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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    pblakeney said:

    Guys, guys, guys. It was just a prediction from some guy on the net based purely on personal opinion. Nice that you'd take it so seriously though. 😉

    I wouldn't put it passed them though.

    Built in software would probably be impossible to by pass whereas, bolt on software could.
    I tell you what is a speed limiter - £1.42 a litre.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    That is 100% the future - dynamic speed limiters.
    _
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I guess if it means you can effectively be a passenger in your own car, then it makes sense - especially on long journeys.

    In city centres, I just feel there is too much going on for an autonomous vehicle.

    I know there were comments about lack of space in driveways - but the long term dream must surely be: Autonomous EVs, which travel to a central repository to charge overnight and come back to collect you from your home at an agreed time based on your preferred work arrival time - with pricing slightly varing depending on peak times (8.30 vs 8.25, f/x).

    Cars can then go back to central repository to recharge unless summoned again - but ultimately work like driverless taxis, so noone has their own car.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    edited October 2021
    shirley_basso said:



    Cars can then go back to central repository to recharge unless summoned again - but ultimately work like driverless taxis, so noone has their own car.

    This is how I see the long term future, a kind of driverless Uber.
    Enjoy your cars while you can.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    pblakeney said:

    shirley_basso said:



    Cars can then go back to central repository to recharge unless summoned again - but ultimately work like driverless taxis, so noone has their own car.

    This is how I see the long term future, a kind of driverless Uber.
    Enjoy your cars while you can.
    Not in your lifetime. If at all. Autonomous vehicles, perhaps.

    Will we all, as cyclists and pedestrians etc. end up needing to carry something standard to make us detectable by autonomous cars?

    Would solve quite a few issues.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    I'm sure people have said this about many technogical innovations that we now take for granted but I can't see fully driverless cars in my lifetime - say the next 40 years.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Yeah, once you get to fully autonomous then owning a car will be pointless. I think if I lived in a big city with good public transport links I would consider a car club but they are a bit too spread out. As it is I use my car on a daily basis, it's not always the only realistic / convenient option for me but generally is.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151

    When batteries get to a good power to weight ratio autonomous flight will be interesting too. Direct travel, making the most of different altitudes and perhaps they are used more as a service rather than personally owned transport.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    As urban areas get denser, I think the future is more public transport than more private transport.

    If you want to get anywhere across central London it's usually fastest to either cycle or take the tube/rail.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    As urban areas get denser, I think the future is more public transport than more private transport.

    If you want to get anywhere across central London it's usually fastest to either cycle or take the tube/rail.

    This isn't exactly news.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151


  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    As urban areas get denser, I think the future is more public transport than more private transport.

    If you want to get anywhere across central London it's usually fastest to either cycle or take the tube/rail.

    This isn't exactly news.
    Sure but the uber fanbois seem to think they can defy basic urban geometry with things like automated cars etc.

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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    As urban areas get denser, I think the future is more public transport than more private transport.

    If you want to get anywhere across central London it's usually fastest to either cycle or take the tube/rail.

    This isn't exactly news.
    Sure but the uber fanbois seem to think they can defy basic urban geometry with things like automated cars etc.

    Automation better suited to USAnian style widespread, low density, grid pattern cities than old school European clutter.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Dull dull dull borrrrring dull.

    no one cares about what you're droning on about.

    have some of this

    https://youtu.be/PjLPeAcUD6k
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    and this

    https://youtu.be/Lh1hSJHbvkE
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    small cars with stupid engines in them

    tgat's the way it should be.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    focuszing723 said:



    nice. very nice.

    bit of abugger to get out of a country lane though.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    Another thing I find interesting is how the top supercar manufactures are throwing a last hurrah to the combustion engine. Forget the yearly incremental marginal update in performance, now with Porsche GT2rs, McLaren 720s and Ferrari Pista it's 700 odd BHP!

    I know there is talk of synthetic fuels but whether that will happen in a meaningful way.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    focuszing723 said:

    Another thing I find interesting is how the top supercar manufactures are throwing a last hurrah to the combustion engine. Forget the yearly incremental marginal update in performance, now with Porsche GT2rs, McLaren 720s and Ferrari Pista it's 700 odd BHP!

    I know there is talk of synthetic fuels but whether that will happen in a meaningful way.

    700bhp in a bourgeois mobile that is the size and weight of a tank driven by a nobber who made his money in property development or computers.

    nah. boring

    you want a mere 499 horsepower you do.

    Gents - cars. They're just dull.

    https://youtu.be/_fQwwvb7CRc
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    focuszing723 said:

    Another thing I find interesting is how the top supercar manufactures are throwing a last hurrah to the combustion engine. Forget the yearly incremental marginal update in performance, now with Porsche GT2rs, McLaren 720s and Ferrari Pista it's 700 odd BHP!

    I know there is talk of synthetic fuels but whether that will happen in a meaningful way.

    Is it not just that at any usable speeds (i.e. under 100mph) the combustions engines are getting rinsed by electric cars?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    shirley_basso said:



    Cars can then go back to central repository to recharge unless summoned again - but ultimately work like driverless taxis, so noone has their own car.

    This is how I see the long term future, a kind of driverless Uber.
    Enjoy your cars while you can.
    Not in your lifetime. If at all. Autonomous vehicles, perhaps...
    For perspective, here is a mobile phone and PC from 40 years ago.
    I think things are going to progress much faster than that.

    The PC spec - "From the factory the PC was equipped with either 16 kB or 64 kB of RAM. RAM upgrades were provided both by IBM and third parties as expansion cards, and could upgrade the machine to a maximum of 256kB."




    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    MattFalle said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Another thing I find interesting is how the top supercar manufactures are throwing a last hurrah to the combustion engine. Forget the yearly incremental marginal update in performance, now with Porsche GT2rs, McLaren 720s and Ferrari Pista it's 700 odd BHP!

