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One day Rick, it’s coming for you too.rick_chasey said:If we get a pound for every time an oldie says “back in my younger days we just wore jumpers” in the next six months, I recon we’ll pay off about half of the price increase
I think Pross mentioned up thread about power cuts and blackouts.
At least we oldie’s know what to expect.
I hope you know how to light candles and that the back of that sofa of yours is fireproof."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.2 -
It's the equivalent of reminding people to drink water when it is hot. Some people haven't experienced hot weather or slept in cold rooms. They should be reassured that they will survive.rick_chasey said:
There is helpful advice and there are people doing the four Yorkshiremen bit to belittle the issue.TheBigBean said:
It's hard to know with your ageism what you are actually getting at. Wear a jumper seems like sound advice.rick_chasey said:
Exactly!TheBigBean said:
It's the old that are mostly affected. The kids can get away with just wearing a bit more.rick_chasey said:If we get a pound for every time an oldie says “back in my younger days we just wore jumpers” in the next six months, I recon we’ll pay off about half of the price increase
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That is not the kind of comment I was referring to.TheBigBean said:
It's the equivalent of reminding people to drink water when it is hot. Some people haven't experienced hot weather or slept in cold rooms. They should be reassured that they will survive.rick_chasey said:
There is helpful advice and there are people doing the four Yorkshiremen bit to belittle the issue.TheBigBean said:
It's hard to know with your ageism what you are actually getting at. Wear a jumper seems like sound advice.rick_chasey said:
Exactly!TheBigBean said:
It's the old that are mostly affected. The kids can get away with just wearing a bit more.rick_chasey said:If we get a pound for every time an oldie says “back in my younger days we just wore jumpers” in the next six months, I recon we’ll pay off about half of the price increase
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I don't get the bog roll run thing, The Romans used a sponge on a stick, eco friendly, washable, what's not to like.
Obviously, you have your own stick sponge combo.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Says someone who is neither 70 nor a teenager.tailwindhome said:
Seems quite bitter for some reason."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I always think about wildlife in the winter. Poor birds shivering, with just their feathers and down to keep warm. I feel bad if I don't put food out and make sure there is water which isn't frozen.0
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rick_chasey said:
I can assure you neither EDF nor Centrica do much in the way of drilling for oil & gas.
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The French nuclear company EDF is suing its own government for €8.3bn (£7bn) after it was forced to sell energy to consumers at a loss.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/edf-sues-french-government-for-7bn-after-forced-to-sell-energy-at-a-loss-macron-price-cap
The company, which is being nationalised by the French state, has filed a compensation claim over the extension of the country’s price cap in January.
Emmanuel Macron’s government forced EDF to sell more of its power to rivals at prices below the market rates as officials attempted to tackle the cost of living crisis and support households.
The energy company has to sell electricity to rivals at a heavy discount as a counterbalance to its monopoly position. French officials increased the cap on the discount by a fifth in January, hitting its finances.
EDF said the move meant it had to sell energy at a loss. In the claim, filed at the French administrative supreme court, the Conseil d’Etat, it said losses have totalled €8.3bn “estimated to date”, implying that the measure could cost the company more than €15bn over the year.
The nuclear energy giant had previously estimated the administrative changes could cost between €7.7bn and €8.4bn. It posted its largest ever half-year loss last month, notching up €5.3bn, compared with a profit of €4.2bn a year earlier.
EDF is 84% owned by the French government and last month officials revealed plans to buy the remaining 16% for €12 a share, working out at an estimated total of €9.7bn.
The government hopes nationalising the debt-laden company will help secure energy supplies in the country after the war in Ukraine left countries hunting for new sources of power to replace Russian imports.
Last month, an association of EDF employee shareholders said it planned to sue the French state over its nationalisation plans, arguing that the decision goes against the interest of the company and the minority shareholders.Wholesale electricity generation market share in Great Britain 2020. In 2020, EDF was the leading company in the wholesale electricity generation market in Great Britain (GB), with a share of 21 percent.
Interesting.
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It was a communal sponge 🤮focuszing723 said:I don't get the bog roll run thing, The Romans used a sponge on a stick, eco friendly, washable, what's not to like.
