Cars, cars, cars...

ddraver

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Every time this comes up I say we're going to have to get way better at calibrating dashboard speedos and limiters...

My car's speedo matches the sat-nav so it is entirely possible to achieve.

I've driven vans that were literally 5-6 kph out.

Imagine receiving a new car and finding out that it's 70 mph is actually everyone else's 68 mph

photonic69

ddraver said:

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Every time this comes up I say we're going to have to get way better at calibrating dashboard speedos and limiters...

My car's speedo matches the sat-nav so it is entirely possible to achieve.

I've driven vans that were literally 5-6 kph out.

Imagine receiving a new car and finding out that it's 70 mph is actually everyone else's 68 mph

Virtually all cars’ speedos over read by a few %. Saves people getting speeding tickets in 30/40/50 mph zones where speed can creep up. Better that than under reading and getting caught all the time.

Anyway - the black box tech already exists. It’s most likely to be used by insurance companies to ascertain the risk you pose as a driver and you pay your premiums accordingly. I’m all for it. A speed limit is a limit. What possible excuse can you have for exceeding it? More people driving safely means I’ll be safer riding my bike on the roads, and that’s we were are all striving for. Isn’t it?

veronese68

Car ECUs have been recording all this stuff for ages. I remember a guy claiming his car hadn't been used on track when his warranty claim was rejected. The roll cage, crash helmet in the boot and the melted tyres were pretty strong signs, but the ECU data proved it 100%.

ddraver

photonic69 said:

ddraver said:

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Every time this comes up I say we're going to have to get way better at calibrating dashboard speedos and limiters...

My car's speedo matches the sat-nav so it is entirely possible to achieve.

I've driven vans that were literally 5-6 kph out.

Imagine receiving a new car and finding out that it's 70 mph is actually everyone else's 68 mph

Virtually all cars’ speedos over read by a few %. Saves people getting speeding tickets in 30/40/50 mph zones where speed can creep up. Better that than under reading and getting caught all the time.

Yes, but when you're unable to go "72mph", it becomes a much bigger issue...

Stevo_666

Imagine the drop in speeding fines if nobody can actually exceed the limit. And the the drop in money they currently make from 'speed awareness' courses.

pblakeney

ddraver said:

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Every time this comes up I say we're going to have to get way better at calibrating dashboard speedos and limiters...

My car's speedo matches the sat-nav so it is entirely possible to achieve.

I've driven vans that were literally 5-6 kph out.

Imagine receiving a new car and finding out that it's 70 mph is actually everyone else's 68 mph

Do you really believe that 2 mph difference will matter?
Doesn't to me but then I'm happy to chill if the driver in front is going slightly slower.

ddraver

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

briantrumpet

ddraver said:

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

Only one at a time, but the view doesn't change for about 2 miles of that one truck who's just shaved 2 seconds off their 10 hour drive.

MattFalle

Blimey

That turned ridiculously, hideously dull very quickly. its like a cycle club meeting/cafe ride/agm/mad night out.

here. have some Ghost Rider doing the Peripherique at a squillion km/h. Far more interesting.

https://youtu.be/_TDkqQlTHRk

john80

photonic69 said:

ddraver said:

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Every time this comes up I say we're going to have to get way better at calibrating dashboard speedos and limiters...

My car's speedo matches the sat-nav so it is entirely possible to achieve.

I've driven vans that were literally 5-6 kph out.

Imagine receiving a new car and finding out that it's 70 mph is actually everyone else's 68 mph

Virtually all cars’ speedos over read by a few %. Saves people getting speeding tickets in 30/40/50 mph zones where speed can creep up. Better that than under reading and getting caught all the time.

Anyway - the black box tech already exists. It’s most likely to be used by insurance companies to ascertain the risk you pose as a driver and you pay your premiums accordingly. I’m all for it. A speed limit is a limit. What possible excuse can you have for exceeding it? More people driving safely means I’ll be safer riding my bike on the roads, and that’s we were are all striving for. Isn’t it?

The reality is that most cyclists interactions with motorists the danger is not really driven by the speed the vehicle is going at. It does not really matter whether you are doing 50 or 70 if you pass me with a foot of space in a 60. For sure it starts to make a difference in 30 zones as at 30 and below you can survive being hit and going over the bonnet. Essentially my view is that all this focus on speed misses the wider point.

I would actually buy a car with a speed limiter that picks up speed limits signs. The longer I drive the less interested I am in driving.

photonic69

MattFalle said:

Blimey

That turned ridiculously, hideously dull very quickly. its like a cycle club meeting/cafe ride/agm/mad night out.

here. have some Ghost Rider doing the Peripherique at a squillion km/h. Far more interesting.

https://youtu.be/_TDkqQlTHRk

Pah! That’s nothing. Been faster than that on my E bike. (When I dropped some E’s and decided to ride my bike to the club. It felt stupidly fast. I scared myself so got off and walked)

Sheeeeeet! That is mental! Absolute nuttaaaah!

monkimark

The man who bought a Hayabusa and decided it was too wimpy so he stuck a turbo in it
The Upsala run video makes me clench my jaw for the entire 15 minutes, incredibly impressive riding but entirely mental.
I seem to remember he held the record for fastest wheelie, 1km at well over 200mph on the back wheel!

