:Also in the news - incompetence, laziness and quite possibly corruption in our public services. Particularly the Police and NHS workers
As a child I was taught a simple mantra "Don't be a grass". With the hindsight of a long life, I realise that it is a fundamentally flawed ideal.
Until honest, hardworking public servants are empowered to call out folk that don't don't do their jobs properly, then the reputation of the vast majority of them will continue to be tarnished by chancers that rely on Omerta.
Lucy Letby, Stephen Lawrence etc.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
One positive is uncapped damages for whistleblower.pblakeney said:
My wife is a nurse. It is well known that those receiving the biggest punishment are the whistleblowers. Upside down system if you ask me.bikes_and_dogs said:Also in the news - incompetence, laziness and quite possibly corruption in our public services. Particularly the Police and NHS workers
As a child I was taught a simple mantra "Don't be a grass". With the hindsight of a long life, I realise that it is a fundamentally flawed ideal.
Until honest, hardworking public servants are empowered to call out folk that don't don't do their jobs properly, then the reputation of the vast majority of them will continue to be tarnished by chancers that rely on Omerta.
Lucy Letby, Stephen Lawrence etc.0 -
Israel have accused Hamas of hiding evidence of the hospital being a military site.0
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I read yesterday someone saying IDF actually built it in 1983. Who knows.TheBigBean said:Israel have accused Hamas of hiding evidence of the hospital being a military site.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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If I was a betting man and was forced to have a large wager on who was telling porkies, I would be backing Hamas. Time will tell and I will be eating a large portion of Humble Pie if I've backed the wrong horse.TheBigBean said:Israel have accused Hamas of hiding evidence of the hospital being a military site.
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https://youtu.be/dspmCsq7ghw?si=vufVj1hXnD-asF71
