Giro 2022 - Stage 16: Salò – Aprica 202 km ***Spoilers***
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Exactly.kingstongraham said:I wonder how Armstrong, Ullrich, Vinokourov and Hamilton kept on attacking so hard day after day.
I find it quite comforting that nobody was able to ride away from the rest, on such cruel parcour as we had today.
Nobody (excluding Pogacar maybe) should.
All three did attack today, but on those gradients the upping of pace was almost indiscernible.
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All there now - 8 minutes inside the cut off.JimD666 said:Anyone seen the full result? PCS only has down to the first 122 riders so theres a few missing. Did try the official site but that ones only loading the riders in 5 at a time......
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The 2010 Giro was fantastic as well. Lots of races manage to have an exciting GC battle. Thus far, this Giro isn't one of them. Not every race can be exciting. I'm not sure there's any reason for saying this to cause offence.kingstongraham said:I wonder how Armstrong, Ullrich, Vinokourov and Hamilton kept on attacking so hard day after day.
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I genuinely think that if you can't find something in this race to enjoy, you're missing out.
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how can it not be exciting..1st and 2nd are split by 3 secs
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Saturday was about as aggressive a GC stage as you could want.phreak said:
The mountains looked stunning, but the GC battle seems to be largely about not losing rather than actively winning. I've been watching cycling for 25 years. Some races are great (and the Giro often is more so than the Tour as there is less of an incentive to ride conservatively). This one, however, hasn't been so far.kingstongraham said:
I just think if you can't find something to enjoy in this race, it's maybe not the sport/format for you. And that's OK.phreak said:
You can think the race hasn't really lit up without that. So far it's been a case of Carapaz, Hindley, Landa and Almeida not losing the race rather than anyone stamping their authority on it. They all seem evenly matched at the moment and on the three mountain top finishes, there has not been a single second between Carapaz, Hindley or Landa.kingstongraham said:
https://www.eurosportplayer.com/sport/tennis/rolandgarros2021josame said:jeez - the giro is missing explosive attackers
I mean its hardly the 2003 Tour where the top 3 are close despite taking lumps out of each other all race. The top 3 are close because none of them has done anything.0 -
I agree. 1 out of 16 does not a great GT make.Pross said:
Saturday was about as aggressive a GC stage as you could want.phreak said:
The mountains looked stunning, but the GC battle seems to be largely about not losing rather than actively winning. I've been watching cycling for 25 years. Some races are great (and the Giro often is more so than the Tour as there is less of an incentive to ride conservatively). This one, however, hasn't been so far.kingstongraham said:
I just think if you can't find something to enjoy in this race, it's maybe not the sport/format for you. And that's OK.phreak said:
You can think the race hasn't really lit up without that. So far it's been a case of Carapaz, Hindley, Landa and Almeida not losing the race rather than anyone stamping their authority on it. They all seem evenly matched at the moment and on the three mountain top finishes, there has not been a single second between Carapaz, Hindley or Landa.kingstongraham said:
https://www.eurosportplayer.com/sport/tennis/rolandgarros2021josame said:jeez - the giro is missing explosive attackers
I mean its hardly the 2003 Tour where the top 3 are close despite taking lumps out of each other all race. The top 3 are close because none of them has done anything.0 -
There's no pleasing some people.0
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Start of today there were 7 riders within 2 minutes. Now there's 4 within 3 minutes.0
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No need for the hyperbole. A race being on is much better than there not being a race on, but it's not a classic by any means. We had a couple of long climbs today, for instance, and there was not a single attack from Carapaz, Landa, or Hindley. We had a few half attacks on Blockhaus, and so few attacks on Etna that the group of leaders crossed the finish 16 strong.andyp said:There's no pleasing some people.
It's been great to see Girmay riding so strongly and he looks an incredible talent, and MvdP has tried to illuminate races in a way only he really can. Saturday's racing around Torino was fantastic, and hopefully the final week in the Dolomites will have more like that and less like the mtfs we've had so far.0 -
You must hate sprint/breakaway stages.0
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I think I said earlier that most of the race has been a case of people losing it rather than someone winning it. There have been riders going off the back, and often losing big time, but none actually going off the front. It's hardly been Indurain on La Plagne or FvdB to Avila with the strongest clearly visible for all to see. If Almeida sticks in there and manages to win in the final tt you can respect the guts and intelligence of his ride without finding it particularly exciting to watch.kingstongraham said:Start of today there were 7 riders within 2 minutes. Now there's 4 within 3 minutes.
