Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)
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they didn't put their names forward.focuszing723 said:Great leader/team and they did bloody well to get to the final, much better than I thought they would. There will be the inevitable hindsight, waffle, tolls and blame.
The blokes who put their name forward to take penalties (for any nation) in that situation have some real guts. Anybody who has a crack at them clearly has learnt nothing in their life.
Idiots will be idiots every country has them.
they were told they were taking them about 6 months ago when everyone starting pre pre tournament training and playing for their country in friendlies/qualification matches.
this is international football, not Sunday pub league..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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of course they had been practising themballysmate said:MattFalle said:Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....
Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.
Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.
If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
of course he had been practising that, much like Pirlo vs Joe Hart with his Paneka and Jorginho vs Spain.
see MFs posts above..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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World class, not European class and 10 of them? nah.kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
and they lost by the way..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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i think i heard the same.Pross said:
I'm pretty sure I heard on the news that they lost?kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
#paralleluniverse.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/marcus-rashford-penalty-natalie-elphicke-b1882464.htmlMattFalle said:
is this the same dude who refused to watch England because they took the knee?Jezyboy said:
Well according to a tory MP he should have spent more time practicing penalties instead of playing politics.MattFalle said:
Marcus Rashford mural in Manchester defaced after penalty shootout defeatjoe2019 said:MattFalle said:
They don't seem to have trashed their capital city, tried to break into their stadium, fought the police, sent racial abuse to their players though do they.TheBigBean said:
They're idiots and when that many people watch a match, the number of idiots is higher.MattFalle said:On a far far far more serious topic, why taf are people directing racial abuse at England players?
I just don't understand it.
What's the excuse for Italian fans?
or did we all miss that headline?
Or booed every National Anthem, or shone a laser into a goalies face during a crucial penalty take...
https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/DFfWBn
one minute national hero, the next....
If only there was only one idiot in the party!0 -
What did he have - 20 minutes not in the position he's done well for England in when we were barely getting in the ball.skyblueamateur said:
Er....nothing of note.MattFalle said:As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?
The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....
I thought he did as well as most - better than Mount who he replaced.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
this doesn't happen to be that racist, xenophobic, Brexit supporting, lying, corrupt, Eton-esque, hating the working class party does it by any chance?Jezyboy said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/marcus-rashford-penalty-natalie-elphicke-b1882464.htmlMattFalle said:
is this the same dude who refused to watch England because they took the knee?Jezyboy said:
Well according to a tory MP he should have spent more time practicing penalties instead of playing politics.MattFalle said:
Marcus Rashford mural in Manchester defaced after penalty shootout defeatjoe2019 said:MattFalle said:
They don't seem to have trashed their capital city, tried to break into their stadium, fought the police, sent racial abuse to their players though do they.TheBigBean said:
They're idiots and when that many people watch a match, the number of idiots is higher.MattFalle said:On a far far far more serious topic, why taf are people directing racial abuse at England players?
I just don't understand it.
What's the excuse for Italian fans?
or did we all miss that headline?
Or booed every National Anthem, or shone a laser into a goalies face during a crucial penalty take...
https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/DFfWBn
one minute national hero, the next....
If only there was only one idiot in the party!.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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just in case you missed it first time roundMattFalle said:
of course they had been practising themballysmate said:MattFalle said:Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....
Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.
Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.
If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
of course he had been practising that, much like Pirlo vs Joe Hart with his Paneka and Jorginho vs Spain.
see MFs posts above.
https://youtu.be/gXFWmpB-cPQ .The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Okay then, on for 20 minutes and did nothing of note. Game changer.DeVlaeminck said:
What did he have - 20 minutes not in the position he's done well for England in when we were barely getting in the ball.skyblueamateur said:
Er....nothing of note.MattFalle said:As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?
The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....
I thought he did as well as most - better than Mount who he replaced.0 -
skyblueamateur said:
Okay then, on for 20 minutes and did nothing of note. Game changer.DeVlaeminck said:
What did he have - 20 minutes not in the position he's done well for England in when we were barely getting in the ball.skyblueamateur said:
Er....nothing of note.MattFalle said:As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?
The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....
I thought he did as well as most - better than Mount who he replaced.
I thought he did better than Mason Mount who he replaced - he nearly got Saka in with that back heel, won a few freekicks, held the ball in advanced positions.
No he didn't single handedly turn the game in 20 minutes - I think he's played better in an advanced left position rather than a 10 as he gets on the ball more.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
MattFalle said:
World class, not European class and 10 of them? nah.kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
and they lost by the way.
Name 10 world class Italian players.
I don't think anyone that follows football thinks England don't have the individuals to match Italy - if the game was always won by the sum of talent in the squad France would now be celebrating the win.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
We beat everyone who we played apart from Italy. We got to the final ffs!tetley10 said:
Had the easiest side of the draw so I am not sure why that counts as doing amazingly to reach the final. Italy beat Spain and Belgium which is probably more amazing than Denmark and the Ukraine.elbowloh said:Lets forget about the penalties. This is the best and most successful England team we've had for over 50 years. I'm proud of the team and and the manager. I'm absolutely ashamed of the tossers who are abusing the players. The better team won on the day. We lost the final, but did amazingly well to reach the final.
