The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You've not seen the 15 minute city conspiracies whilst tiktoking then?rick_chasey said:0 -
Blanket. Just keep saying blanket.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.0 -
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Lol it’s hard to overestimate how different everyone’s experience of tiktok is.Jezyboy said:
You've not seen the 15 minute city conspiracies whilst tiktoking then?rick_chasey said:
The algorithm is ruthless in pruning out what you don’t like so no, definitely not.
If anyone complains about what they see on that app they only have themselves to blame.0 -
In what way do you think that is wrong?kingstongraham said:
Blanket. Just keep saying blanket.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
In the way that it's not a blanket limit.Stevo_666 said:
In what way do you think that is wrong?kingstongraham said:
Blanket. Just keep saying blanket.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.0 -
There is no blanket application - it's a starting point with many roads having higher limits where that's deemed to be justified. I'm sure there are some roads where that assessment is questionable just as is the case elsewhere in the UK.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.
https://datamap.gov.wales/maps/roads-affected-by-changes-to-the-speed-limit-on-re/1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Stevo_666 said:
Not sure about your view, but the point was making was about using it in particular places vs a blanket application. Brian didn't want to read that bit.pangolin said:
Sounds like we're all on the same page then!Stevo_666 said:
As I've said before, in specific cases it can do. My village is one of those specific cases.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In that particular case, yes. What most people object to is blanket 20mph limits.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
There is a narrow point with a blind bend.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
This question? Missed it as have been busy.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I think I remember you saying there's a 20mph limit in the middle of your village... would you be in favour of raising that back to 30mph?
As already explained there are a few cases where a 20mph limit is reasonable and the case in my village is one of those.
Thanks. So what is the reason it's sensible in your village?
So slowing traffic down makes it less likely that someone will be seriously injured, I guess. Good idea.
Glad you agree that slowing cars down can improve safety.
'Most' people in Wales support the 20mph limit in urban areas. 46/34, which is rather more convincing that 52/48.
Doesn't matter how many times you (or Sunak) repeat 'blanket application', it's not what's happening. Even in Wales (where the majority of the population support it). It's amusing to see you support it in your own village, but want to deny it to others, having admitted that slowing traffic down improves safety.0 -
The maximum speed limit for all vehicles within a French town or city is 50 km/h (31 mph). In certain residential areas (near schools, etc.), this can be reduced to a lower limit of 30 km/h (19mph). It is therefore important to pay attention to any signage indicating a different speed limit.https://www.eplaque.fr/en/speed-limits-in-france#:~:text=The maximum speed limit for,/h (31 mph).0
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Contrary to popular belief, there are speed limits that apply to the vast majority of roads in Germany.https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/driving-in-europe/speed-limits-in-germany-your-complete-travel-guide/#:~:text=German speed limits&text=For cars and motorbikes, the,are not the motorway/autobahn.
Like the rest of mainland Europe, the Germans use km/h rather than mph that we use here in the UK.
For cars and motorbikes, the speed limit in towns and cities is 50 km/h (~31 mph) – unless otherwise stated – and 100 km/h (~62 mph) on non-urban/open roads that are not the motorway/autobahn.
Some smaller roads within urban areas have signs showing speed limits of 30 km/h (18 mph).0 -
Netherlands Speed Limits:https://www.dfds.com/en-gb/passenger-ferries/destinations/holland/driving-in-holland#:~:text=Netherlands Speed Limits:,or 60km/h on motorways
Built up areas: 31mph or 50km/h
Outside built-up areas: 49mph or 80km/h
Motorways: maximum speed of 100kmh from 06:00 to 19:00
There is a minimum speed limit of 37mph or 60km/h on motorways
Vehicles can be confiscated in cases of excessive speeding
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The Welsh parliament has passed a law bringing down the speed limit on all residential roads and busy streets to 20 mph (30 km/h). Not everyone is pleased.https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/07/12/wales-becomes-first-nation-to-introduce-default-20-mph-speed-limit-in-built-up-areas
Wales will introduce a default speed limit of 20 mph (30 km/h) in built-up areas from next year, in a bid to lower road collisions and noise pollution, as well as encourage people to walk or cycle.0 -
Seems strange that the peloton could be done for speeding on a Dutch motorway in the early morning or late evening.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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It seems strange because my reading comprehension failed me. 🤣🤣🤣rick_chasey said:
Lol good luck getting up to those speeds.pblakeney said:Seems strange that the peloton could be done for speeding on a Dutch motorway in the early morning or late evening.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
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If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
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I presume Sunak didn't out the message to everyone.briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Wasn't the whole point of Brexit to allow us to be World leaders?focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
Eh? France is increasingly doing 30km/h in a lot of places. You might also note that the UK is safer to be on the roads than pretty much anywhere else in Europe, possibly because we've taken road safety more seriously, both as individuals, and through legislation and standards. But there were still 1695 road deaths in 2022.In reported road collisions in Great Britain in 2022 there were an estimated: 1,695 fatalities, a decline of 3% compared to 2019. 29,795 killed or seriously injured ( KSI ) casualties, a decline of 3% compared to 2019.
So, comparatively it's pretty good, but that's no excuse for not trying to do better.
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Do you even read the stuff you post?focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
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Jezyboy said:
Do you even read the stuff you post?focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
Yeah, around two/three years ago I remember posting and warning about ZIRP and that people seemed to be normalised to it.
Do you ever post anything worth reading?0 -
Yeah, that's a no then.Jezyboy said:
You've not seen the 15 minute city conspiracies whilst tiktoking then?rick_chasey said:0 -
And another one...
The poster is an auto engineer...
"I’m struggling with the I want the right to be able to do approx 7 times the amount of kinetic energy to pedestrians in a built up area argument I’ll be honest !"0 -
I'm on the frontline, being both in an LTN and able to walk to the shops. Also on a 20mph street. Let me tell you it's hell and I'm glad someone has had the bravery to stand up and say so. I just want to brrm brrm for two minutes to a car park, please let me.0
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https://etsc.eu/spain-switches-most-urban-roads-to-30-km-h-amid-calls-for-action-in-several-eu-member-states/focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
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Doesn't it irritate you a bit when you hit a twenty limit and there is not one person in sight?Pross said:
https://etsc.eu/spain-switches-most-urban-roads-to-30-km-h-amid-calls-for-action-in-several-eu-member-states/focuszing723 said:
If the rest of Europe don't feel the need, why are we pursuing it?briantrumpet said:A Tory campaigning for a 20mph speed limit. Seems he thinks it increases safety too.
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Not really. You could say the same with any limit.0
