2023 Transfer rumours and confirmed moves

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  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    I'm already looking at start lists on the woman's side and if SD Worx are riding dropping that race to the bottom of watching priority.
    Really don't want to do this on the men's side as well. It's close enough to it at the moment with the current JV team.

    Combine JV and QS (or QS and INEOS)? It'll certainly reduce my enthusiasm for watching.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Senechal to Arkea-Samsic:

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908


    This is what competitive cycling looks like
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908


    Not so much
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,228
    daniel_b said:

    super_davo said:



    The only sensible explanation I can think of it's it's a way of smoking out Ineos. Looking at the respective teams, an Ineos/SQS merger makes a lot of sense; you would make a great classics team out of the two and Ineos get the GC leader they need.

    This is not being snarky at all, I'm just not understanding the highlighted phrase properly :#

    When you say smoke out, is that as in to force them to make a much better offer or something, or simply to bring them to the table at all, as otherwise they feel like they will likely be outgunned for years to come.

    As for the 2nd part, yep, could not agree more, it seemed so logical, it felt like it was destined to happen.
    mididoctors said:

    Do people think all this turmoil is in part a function of fiscal tightening across the board .


    Seems entirely likely, more and more issues securing sponsors, and what sponsors there are will probably go for the more sure fire bets, such as footballing etc etc.
    Smoking out basically means forcing them to make a move.

    From what has been rumoured there were talks about an Ineos SQS merger that met an impasse. Since then Ineos have been looking at making signings, suggesting they are hedging their bets for 2024. The JV SQS merger would take away what is still probably the best option, unless they come back to the table.

    Pat, for all his faults, has always been a wily negotiator.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,985
    Understood fully now, cheers :)
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  • Pross
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    super_davo said:

    stage_hunter said:

    markwb79 said:

    I really can't wrap my head around this.

    What's in it for Jumbo-Visma?
    I can only think of Remco that would add to the team really.
    I dont see Remco wanting to be anything other than the top person in a team, he is never going to ride for Vingegaard. And being in the same team or race as WvA?

    Maybe they are bring a sponsor or two, but why dont just the sponsors move over?

    That is a lot of good riders going onto the free market now. It's also going to bring down the average salary I would have thought.

    Just weird

    I dont totally get it. But it’s longer term cost savings- at the expense of entertainment sadly.
    The only sensible explanation I can think of it's it's a way of smoking out Ineos. Looking at the respective teams, an Ineos/SQS merger makes a lot of sense; you would make a great classics team out of the two and Ineos get the GC leader they need.

    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster" but there is no denying that the strongest riders between the two are 90% Jumbos.
    Still not convinced by that. It might upgrade their chances but I still don't see them winning the Tour if they get Remco.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,124
    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

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  • joeyhalloran
    joeyhalloran Posts: 1,080
    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Did they say why?!
  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,228
    Pross said:

    super_davo said:

    stage_hunter said:

    markwb79 said:

    I really can't wrap my head around this.

    What's in it for Jumbo-Visma?
    I can only think of Remco that would add to the team really.
    I dont see Remco wanting to be anything other than the top person in a team, he is never going to ride for Vingegaard. And being in the same team or race as WvA?

    Maybe they are bring a sponsor or two, but why dont just the sponsors move over?

    That is a lot of good riders going onto the free market now. It's also going to bring down the average salary I would have thought.

    Just weird

    I dont totally get it. But it’s longer term cost savings- at the expense of entertainment sadly.
    The only sensible explanation I can think of it's it's a way of smoking out Ineos. Looking at the respective teams, an Ineos/SQS merger makes a lot of sense; you would make a great classics team out of the two and Ineos get the GC leader they need.

    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster" but there is no denying that the strongest riders between the two are 90% Jumbos.
    Still not convinced by that. It might upgrade their chances but I still don't see them winning the Tour if they get Remco.
    I'd agree with your assessment. But a pretty significant upgrade. Also he's still only 23 and would likely benefit from their support and experience as a GC focused team, especially on tactics.
  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 913
    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Just him, or all 23 of next year's contracted riders?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Bouhanni to retire at the end of the season.

  • mididoctors
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    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Fired or let go?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    He is still a dam strong rider
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    andyp said:

    Bouhanni to retire at the end of the season.

