The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)

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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,283

    I'm really nice about computers and technology so I'd be alright, the rest of you skin shedders though...

    I beg your pardon; i'm pondlife not reptilian.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,283
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:



    The realities of being a landlord and the realities of going eco. Probably quite an education for some people on here.

    If you're too small a scale landlord to afford the necessary capex to make the country sustainable, I'd suggest getting out of the game.

    The reality of property ownership is that investment is going to be required in order to keep the buildings sustainable.

    Real estate produces roughly 30% of all emissions globally. Either suck it up or sell to someone who does have the capital spare.
    What makes you think there are enough large scale landlords out there?
    I do not understand the statement 'Real estate produces roughly 30% of all emissions globally'.

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    real estate
    /ˈrɪəl ɪˌsteɪt,ˈrɪəl ɛˌsteɪt/
    nounNORTH AMERICAN
    property consisting of land or buildings.
    "most of her real estate is in New Mexico"

    All real estate has a carbon footprint. Even your condo Rick.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,279
    edited September 2023
    This shouldn't give anyone anything to cheer about. Well, apart from petrolheads and oil companies, I suppose.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,512
    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:



    The realities of being a landlord and the realities of going eco. Probably quite an education for some people on here.

    If you're too small a scale landlord to afford the necessary capex to make the country sustainable, I'd suggest getting out of the game.

    The reality of property ownership is that investment is going to be required in order to keep the buildings sustainable.

    Real estate produces roughly 30% of all emissions globally. Either suck it up or sell to someone who does have the capital spare.
    What makes you think there are enough large scale landlords out there?
    I do not understand the statement 'Real estate produces roughly 30% of all emissions globally'.

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    real estate
    /ˈrɪəl ɪˌsteɪt,ˈrɪəl ɛˌsteɪt/
    nounNORTH AMERICAN
    property consisting of land or buildings.
    "most of her real estate is in New Mexico"

    All real estate has a carbon footprint. Even your condo Rick.
    Think it's a clumsy way of saying that heating and lighting of buildings uses a lot of energy and creates a lot of carbon emissions. Which is not untrue.

    Just to reiterate what Pross was saying if you have already done the things you say, this may be enough (notwithstanding that I'm not familiar with the rules north of the border). Obviously you would need to get an up to date EPC to confirm this but you'll need to get one of these if you are selling anyway.
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,601

    This shouldn't give anyone anything to cheer about. Well, apart from petrolheads and oil companies, I suppose.

    Not sure the map says what he thinks it says. Most journeys outside of London being done by car doesn't necessarily mean that poor people drive. Just that people not driving are using the second most popular service.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2023
    Since when the Tories give a sh!t about poor people?!

    How about poor people disproportionately suffer from pollution? Hmm?

    How about the fact they’ve done their upmost to keep everyone f@cking poorer, idiots.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461

    Since when the Tories give a sh!t about poor people?!

    How about poor people disproportionately suffer from pollution? Hmm?

    How about the fact they’ve done their upmost to keep everyone f@cking poorer, idiots.

    Since they saw them as potential voters last time around. They won't actually do anything to help them but make a few noises on 'controversial' policies mentioning the poor in the hope it dupes them again.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    They're interested in the poor when it suits the argument, not in actually helping the poor.

    What he means is, "here's an argument that suits my interest which in no way suits the poor, but by framing it this way it's harder for the left to counter" even though it is with even a modicum of rational thought.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Which is pretty much what I was trying to get at. 'The poor' get invoked on here in a similar way even though I suspect very few have much of a clue of what being poor is like.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Not sure you need to have been poor to understand what policies help and which don't, but OK.

    Let's not get all apostolic here. It's not a virtuous situation to be in.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Spotted this place https://www.spokesafe.com/newport while walking through Newport earlier. Would definitely use it if I was still commuting and might do for quick trips into town or if I rejoin the gym. Secure parking indoors plus a locker at a cost of £1 per day. It’s certainly the sort of thing that’s needed. Right by the bus station and 5 minutes walk from the train station.

    I assume lots of places have something similar but I’d never noticed one before. The price is ridiculously cheap but it seemed to be quite well used.
  • Pross said:

    Spotted this place https://www.spokesafe.com/newport while walking through Newport earlier. Would definitely use it if I was still commuting and might do for quick trips into town or if I rejoin the gym. Secure parking indoors plus a locker at a cost of £1 per day. It’s certainly the sort of thing that’s needed. Right by the bus station and 5 minutes walk from the train station.

    I assume lots of places have something similar but I’d never noticed one before. The price is ridiculously cheap but it seemed to be quite well used.