Obviously, you have your own stick sponge combo.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The big difference is when you did get ice on the inside of the window, most rooms had a fireplace. Boasting about not having central heating is less impressive when you just mean that you had to light the fire.blazing_saddles said:
Says someone who is neither 70 nor a teenager.tailwindhome said:
Seems quite bitter for some reason.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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You know their margins are already capped, right?mully79 said:rick_chasey said:I can assure you neither EDF nor Centrica do much in the way of drilling for oil & gas.
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At the risk of digressing, I would dispute the idea that most rooms had a fireplace.rjsterry said:
The big difference is when you did get ice on the inside of the window, most rooms had a fireplace. Boasting about not having central heating is less impressive when you just mean that you had to light the fire.blazing_saddles said:
Says someone who is neither 70 nor a teenager.tailwindhome said:
Seems quite bitter for some reason.
Georgian mansions maybe, Geordie terraced not so much.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.3 -
Glad the stuff inside the frames has gone back to glass these days, those do sound awful.oxoman said:We moved into a 1970s semi house in 1972 with no central heating. It had 1 coal fire with backboiler and an immersion htr. Believe me it got cold even when we fitted a gas heater on the landing it didn't get much better. We got ice on the inside of the windows as they were metal in wooden frames. Modern at the time but useless.
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Lewes MP Maria Caulfield, who had previously been against the plans, welcomed the findings of the new report.https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/people/ringmer-solar-farm-latest-ovesco-reports-labelled-as-disappointing-as-politicians-call-for-plans-to-be-scrapped-3807432
Ms Caulfield said: “Many of the residents I have spoken to regarding this were concerned about the loss of agricultural land.
"Despite what Ovesco have previously stated about the quality of the land, this new report shows just what residents have been saying, namely that the site is extremely good for agricultural use.
"I am pleased that this has now been confirmed, with only a small part of the site deemed to be Moderate Quality Agricultural Land and the rest of it being of higher quality.”
Ms Caulfield continued: “The fact that the Council’s own Cabinet Member for Sustainability has said the report ‘calls into question the feasibility of the Ovesco solar farm project’ surely means it is time for Ovesco to withdraw plans for this solar farm in Ringmer.
"It is also time that the Lib Dem and Green run Lewes District Council use the £100,000 of taxpayers’ money that was to fund this for something better.
"An example could be keeping Ringmer Swimming Pool open, something that would benefit local people in the village.”
For context, basically the project was being considered because it was claimed the land was of "lower grade" for agriculture, turns out it's excellent.0 -
#toryscum gonna keep on NIMBYing innit.0
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They’ll always find something. They’re never suggesting anywhere better nearby are they?focuszing723 said:Lewes MP Maria Caulfield, who had previously been against the plans, welcomed the findings of the new report.https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/people/ringmer-solar-farm-latest-ovesco-reports-labelled-as-disappointing-as-politicians-call-for-plans-to-be-scrapped-3807432
Ms Caulfield said: “Many of the residents I have spoken to regarding this were concerned about the loss of agricultural land.
"Despite what Ovesco have previously stated about the quality of the land, this new report shows just what residents have been saying, namely that the site is extremely good for agricultural use.
"I am pleased that this has now been confirmed, with only a small part of the site deemed to be Moderate Quality Agricultural Land and the rest of it being of higher quality.”
Ms Caulfield continued: “The fact that the Council’s own Cabinet Member for Sustainability has said the report ‘calls into question the feasibility of the Ovesco solar farm project’ surely means it is time for Ovesco to withdraw plans for this solar farm in Ringmer.
"It is also time that the Lib Dem and Green run Lewes District Council use the £100,000 of taxpayers’ money that was to fund this for something better.
"An example could be keeping Ringmer Swimming Pool open, something that would benefit local people in the village.”
For context, basically the project was being considered because it was claimed the land was of "lower grade" for agriculture, turns out it's excellent.0 -
Either the land is poor for agriculture or excellent. Foods damn important too!rick_chasey said:
They’ll always find something. They’re never suggesting anywhere better nearby are they?focuszing723 said:Lewes MP Maria Caulfield, who had previously been against the plans, welcomed the findings of the new report.https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/people/ringmer-solar-farm-latest-ovesco-reports-labelled-as-disappointing-as-politicians-call-for-plans-to-be-scrapped-3807432
Ms Caulfield said: “Many of the residents I have spoken to regarding this were concerned about the loss of agricultural land.
