The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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I'm not in Sevenoaks, rather a village near there, although clearly I won't say exactly where as I don't want hoardes of pitchfork wielding lefties descending on merjsterry said:
I work in central London, not at home (behind the sofa I think you used to call it) so don't need any more time commuting. The ULEZ has already improved air quality in central London but there's still plenty of room for improvement out in the outer boroughs like Sutton and Bromley. Here's the PM 2.5 trace for this week, for example.Stevo_666 said:
Not upset, just pointing out that you used a lazy stereotype, which you seem to be annoyed about. It might make a difference in the centre of London bit out in the leafy suburbs the difference is probably naff all. Parts of Bromley Borough that will be in the expanded zone are properly rural.rjsterry said:
Not sure it is any of the Home Counties' business. And pretty rich of you to get upset about lazy stereotypes. Sure it will inconvenience some people. It's pretty f***ing inconvenient having my children on daily steroid inhalers. It's not as though there aren't alternatives.Stevo_666 said:
Luckily the outer London boroughs and home counties councils arerjsterry said:
Oh, won't someone think of the clapped out van drivers?Stevo_666 said:And in the meantime, Citizen Khan is having a few headaches with his latest fund raising initiative:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/18/sadiq-khans-ulez-expansion-could-blocked-downing-street/
Given that the ULEZ expansion was a condition of the Covid bailout of TfL by the government, they'd have a bit of a nerve to now demand it is removed.
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/13/ulez-rebellion-grows-home-counties-refuse-co-operate-sadiq-khan/
Seems as if they've thought further than your lazy stereotype of non compliant car owners and considered car workers, teachers, nurses etc.
As I've said before, the air is better out here so move out if you really want good air, ULEZ or no ULEZ.
So, we know there's harmful levels of pollution even in the leafy suburbs on the edge of London (and even in Sevenoaks if you look), and we know removing older vehicles, especially diesels helps reduce this. What's unfair about the people who are contributing more of that pollution having to pay?
By the way, I checked and Sevenoaks was slightly worse than Sutton last week.
The air quality out here is rather good, ta.
However it seems you've been in Sutton for years, including times when the ULEZ didn't exist or was Central London only. So clearly it can't have been that critical for you otherwise you'd have moved before now. And even if it does expand, you'll still have tens of thousands of slightly newer cars driving around near you. So as advised above, escape to the country...
The main objections of the councils who are putting up objections are that those impacted are not being given enough time or support (e.g. scrappage schemes) to adjust."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
focuszing723 said:
I bet the reality of the situation is the wifes pushing for an SUV for the family.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
This. It’s a bit rich saying ‘but China’ when a large part of their emissions is from producing stuff for western consumers. If genuinely worried that they aren’t doing enough we should clamp down on imports until they clean up their manufacturing processes.Jezyboy said:Amazing what you can do when you export your dirty manufacturing to other countries.
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rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. If you lead, others may follow.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We have 2 dogs, so seems a perfectly good reason to own a car.kingstongraham said:If I didn't have dogs, I'd probably just use a car share scheme rather than owning.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Agreed, but it also may be another way of cutting off our nose to spite our face unless the big country does it too.Pross said:
This. It’s a bit rich saying ‘but China’ when a large part of their emissions is from producing stuff for western consumers. If genuinely worried that they aren’t doing enough we should clamp down on imports until they clean up their manufacturing processes.Jezyboy said:Amazing what you can do when you export your dirty manufacturing to other countries.
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That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.0 -
The Great Filter theory proposes that Intelligent life develops to the point it can destroy itself and then promptly does exactly that. This happens long before they develop the ability to communicate with intelligent alien life.focuszing723 said:It would be fascinating to see how other evolved planets have developed in lots of different ways. It would/will be great when we can at least communicate with other intelligent matter forms, hopefully in a positive way.