    Seems a bit odd... max they can make is £38 per day for providing the service.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461

    Pross said:

    Spotted this place https://www.spokesafe.com/newport while walking through Newport earlier. Would definitely use it if I was still commuting and might do for quick trips into town or if I rejoin the gym. Secure parking indoors plus a locker at a cost of £1 per day. It’s certainly the sort of thing that’s needed. Right by the bus station and 5 minutes walk from the train station.

    I assume lots of places have something similar but I’d never noticed one before. The price is ridiculously cheap but it seemed to be quite well used.


    Seems a bit odd... max they can make is £38 per day for providing the service.
    I assume it is some kind of social venture / charity. The company my wife works for is going to be hiring some spaces from them.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Also, whilst it is £1 per day I assume people will often just need an hour or so.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    On the 20mph zone, the Council area I live in have been really organised and had the signs up months ago with a peel off covering that was removed a week or so before the limit came in.

    Another Council that starts a mile or so up the road appeared to have kept quite a few roads at 30mph which surprised me when driving through on Monday. By Thursday when I next went that way some 30 signs for down with no new signs, some had been replaced with 20mph signs and others haven’t been touched.

    In one section there is a 20mph sign as you come in from one direction (albeit with a 30mph marking still on the road) but as you come in from the other direction it is still showing as 30mph!

    On ULEZ a friend of my got a dreaded letter for going into the zone in a non-compliant vehicle without paying. However, instead of a fine they just gave him a warning - that doesn’t seem very much like milking drivers as a cash cow.
  • katani
    katani Posts: 140
    edited September 2023
    I have always thought dude was smarter than this.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHnuaJLTM44&lc=UgzQjr91T-F-FELSN194AaABAg.9uZ1LXKahrm9v07mbtbXVt

    Had such a great opportunity to bash on drivers for using mobile phones and focus purely on the safety aspect, but, completely unprovoked, had to make it into a cyclists vs. motorists / everyone else argument. At the same time handing that smug barrister a loaded gun and obviously a barrister being a barrister welcomed this gift with open hands and used against him by diverting the original topic of the discussion into a "cyclists are just as bad" area.
    He's also not winning anybody in the public of which the vast majority are drivers (except his cult-like following on his YT channel) by stating on the national TV that the UK is the most hostile country for cyclists in Europe. Speak for yourself pal, because I know far worse places.
    I really thought Mikey was smarter.
  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,220
    katani said:

    I have always thought dude was smarter than this.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHnuaJLTM44&lc=UgzQjr91T-F-FELSN194AaABAg.9uZ1LXKahrm9v07mbtbXVt

    Had such a great opportunity to bash on drivers for using mobile phones and focus purely on the safety aspect, but, completely unprovoked, had to make it into a cyclists vs. motorists / everyone else argument. At the same time handing that smug barrister a loaded gun and obviously a barrister being a barrister welcomed this gift with open hands and used against him by diverting the original topic of the discussion into a "cyclists are just as bad" area.
    He's also not winning anybody in the public of which the vast majority are drivers (except his cult-like following on his YT channel) by stating on the national TV that the UK is the most hostile country for cyclists in Europe. Speak for yourself pal, because I know far worse places.
    I really thought Mikey was smarter.

    I don't think he is... I believe he started doing what he does because of "road safety campaigning" and his personal history. But whether he acknowledges this himself or not, there are conflicts of interest between this goal and him being a successful Youtube content creator and media personality. So many of his tactics are about looking for minor indiscretions and getting in a confrontation about it. He can back this up by reporting to police and saying the number of prosecutions his filming has led to, but whether consciously or not, he knows if he doesn't get views, he doesn't get income, he doesn't get on the GMB sofa or on the phone ins.

    Compare and contrast with Chris Boardman, who has equally tragic personal history, but has a professional interest and debates using reason and statistics, appealing to a wide range of viewpoints. I can just imagine what he'd say to the "using mobile phone in stationary traffic" - it would be something like "if a car was the best way to make that journey, there wouldn't be time to text or use your phone, because you'd be moving".

    IMO Mikey's tactics increase the "them vs us" motorists vs cyclists mentality, further adding barriers in peoples minds to getting out of their cars onto bikes (which would probably be the best way to improve road safety anyway).
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,777
    I can't believe the increase in traffic locally. I had to drop my car off at the grage for some work today. I don't use it much during the week so driving outside of town at peak hour is unusual for me. I have done this 10 mile journey at similar times over 25 years. Today the traffic was immense. Queues of cars for a mile at one junction. Never seen that before. Also near the garage at anothe juction there was a 15 minute queue just to get to a roundabout. There were no new roadworks in the vacinity.