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I just hope that tomorrow's stage is as enjoyable as today
What are you on about?phreak said:
No need for the hyperbole. A race being on is much better than there not being a race on, but it's not a classic by any means. We had a couple of long climbs today, for instance, and there was not a single attack from Carapaz, Landa, or Hindley. We had a few half attacks on Blockhaus, and so few attacks on Etna that the group of leaders crossed the finish 16 strong.andyp said:There's no pleasing some people.
It's been great to see Girmay riding so strongly and he looks an incredible talent, and MvdP has tried to illuminate races in a way only he really can. Saturday's racing around Torino was fantastic, and hopefully the final week in the Dolomites will have more like that and less like the mtfs we've had so far.
Almeida, Nibali, Bilbao and Pozzovivo were all dropped by Landa's attack and Hindley's counter.
All three then had digs to keep Almeida distanced. Just because the three were evenly matched, doesn't mean that those weren't attacks.
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I wouldn't say I hate them, but they're not something I watch either for much the same reason as I find Fleche Wellonne is dull as dishwater compared to Roubaix or Flanders (or even MSR).kingstongraham said:You must hate sprint/breakaway stages.
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^^^ This. ^^^ If you attack and someone manages to follow, is it an attack?blazing_saddles said:
What are you on about?
Almeida, Nibali, Bilbao and Pozzovivo were all dropped by Landa's attack and Hindley's counter.
All three then had digs to keep Almeida distanced. Just because the three were evenly matched, doesn't mean that those weren't attacks.
It is a failed attack, but it is an attack.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If Ineos had set up Carapaz to attack an he won by a minute, people would complain that the rest of the Giro would now be boring.
Most Grand Tours are like an Elimination race on the track. One by one the riders fall away until two or three remain and then they attack.Twitter: @RichN951 -
It's been a decent race so far that's been harmed by the loss of bardet and Yates knee .. parcours is actually interesting . I am not really sure what to make of it.... The slightest mistake by any on the top 3 it's over .. almedia is a threat to them all ...he is like the bogey man haunting them ...they need to drop him hard
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As a point of reference, the 2015 stage Landa won in Aprica saw a 38 second gap between him and Contador, who was over 2 minutes ahead of Aru (those were the top 3 on GC). It's a slight difference to getting Kirby-esq about a gap of a handful of seconds to Almeida. I kinda feel like it's all on Landa to liven things up as Hindley has never shown much capacity for winning and Almeida is content to diesel his way up the climbs at his own speed.blazing_saddles said:I just hope that tomorrow's stage is as enjoyable as today
What are you on about?phreak said:
No need for the hyperbole. A race being on is much better than there not being a race on, but it's not a classic by any means. We had a couple of long climbs today, for instance, and there was not a single attack from Carapaz, Landa, or Hindley. We had a few half attacks on Blockhaus, and so few attacks on Etna that the group of leaders crossed the finish 16 strong.andyp said:There's no pleasing some people.
It's been great to see Girmay riding so strongly and he looks an incredible talent, and MvdP has tried to illuminate races in a way only he really can. Saturday's racing around Torino was fantastic, and hopefully the final week in the Dolomites will have more like that and less like the mtfs we've had so far.
Almeida, Nibali, Bilbao and Pozzovivo were all dropped by Landa's attack and Hindley's counter.
All three then had digs to keep Almeida distanced. Just because the three were evenly matched, doesn't mean that those weren't attacks.0 -
If I recall correctly, the damage was done descending from Aprica, when Contador had a mechanical and Astana were leading.phreak said:
As a point of reference, the 2015 stage Landa won in Aprica saw a 38 second gap between him and Contador, who was over 2 minutes ahead of Aru (those were the top 3 on GC). It's a slight difference to getting Kirby-esq about a gap of a handful of seconds to Almeida. I kinda feel like it's all on Landa to liven things up as Hindley has never shown much capacity for winning and Almeida is content to diesel his way up the climbs at his own speed.blazing_saddles said:I just hope that tomorrow's stage is as enjoyable as today
What are you on about?phreak said:
No need for the hyperbole. A race being on is much better than there not being a race on, but it's not a classic by any means. We had a couple of long climbs today, for instance, and there was not a single attack from Carapaz, Landa, or Hindley. We had a few half attacks on Blockhaus, and so few attacks on Etna that the group of leaders crossed the finish 16 strong.andyp said:There's no pleasing some people.
It's been great to see Girmay riding so strongly and he looks an incredible talent, and MvdP has tried to illuminate races in a way only he really can. Saturday's racing around Torino was fantastic, and hopefully the final week in the Dolomites will have more like that and less like the mtfs we've had so far.