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You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Surely it's important enough an issue for you to make some sacrifices?rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.0 -
My objection was to the simplistic argument that we shouldn't try too hard because China. All countries need to do better and China isn't particularly high up the list. As TBB has explained much better than me, what the UK does as a member of the G7 also has an outsized influence beyond it's borderskingstongraham said:
You were the one who told me to go look at it. Just did what I was asked and you're still not happy.rjsterry said:
Great, so we are now doing a bit better than China. Just the following list to work through before we get to China.kingstongraham said:rjsterry said:
Look at the per capita graph. China is way lower. They just have a lot of people. If they are not to end up with UK levels of per capita emissions - or God help us, US levels - we need to be showing what can be done as quickly as possible. UK is a pretty good country to use as a prototype.kingstongraham said:
Easy wins, great. And if they result in something that is useful like reduced energy consumption then double great. But you see the graph, right?rjsterry said:
We are in absolutely no danger of 'going overboard'. We can barely bring ourselves to prioritise double glazing over 'heritage issues'. And China is doing something about it's 30%. Which per capita is still well down the table.kingstongraham said:
For emissions that have a global impact what's the point in the UK going overboard to reduce our 1% of global emissions if China doesn't do anything about its 30%? To make us feel better about ourselves?TheBigBean said:
Yes.kingstongraham said:
Is it controversial to say I don't think this is entirely bollox?rjsterry said:
Clearly not. It's the 'the problem is too big for me to change on my own so why should I make any effort?' attitude. See also all the bollox about China being a much bigger emitter of CO2 so UK shouldn't bother making any efforts.rick_chasey said:
You're equating driving to littering?TheBigBean said:
Just feels weird to me.rick_chasey said:
I like how everyone makes out i'm driving my car the whole time. I regularly don't go near it for a fortnight. It's literally growing moss in the window seals.TheBigBean said:
Whilst I understand the point you have made about the structure of the system, it does feel like you could do a bit more walking the walk.rick_chasey said:
Don't hate the player, hate the gamefocuszing723 said:You should get a fair amount for your Polo, given the strong new and used car market.
That's quite a few taxi trips and hire cars.
My entire point is that the system is *not set up* to avoid using the car.
So, I don't really understand why I would, in this system, avoid using the car?
I have no moral objection to the car. I recognise that the car cannot for reasons repeated ad-nauseum that cars can't be the future for various reasons, so it makes sense to prepare for that future now.
I remember a chap moaning to me in India about the state of India. How dirty it was with rubbish everywhere. He then threw some rubbish out the window. That was the system - it wasn't up to him to clean up the country as he felt someone else should.
Given our smaller population and temperate climate we have one of the easiest wins in terms of reductions.
New Caledonia
Trinidad and Tobago
Bahrain
Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Gibraltar
Brunei
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Curacao
Australia
Canada
Kazakhstan
United States
Turkmenistan
Luxembourg
Seychelles
South Korea
Mongolia
Taiwan
Russia
Estonia
Falkland Islands
Singapore
Iceland
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Japan
Greenland
Serbia
Montenegro
Iran
Your list does kind of reinforce my thinking.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It does show that the data you are basing your conclusions on is out of date.rjsterry said:
My objection was to the simplistic argument that we shouldn't try too hard because China. All countries need to do better and China isn't particularly high up the list. As TBB has explained much better than me, what the UK does as a member of the G7 also has an outsized influence beyond it's borderskingstongraham said:
You were the one who told me to go look at it. Just did what I was asked and you're still not happy.rjsterry said:
Great, so we are now doing a bit better than China. Just the following list to work through before we get to China.kingstongraham said:rjsterry said:
Look at the per capita graph. China is way lower. They just have a lot of people. If they are not to end up with UK levels of per capita emissions - or God help us, US levels - we need to be showing what can be done as quickly as possible. UK is a pretty good country to use as a prototype.kingstongraham said:
Easy wins, great. And if they result in something that is useful like reduced energy consumption then double great. But you see the graph, right?rjsterry said:
We are in absolutely no danger of 'going overboard'. We can barely bring ourselves to prioritise double glazing over 'heritage issues'. And China is doing something about it's 30%. Which per capita is still well down the table.kingstongraham said:
For emissions that have a global impact what's the point in the UK going overboard to reduce our 1% of global emissions if China doesn't do anything about its 30%? To make us feel better about ourselves?TheBigBean said:
Yes.kingstongraham said:
Is it controversial to say I don't think this is entirely bollox?rjsterry said:
Clearly not. It's the 'the problem is too big for me to change on my own so why should I make any effort?' attitude. See also all the bollox about China being a much bigger emitter of CO2 so UK shouldn't bother making any efforts.rick_chasey said:
You're equating driving to littering?TheBigBean said:
Just feels weird to me.rick_chasey said:
I like how everyone makes out i'm driving my car the whole time. I regularly don't go near it for a fortnight. It's literally growing moss in the window seals.TheBigBean said:
Whilst I understand the point you have made about the structure of the system, it does feel like you could do a bit more walking the walk.rick_chasey said:
Don't hate the player, hate the gamefocuszing723 said:You should get a fair amount for your Polo, given the strong new and used car market.