MattFalle said:

Blimey

That turned ridiculously, hideously dull very quickly. its like a cycle club meeting/cafe ride/agm/mad night out.

here. have some Ghost Rider doing the Peripherique at a squillion km/h. Far more interesting.

https://youtu.be/_TDkqQlTHRk

First.Aspect

So, "cars, cars, cars" chaps. Cars. We don't need losers in lids here. Good grief who in their right mind would use a vehicle with so few wheels?

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

So, "cars, cars, cars" chaps. Cars. We don't need losers in lids here. Good grief who in their right mind would use a vehicle with so few wheels?

This just needs several more BHP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1n6XAypag

monkimark

"Cars, cars, cars" is a good description of what I see disappearing behind my left elbow when i'm out on the bike

First.Aspect said:

So, "cars, cars, cars" chaps. Cars. We don't need losers in lids here. Good grief who in their right mind would use a vehicle with so few wheels?

pblakeney

ddraver said:

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

Pretty pointless, isn't it?

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

So, "cars, cars, cars" chaps. Cars. We don't need losers in lids here. Good grief who in their right mind would use a vehicle with so few wheels?

This just needs several more BHP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1n6XAypag

Reminds me when I used to commute in through Lothian road (which if you don't know it has some fairly ferricious n-way junctions (where n > 4). Would occasionally share the asl with a unicyclist.

They are incredibly slow.

ddraver

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

Pretty pointless, isn't it?

I dunno... over a 2hr drive that over take saved some important tacho time...

pblakeney

ddraver said:

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

Pretty pointless, isn't it?

I dunno... over a 2hr drive that over take saved some important tacho time...

No more than a set of traffic lights.

shirley_basso

I always assumed they were drafting each other and it was for fuel savings.

MattFalle

oxoman said:

Colleague of mine likes to do nothing more than ride pillion on a 3 wheeler admittedly not a normal 3 wheeler. He's also a race instructor so pretty fast / mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yauE-o8N1uA

yup. utter lunatic. total complete lunatic.

pinno

veronese68 said:

focuszing723 said:

MattFalle said:

Amoy - 6 abreast at 150mph through a village

https://youtu.be/dse3ONWaFj4

Skerries - same, same

https://youtu.be/plttIWNgaWk

F1? total joke.

I'd be scared playing that virtually on a computer sim.

A friend of mine raced at the Isle of Man, it was a 3 lap race. Traditioanally the first lap is slowest due to cold tyres, a standing start and a full tank. second lap quicker and depending on how your tyres are doing third lap quickest as you're carrying no weight. His first lap was his quickest, he got slower as he scared the bejesus out of himself. Never went back to race it himself.
That 300bhp Kwak is insane, I briefly had a Fireplace that put out 185bhp and that was more than enough.
I was a car nut, worked around cars and classic cars all my life but can't be bothered with them now. At least not in SE England, if money were no object I'd have a nice car but keep it somewhere else. As said above, a YBR125 is plenty, I might put my Bonnie back together one day. But even a 50 year old motorbike is too much for a 20mph speed limit so I'll keep pedalling.

A Triumph Bonneville...
But but, don't they have paper gaskets, leak oil everywhere and go like damp flannel (if it goes at all)?

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

focuszing723 said:

Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.

By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).

I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.

I have 2 current options. Phew!

pinno

pblakeney said:

ddraver said:

Well, lets assume that truck drivers have got to be pretty chilled out about being overtaken. How many of them do you see overtaking each other at 56.x mph?

Pretty pointless, isn't it*?

Used to love going 2 abreast in an HGV along the M4 at 56mph. Usually happened along the lumpy bits.
Some even when in the fast lane (which you are not supposed to do) and then when you filter left, there's a 100mph cavalry of beeping M3 and S4 drivers gesticulating. And all I did was laugh.

*When you have to get within the M25 (or off it) before rush hour(s) hit, you have to get by the guy carrying concrete blocks at 52mph up the inclines.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

focuszing723 said:

Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.

By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).

I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.

Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.

pinno

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

focuszing723 said:

Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.

By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).

I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.

Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.

Sure. That's on dual carriage ways and motorways plus urban areas.
I live in the sticks thank fully.

Stevo_666

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

focuszing723 said:

Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.

By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).

I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.

Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.

Who says I can't get past them?

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

focuszing723 said:

Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.

By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).

I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.

Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.

Who says I can't get past them?

They'll clap a mandatory black box on your fireworks Stevo.

pblakeney

Guys, guys, guys. It was just a prediction from some guy on the net based purely on personal opinion. Nice that you'd take it so seriously though. 😉

Wheelspinner

john80 said:

I would actually buy a car with a speed limiter that picks up speed limits signs. The longer I drive the less interested I am in driving.

This is already a “feature” on cars now, has been for a while.

The GPS already shows the speed limit applicable. There are additional controls (now optional) which will automatically slow the car to the defined limit. It’s a PITA where the speed limit is time of day dependent like school zones - by default the system thinks the 40k limit applies on that piece of road all day, not just in the 8-9:30 and 2:30-4 timeslots.

The software seems to have missed that “check time of day” bit.