    I think that leaves retirement as about the only thing he hasn't fought in his career.
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  • davidof
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    mididoctors said:

    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Fired or let go?
    made redundant, the whole team apparently

    https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Le-licenciement-du-personnel-de-soudal-quick-step-annonce-ce-lundi/1422999

    Evenepoel to Ineos without having to pay a penny, apparently.
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  • mididoctors
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    davidof said:

    mididoctors said:

    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Fired or let go?
    made redundant, the whole team apparently

    https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Le-licenciement-du-personnel-de-soudal-quick-step-annonce-ce-lundi/1422999

    Evenepoel to Ineos without having to pay a penny, apparently.
    That's an end of an era ...
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,985
    This article claims it is not the case.

    https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/were-soudal-quick-step-riders-told-they-are-free-to-leave-or-not/?mc_cid=e96e175908&mc_eid=df5e703c07
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  • andyp
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  • stage_hunter
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    davidof said:

    mididoctors said:

    davidof said:

    super_davo said:



    I think Alaphillipe and Asgreen might object to banner of "won't add anything to JV roster"

    Alaphillipe has been fired according to the French press. Guess that will give him a bit more time at home to work on his garden.

    Fired or let go?
    made redundant, the whole team apparently

    https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Le-licenciement-du-personnel-de-soudal-quick-step-annonce-ce-lundi/1422999

    Evenepoel to Ineos without having to pay a penny, apparently.
    If this were true, why bother with the merger. The value in SQS is in the rider contracts and the world tour licence. It makes no sense for Jumbo to do this unless they are getting some rider contracts. They have a WT licence already.

    I guess the Sponsor is the other thing, but they have another year to replace Jumbo I thought. Jumbo are obviously paying the owners of SQS something. Perhaps shares in Plugge’s company, perhaps cash.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    This from Dan Benson yesterday on X


  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,985
    Yep, that was buried in the cyclingmagazine link I posted.

    I hope it's not true, what a way for such a team to die completely, would be very sad.

    I've always like JA's riding style, I hope he can get back to his best, and find a suitable home - didn't realise that he has spent his entire pro career with them, since 2013.
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  • kingstongraham
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    If the riders have a contract, they can't just be told that it's over, surely. It's not like the team has gone bust.

    They'd need to settle with the riders based on the future value of the contract even if they wanted no transfer fee.
  • andyrac
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    It's an absolute 5hitshow.....and reflects badly on the sport, and the viability of the sport. Still relying on handouts from sponsors...
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  • kingstongraham
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    andyrac said:

    It's an absolute 5hitshow.....and reflects badly on the sport, and the viability of the sport. Still relying on handouts from sponsors...

    But if (as seems likely) it ends up with Vingegaard, Evenepoel, Roglic and Pogacar all at different teams with decent money behind them, and also Evenepoel, Pogacar, Van Aert and Van Der Poel all at different teams, then we have some racing on our hands, don't we?
  • joeyhalloran
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    kingstongraham said:

    andyrac said:

    It's an absolute 5hitshow.....and reflects badly on the sport, and the viability of the sport. Still relying on handouts from sponsors...

    But if (as seems likely) it ends up with Vingegaard, Evenepoel, Roglic and Pogacar all at different teams with decent money behind them, and also Evenepoel, Pogacar, Van Aert and Van Der Poel all at different teams, then we have some racing on our hands, don't we?
    I don't think it will make much difference tbh, the only change is Roglic and he can't really compete with the others when everyone is 100%
  • kingstongraham
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    Roglic has finished 7 GTs since 2019 and not been off the podium in any of them.
  • joeyhalloran
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    But how many times has he beaten Vingegaard or Pogacar and, more recently, Evenepoel?

    Basically changing who comes 3rd or 4th and the Tour isn't going to make a season that much more exciting.
  • kingstongraham
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    I'd say he made the 2020 Tour pretty exciting, and him on a different team would have made the 2023 Vuelta more exciting.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,985
    joeyhalloran said:

    But how many times has he beaten Vingegaard or Pogacar and, more recently, Evenepoel?

    I appreciate it is not a GT, but Roglic beat Evenopoel at the Volta a Catalunya earlier this year.
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