That's quite a few taxi trips and hire cars.
My entire point is that the system is *not set up* to avoid using the car.
So, I don't really understand why I would, in this system, avoid using the car?
I have no moral objection to the car. I recognise that the car cannot for reasons repeated ad-nauseum that cars can't be the future for various reasons, so it makes sense to prepare for that future now.
I remember a chap moaning to me in India about the state of India. How dirty it was with rubbish everywhere. He then threw some rubbish out the window. That was the system - it wasn't up to him to clean up the country as he felt someone else should.
Given our smaller population and temperate climate we have one of the easiest wins in terms of reductions.
New Caledonia
Trinidad and Tobago
Bahrain
Kuwait
United Arab Emirates
Gibraltar
Brunei
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Curacao
Australia
Canada
Kazakhstan
United States
Turkmenistan
Luxembourg
Seychelles
South Korea
Mongolia
Taiwan
Russia
Estonia
Falkland Islands
Singapore
Iceland
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Japan
Greenland
Serbia
Montenegro
Iran
Your list does kind of reinforce my thinking.0 -
I guess that would explain it. Although wouldn't one intelligent matter form make it for whatever reason?davebradswmb said:
The Great Filter theory proposes that Intelligent life develops to the point it can destroy itself and then promptly does exactly that. This happens long before they develop the ability to communicate with intelligent alien life.focuszing723 said:It would be fascinating to see how other evolved planets have developed in lots of different ways. It would/will be great when we can at least communicate with other intelligent matter forms, hopefully in a positive way.
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We can always hope, or else we haven't got long to go.focuszing723 said:
I guess that would explain it. Although wouldn't one intelligent matter form make it for whatever reason?davebradswmb said:
The Great Filter theory proposes that Intelligent life develops to the point it can destroy itself and then promptly does exactly that. This happens long before they develop the ability to communicate with intelligent alien life.focuszing723 said:It would be fascinating to see how other evolved planets have developed in lots of different ways. It would/will be great when we can at least communicate with other intelligent matter forms, hopefully in a positive way.
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Civilisations have failed, but then new ones arise. Then when the jumps made into space...
I don't get either the point of an advanced intelligence eradicating each other when the Universe is so vast and expanding. Why fight when you can find other planets.
There must be Solar systems which are lucky enough to have habital planets close by aiding the evolutionary jump.0 -
When you *can't* use a car, you realise that it isn't actually as difficult as some would have you believe.rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
You think anything the government is going to do will be cheap, far less future proof?rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.
Don't expect private enterprise to be any cheaper. If the future is green it is expensive.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Depends where you are. That's again, my point.rjsterry said:
When you *can't* use a car, you realise that it isn't actually as difficult as some would have you believe.rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.