"Despite what Ovesco have previously stated about the quality of the land, this new report shows just what residents have been saying, namely that the site is extremely good for agricultural use.
"I am pleased that this has now been confirmed, with only a small part of the site deemed to be Moderate Quality Agricultural Land and the rest of it being of higher quality.”
Ms Caulfield continued: “The fact that the Council’s own Cabinet Member for Sustainability has said the report ‘calls into question the feasibility of the Ovesco solar farm project’ surely means it is time for Ovesco to withdraw plans for this solar farm in Ringmer.
"It is also time that the Lib Dem and Green run Lewes District Council use the £100,000 of taxpayers’ money that was to fund this for something better.
"An example could be keeping Ringmer Swimming Pool open, something that would benefit local people in the village.”
For context, basically the project was being considered because it was claimed the land was of "lower grade" for agriculture, turns out it's excellent.0 -
orraloon said:
#toryscum gonna keep on NIMBYing innit.
It seems pretty scummy in Edinburgh at the moment, Nicola Sturgeon should concentrate on sorting that out.1 -
Have we done this one yet
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It is rather damning of the party that Clegg, who hasn’t been with the party for 7 years, is still the main draw.0
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Anyway, anecdote alert.
I’m terrible in the cold and hate cold houses so I was out in town buying thermals in anticipation for all of this.
Really noticeably quieter, and the staff all agreed as it quiet enough I could natter with them.0 -
It is, and a certain party is still doing it's best to stop it.focuszing723 said:
I'm sure fracking will be on the agenda now.skyblueamateur said:I don't know a huge amount about the energy market so excuse my ignorance but if Norway are proposing stopping exports of their gas why are we not doing the same with North Sea gas? Would that make us self-sufficient?
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/ed-davey-proud-have-stopped-fracking-despite-energy-crisis/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I can think of better ways to improve energy security.Stevo_666 said:
It is, and a certain party is still doing it's best to stop it.focuszing723 said:
I'm sure fracking will be on the agenda now.skyblueamateur said:I don't know a huge amount about the energy market so excuse my ignorance but if Norway are proposing stopping exports of their gas why are we not doing the same with North Sea gas? Would that make us self-sufficient?
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/ed-davey-proud-have-stopped-fracking-despite-energy-crisis/0 -
Opinion on fracking seems divided on established culture war lines, but knowing nothing about it, I've no idea why
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rick_chasey said:
Anyway, expect more shortages of other things (in this instance Germany and Slovakia)
What can we do to reduce toilet paper usage? How long before there's rationing to 5 pieces per person per day? Bring back sponges on sticks?1 -
Maybe. But why would you want to stop one way of making things better?rick_chasey said:
I can think of better ways to improve energy security.Stevo_666 said:
It is, and a certain party is still doing it's best to stop it.focuszing723 said:
I'm sure fracking will be on the agenda now.skyblueamateur said:I don't know a huge amount about the energy market so excuse my ignorance but if Norway are proposing stopping exports of their gas why are we not doing the same with North Sea gas? Would that make us self-sufficient?
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/ed-davey-proud-have-stopped-fracking-despite-energy-crisis/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just had to light the fire in the morning with ice on the windows, then wait ages for it to produce heat in one room.rjsterry said:
The big difference is when you did get ice on the inside of the window, most rooms had a fireplace. Boasting about not having central heating is less impressive when you just mean that you had to light the fire.blazing_saddles said:
Says someone who is neither 70 nor a teenager.tailwindhome said:
Seems quite bitter for some reason.0 -
Because it makes a lot of other things worse?Stevo_666 said:
Maybe. But why would you want to stop one way of making things better?rick_chasey said:
I can think of better ways to improve energy security.Stevo_666 said:
It is, and a certain party is still doing it's best to stop it.focuszing723 said:
I'm sure fracking will be on the agenda now.skyblueamateur said:I don't know a huge amount about the energy market so excuse my ignorance but if Norway are proposing stopping exports of their gas why are we not doing the same with North Sea gas? Would that make us self-sufficient?
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/27/ed-davey-proud-have-stopped-fracking-despite-energy-crisis/
In the short term we can’t afford the fossil fuels, collectively, without becoming a lot poorer.
In the long term we can’t afford the fossil fuels as it’ll make the planet or large swathes of it uninhabitable.
That should be obvious to everyone.
So you think the solution is to go and drill for more oil and gas anyway?0