    I know there is talk of synthetic fuels but whether that will happen in a meaningful way.

    700bhp in a bourgeois mobile that is the size and weight of a tank driven by a nobber who made his money in property development or computers.

    nah. boring

    you want a mere 499 horsepower you do.

    Gents - cars. They're just dull.

    https://youtu.be/_fQwwvb7CRc
    I find all that nonsense about as interesting as the woman with the pushchair at the end did but each to their own.


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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Saw my first electric bin lorry last week.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    orraloon said:

    Saw my first electric bin lorry last week.

    Rubbish!?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    DeVlaeminck said:

    MattFalle said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Another thing I find interesting is how the top supercar manufactures are throwing a last hurrah to the combustion engine. Forget the yearly incremental marginal update in performance, now with Porsche GT2rs, McLaren 720s and Ferrari Pista it's 700 odd BHP!

    I know there is talk of synthetic fuels but whether that will happen in a meaningful way.

    700bhp in a bourgeois mobile that is the size and weight of a tank driven by a nobber who made his money in property development or computers.

    nah. boring

    you want a mere 499 horsepower you do.

    Gents - cars. They're just dull.

    https://youtu.be/_fQwwvb7CRc
    I find all that nonsense about as interesting as the woman with the pushchair at the end did but each to their own.


    I am glad it is not just me
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    edited October 2021
    I've no idea if the calculation is possible, but I was wondering if all the extra weight for the safety features which benefit the occupants of cars is more than offset by all the extra deaths caused by the fuel inefficiency and thereby extra pollution of driving mini urban tanks around when an Almera or Aygo would do... or even my friend's favourite runaround... a Lancia Appia


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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    edited October 2021
    pblakeney said:

    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    shirley_basso said:



    Cars can then go back to central repository to recharge unless summoned again - but ultimately work like driverless taxis, so noone has their own car.

    This is how I see the long term future, a kind of driverless Uber.
    Enjoy your cars while you can.
    Not in your lifetime. If at all. Autonomous vehicles, perhaps...
    For perspective, here is a mobile phone and PC from 40 years ago.
    I think things are going to progress much faster than that.

    The PC spec - "From the factory the PC was equipped with either 16 kB or 64 kB of RAM. RAM upgrades were provided both by IBM and third parties as expansion cards, and could upgrade the machine to a maximum of 256kB."




    Hard to predict, but there's way more inertia in terms of required infrastructure and compatibility with old vehicle stock.

    I could see there being car trains on trunk routes within a couple of decades. In cities, not sure.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

    I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
    I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.
    By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).
    I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.
    Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.
    Who says I can't get past them? ;)
    They'll clap a mandatory black box on your fireworks Stevo.
    Nah, retrofitting will be too tricky. I can see my self developing an interest in vintage cars.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

    I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
    I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.
    By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).
    I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.
    Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.
    Who says I can't get past them? ;)
    They'll clap a mandatory black box on your fireworks Stevo.
    Nah, retrofitting will be too tricky. I can see my self developing an interest in vintage cars.
    The tracker on my daughters car was simply connected to the battery and provided the insurance company with all details of where she went and how fast she drove etc. I can't see the age of any car being able to get over that?

    On a wider note, cars have been a hobby of mine for years but I do tire of the infantile machismo surrounding them. I've always been around air-cooled Volkswagens in the main, so never really dug the fuel burnin', smoke belchin', tyre burnin' thing myself.
    My current cars are pretty non environmentally friendly but my limited mileage offsets the guilt I think? And, driving on congested and/or knackered roads does get tiring, especially in an old vehicle thats comprimised by modifications.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    edited October 2021
    carbonclem said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Here's a question. How long before we won't be able to drive a car due to elf n safety and the progression of autonomy? There is no doubt in my mind it would save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives a year if enforced in the future.

    I think mandatory black boxes will be forced on us by 203*.
    I you can have fun on the road get a fun car now. If you need a track car, get one now. Tracks will be busy and priced accordingly.
    By then the car's computer will be linked to GPS and sign reading software and simply won't let you drive above the posted speed limit (already being tested).
    I predict a surge in car sales just before this becomes mandatory. Hopefully that one will last me until I'm too old to care.
    Not going to help you much if 90% of vehicles are restricted and you can't get past them though. The average age of a car on UK roads is just over 8 years and they average age cars get scrapped is about 14 years. I'm sure some statistician can work out when critical mass would occur but once it does it doesn't matter if your car is restricted, you won't be going any quicker than everyone else.
    Who says I can't get past them? ;)
    They'll clap a mandatory black box on your fireworks Stevo.
    Nah, retrofitting will be too tricky. I can see my self developing an interest in vintage cars.
    The tracker on my daughters car was simply connected to the battery and provided the insurance company with all details of where she went and how fast she drove etc. I can't see the age of any car being able to get over that?

    On a wider note, cars have been a hobby of mine for years but I do tire of the infantile machismo surrounding them. I've always been around air-cooled Volkswagens in the main, so never really dug the fuel burnin', smoke belchin', tyre burnin' thing myself.
    My current cars are pretty non environmentally friendly but my limited mileage offsets the guilt I think? And, driving on congested and/or knackered roads does get tiring, especially in an old vehicle thats comprimised by modifications.
    Forcing millions of motorist to retrofit this stuff might be possible, but not a great idea making everyone pay and hard to police that people have installed the right thing. And technically it would have to be fully integrated with the engine management system to allow the engine power to be reigned in/throttle inputs ignored. How easy do you reckon that is on old cars?

    So not really feasible. They will put it onto the manufacturers instead, so it will most likely be rolled out with new cars.

    Just as well really.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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