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Yeah. Even if we nuke ourselves to bits though Earth should eventually recover. Then think of all the information left another evolving civilization will be able to use and hopefully learn from our biggest mistake.davebradswmb said:
We can always hope, or else we haven't got long to go.focuszing723 said:
I guess that would explain it. Although wouldn't one intelligent matter form make it for whatever reason?davebradswmb said:
The Great Filter theory proposes that Intelligent life develops to the point it can destroy itself and then promptly does exactly that. This happens long before they develop the ability to communicate with intelligent alien life.focuszing723 said:It would be fascinating to see how other evolved planets have developed in lots of different ways. It would/will be great when we can at least communicate with other intelligent matter forms, hopefully in a positive way.
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Computers, phones, cars, planes, solar panels, wind generators...Bits will remain.0
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4.3bn years old, Universe 13.7!0
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Perhaps we just haven't discovered it yet.0
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Anyway. Look, are you floggin that Polo or not?0
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I've done rural Worcestershire and rural Devon so far.rick_chasey said:
Depends where you are. That's again, my point.rjsterry said:
When you *can't* use a car, you realise that it isn't actually as difficult as some would have you believe.rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Unless my MIL moves, she is housebound following a stroke which means she's not allowed to drive.rjsterry said:
I've done rural Worcestershire and rural Devon so far.rick_chasey said:
Depends where you are. That's again, my point.rjsterry said:
When you *can't* use a car, you realise that it isn't actually as difficult as some would have you believe.rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.
All the bus routes, etc, have all been shut down. That's basic. She's in the burbs of a big town. No-one there cycles - it's lethal if you do - and everyone drives.0 -
That's an optimistic view, but I think the likes of Stevo will ensure the destruction of this planet before we find another planet we can live on. And that is how the Great Filter works.focuszing723 said:Civilisations have failed, but then new ones arise. Then when the jumps made into space...
I don't get either the point of an advanced intelligence eradicating each other when the Universe is so vast and expanding. Why fight when you can find other planets.
There must be Solar systems which are lucky enough to have habital planets close by aiding the evolutionary jump.0 -
This is what I mean - I don't think Stevo driving his car in a way that makes it go more brrm brrm is going to be the thing that makes the difference between killing the planet or not.0
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Only one intelligent matter form has to survive though.davebradswmb said:
That's an optimistic view, but I think the likes of Stevo will ensure the destruction of this planet before we find another planet we can live on. And that is how the Great Filter works.focuszing723 said:Civilisations have failed, but then new ones arise. Then when the jumps made into space...
I don't get either the point of an advanced intelligence eradicating each other when the Universe is so vast and expanding. Why fight when you can find other planets.
There must be Solar systems which are lucky enough to have habital planets close by aiding the evolutionary jump.
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Is this true? People used to tell me that about London after I'd cycled there for years.rick_chasey said:
Unless my MIL moves, she is housebound following a stroke which means she's not allowed to drive.rjsterry said:
I've done rural Worcestershire and rural Devon so far.rick_chasey said:
Depends where you are. That's again, my point.rjsterry said:
When you *can't* use a car, you realise that it isn't actually as difficult as some would have you believe.rick_chasey said:
Paying for lease cars and taxis is not investment in future proofing the systempblakeney said:
You can pay up front or pay taxes to subsidise the future infrastructure.rick_chasey said:
That's literally my point.Stevo_666 said:rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Being virtuous and leading by example doesnt' always come cheap. .rick_chasey said:
Not sure you quite appreciate how expensive taxis & rentals are nowadays.focuszing723 said:
Surely you'd get a fair chunk for you're car then there are the costs of keeping it on the road. You've already said you don't use it much.rick_chasey said:
That’s too expensive!focuszing723 said:You could use a taxi and hire a car for long trip. There is an alternative for you.
I know a millionaire who does that. Alas, that’s not me.
Be under no illusion, you will pay.
All the bus routes, etc, have all been shut down. That's basic. She's in the burbs of a big town. No-one there cycles - it's lethal if you do - and everyone drives.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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