Almeida, Nibali, Bilbao and Pozzovivo were all dropped by Landa's attack and Hindley's counter.
All three then had digs to keep Almeida distanced. Just because the three were evenly matched, doesn't mean that those weren't attacks.
Contador then had to chase them across the valley and all the way up the Mortirolo. So hardly a case of Landa lighting things up on the climb and dropping the mighty Alberto.
Also, yesterday's stage was much harder than 2015, which only had a couple of 2nd cats, backing up the big one.
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Who's going to win the giro? Not obvious is it ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Yes, and Contador's attempt to pull them all back on the Mortirolo was incredibly exciting. As it stands, it's quite possible the Giro will be decided on time bonuses, and surely we can all agree that bonification king Roglic's many last minute sprints are no real match for his long-range attack with Bernal in the Vuelta in terms of excitement? The likes of the 1989 or the 2003 Tours were exciting precisely because there was an ebb and flow with the main protagonists each attacking and gaining big time on the other. It wasn't because Lemond and Fignon marked each other around France for 20 stages.blazing_saddles said:
If I recall correctly, the damage was done descending from Aprica, when Contador had a mechanical and Astana were leading.phreak said:
As a point of reference, the 2015 stage Landa won in Aprica saw a 38 second gap between him and Contador, who was over 2 minutes ahead of Aru (those were the top 3 on GC). It's a slight difference to getting Kirby-esq about a gap of a handful of seconds to Almeida. I kinda feel like it's all on Landa to liven things up as Hindley has never shown much capacity for winning and Almeida is content to diesel his way up the climbs at his own speed.blazing_saddles said:I just hope that tomorrow's stage is as enjoyable as today
What are you on about?phreak said:
No need for the hyperbole. A race being on is much better than there not being a race on, but it's not a classic by any means. We had a couple of long climbs today, for instance, and there was not a single attack from Carapaz, Landa, or Hindley. We had a few half attacks on Blockhaus, and so few attacks on Etna that the group of leaders crossed the finish 16 strong.andyp said:There's no pleasing some people.
It's been great to see Girmay riding so strongly and he looks an incredible talent, and MvdP has tried to illuminate races in a way only he really can. Saturday's racing around Torino was fantastic, and hopefully the final week in the Dolomites will have more like that and less like the mtfs we've had so far.
Almeida, Nibali, Bilbao and Pozzovivo were all dropped by Landa's attack and Hindley's counter.
All three then had digs to keep Almeida distanced. Just because the three were evenly matched, doesn't mean that those weren't attacks.
Contador then had to chase them across the valley and all the way up the Mortirolo. So hardly a case of Landa lighting things up on the climb and dropping the mighty Alberto.
Also, yesterday's stage was much harder than 2015, which only had a couple of 2nd cats, backing up the big one.1 -
Could anyone explain Bora's tactics to me? I found them altogether baffling.0
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The mountains did look utterly beautiful yesterday
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everyone is close in terms of fitness, training that its hard to get that distance. How manty times do we someone attack only to be brought back. Exceptions are Pogacar - that stage to Grand Bornand last year and Roglic.0
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The Bora DS said afterwards that the plan had been for Kamna to be in the break and then either go for the stage (as Kamna indeed tried to do) or if necessary, if things between the main GC contenders became 'hot', to be a forward relay station for Hindley and Buchmann.DeadCalm said:Could anyone explain Bora's tactics to me? I found them altogether baffling.
The DS had Kelderman (who was also in the 20-strong break with Kamna) not try and go with Kamna, but to ease off, to be able to help Hindley and Buchmann in the last third of the stage (I'm not sure Kelderman actually contributed much, though).
He suggested the team were all pretty worn out (even though Hindley did still have enough to take the bonus secs), making it sound like Bora will be more passive during stage 17.0 -
Roglic? When has he ever instigated an attack more than 250m from the finish line?amrushton said:everyone is close in terms of fitness, training that its hard to get that distance. How manty times do we someone attack only to be brought back. Exceptions are Pogacar - that stage to Grand Bornand last year and Roglic.
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There was that one day in the basque country.Dorset_Boy said:
Roglic? When has he ever instigated an attack more than 250m from the finish line?amrushton said:everyone is close in terms of fitness, training that its hard to get that distance. How manty times do we someone attack only to be brought back. Exceptions are Pogacar - that stage to Grand Bornand last year and Roglic.
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Roglic has gone long a fair few times."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Roglic dropped Bernal on Covadonga in the Vuelta.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