    So many cars and there is very very little chance of these people getting onto a train (there are no trains near here) or a bus as the local services have been cut. It's nuts.


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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,783
    I had to drive into town* yesterday as I had the dentist (I wouldn't leave a bike near where it is unattended), maybe it was the weather, but it took almost an hour to do the four or five miles. I get that I was in a car and part of the problem, but I do wonder of people are really ok doing this sort of thing every day ... mental.

    *I usually cycle to work
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,291

    I had to drive into town* yesterday as I had the dentist (I wouldn't leave a bike near where it is unattended), maybe it was the weather, but it took almost an hour to do the four or five miles. I get that I was in a car and part of the problem, but I do wonder of people are really ok doing this sort of thing every day ... mental.

    *I usually cycle to work

    I time my drives to be outside of busy times. Sometimes this leaves me going in the opposite direction to the rush hour traffic. I look at the queues and wonder how they do it.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited September 2023
    I live about 1-2 miles from the central station. The other day it took me 30 mins to do the drive (I was meeting colleagues from London prior to driving us all to a site visit).

    It was insane sitting in the traffic and it feels like it's been worse since the schools went back in Sept.
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,777

    I live about 1-2 miles from the central station. The other day it took me 30 mins to do the drive (I was meeting colleagues from London prior to driving us all to a site visit).

    It was insane sitting in the traffic and it feels like it's been worse since the schools went back in Sept.

    Yeah, my cycle commute passes a private school with the associated school traffic of Range Rovers and other Electric SUV's that seem intent on killing me. This year the volume of traffic seems way, way worse than previously. It's like there is 1.5x as many cars as before.


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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    I live about 1-2 miles from the central station. The other day it took me 30 mins to do the drive (I was meeting colleagues from London prior to driving us all to a site visit).

    It was insane sitting in the traffic and it feels like it's been worse since the schools went back in Sept.

    Not worth going to Cambridge North (in future?)
  • Not a bad idea actually as I am usually then out onto the A14.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Do wish there was an app like Citymapper but for the whole of the UK.

    Looking at houses around and unless you have intimate knowledge of all the train lines it's really hard to work out which places are do-able and not do-able from a commute perspective.

    Yes it's on a line, but where does that line go, is there an express train on that line, does it stop at the station and where does it go into. Does it make sense to drive or cycle to a different station because that's further away but on a line that takes you somewhere closer to where you need to be blah blah.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,878

    Do wish there was an app like Citymapper but for the whole of the UK.

    Looking at houses around and unless you have intimate knowledge of all the train lines it's really hard to work out which places are do-able and not do-able from a commute perspective.

    Yes it's on a line, but where does that line go, is there an express train on that line, does it stop at the station and where does it go into. Does it make sense to drive or cycle to a different station because that's further away but on a line that takes you somewhere closer to where you need to be blah blah.

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  • Do wish there was an app like Citymapper but for the whole of the UK.

    Looking at houses around and unless you have intimate knowledge of all the train lines it's really hard to work out which places are do-able and not do-able from a commute perspective.

    Yes it's on a line, but where does that line go, is there an express train on that line, does it stop at the station and where does it go into. Does it make sense to drive or cycle to a different station because that's further away but on a line that takes you somewhere closer to where you need to be blah blah.

    A bit clunky maybe but you could just put your potential commute into Google maps.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Do wish there was an app like Citymapper but for the whole of the UK.

    Looking at houses around and unless you have intimate knowledge of all the train lines it's really hard to work out which places are do-able and not do-able from a commute perspective.

    Yes it's on a line, but where does that line go, is there an express train on that line, does it stop at the station and where does it go into. Does it make sense to drive or cycle to a different station because that's further away but on a line that takes you somewhere closer to where you need to be blah blah.

    A bit clunky maybe but you could just put your potential commute into Google maps.
    Mmm not found that it is good at working out multiple transport type journeys.
  • Do wish there was an app like Citymapper but for the whole of the UK.

    Looking at houses around and unless you have intimate knowledge of all the train lines it's really hard to work out which places are do-able and not do-able from a commute perspective.

    Yes it's on a line, but where does that line go, is there an express train on that line, does it stop at the station and where does it go into. Does it make sense to drive or cycle to a different station because that's further away but on a line that takes you somewhere closer to where you need to be blah blah.

    A bit clunky maybe but you could just put your potential commute into Google maps.
    Mmm not found that it is good at working out multiple transport type journeys.
    There are also multiple transport types it's not good at. Cycling for example.
  • Stevo_666
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