We should have been more positive in the second half rather than sit back too much and let Italy dictate, but we'll try to address that next time.
WC next year and the team will be in a good shape to compete there too.
We only conceded 2 goals in the whole sodding tournament.
We did amazingly well.
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This. Most would be pleased to reach a final of anything, but nothing's good enough for some.elbowloh said:
We beat everyone who we played apart from Italy. We got to the final ffs!tetley10 said:
Had the easiest side of the draw so I am not sure why that counts as doing amazingly to reach the final. Italy beat Spain and Belgium which is probably more amazing than Denmark and the Ukraine.elbowloh said:Lets forget about the penalties. This is the best and most successful England team we've had for over 50 years. I'm proud of the team and and the manager. I'm absolutely ashamed of the tossers who are abusing the players. The better team won on the day. We lost the final, but did amazingly well to reach the final.
We should have been more positive in the second half rather than sit back too much and let Italy dictate, but we'll try to address that next time.
WC next year and the team will be in a good shape to compete there too.
We only conceded 2 goals in the whole sodding tournament.
We did amazingly well.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The team had been practising pens every practice session.MattFalle said:
of course they had been practising themballysmate said:MattFalle said:Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....
Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.
Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.
If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
of course he had been practising that, much like Pirlo vs Joe Hart with his Paneka and Jorginho vs Spain.
see MFs posts above.
Those who took pens were selected based on their performance in those practice sessions.
Rashford always takes pens like that, as anyone who has watched Man U this season will know.0 -
The 10+1 that won last nightDeVlaeminck said:MattFalle said:
World class, not European class and 10 of them? nah.kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
and they lost by the way.
Name 10 world class Italian players.
I don't think anyone that follows football thinks England don't have the individuals to match Italy - if the game was always won by the sum of talent in the squad France would now be celebrating the win..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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its been all over the media for years about Eng practising pens all the timeelbowloh said:
The team had been practising pens every practice session.MattFalle said:
of course they had been practising themballysmate said:MattFalle said:Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....
Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.
Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.
If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
of course he had been practising that, much like Pirlo vs Joe Hart with his Paneka and Jorginho vs Spain.
see MFs posts above.
Those who took pens were selected based on their performance in those practice sessions.
Rashford always takes pens like that, as anyone who has watched Man U this season will know.
They even employed a psychologist to help them
it didn't help from the looks of things.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Yeah why all the negativity about England? They ran the overall winners as close as they could possibly have got.
The argument that England don't have "world class" players is a) nonsense - look at the number of them who have won league titles and champions leagues and b) even if it is true, which I don't think it is, it shows how well they played together.
I am just happy there is an England team who play well together and are a team every other nation have to take seriously, and have a legitimate chance to win every game.
Backing up a soft world cup Semi-Final run with a run into the final (arguably soft too, lots of home advantage and softer side of the draw) is fantastic.
That is the basis of a good team for the future and England are lucky that they are all fairly young so they should have room for some improvement.
I get there are plenty of anti-England people on here, not least who are pro-Italy (matt, ugo) but they did great.
Arguably Manchini's tactical changes undid Southgate but that happens - it's tournament football, and Italy were a great team who rode their luck to get into the final.
For all the "Italy were better" - they probably were but they couldn't finish the job in 120minutes and had to rely on penalties, and they started very badly.1 -
At the end of the day who gives a feck about how many world class players there are if the team actually sodding wins?
Its nonsense.
Its a team game.0 -
It felt more like he waited for the keeper to go and then tried to kick to the other side rather than sending the keeper the wrong way but it was a bit too late by time the keeper committed.skyblueamateur said:
Yep, as said further upthread he was the only one who sent the keeper the wrong way and he hit the post.TheBigBean said:
I don't agree with this. He missed by a fraction. I reckon 9/10 times he would score from that penalty.Pross said:As long as the penalty isn't ridiculously tame it is a bit harsh when people call a saved penalty a miss. Rashford's was the only genuinely bad one - I'm not sure if he was being a bit too cocky or if he just got hit by nerves as he started his run up and changed his mind. Both Maguire and Kane took very good penalties though, very little chance of any keeper stopping them even if the went the right way.
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How are we defining a world class player? I am much less generous than most as for me it is getting into a 24 man squad to play Mars. On that basis I don'tthink a single English player is world classelbowloh said:At the end of the day who gives a censored about how many world class players there are if the team actually sodding wins?
Its nonsense.
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rode tbeir luck?rick_chasey said:Yeah why all the negativity about England? They ran the overall winners as close as they could possibly have got.
The argument that England don't have "world class" players is a) nonsense - look at the number of them who have won league titles and champions leagues and b) even if it is true, which I don't think it is, it shows how well they played together.
I am just happy there is an England team who play well together and are a team every other nation have to take seriously, and have a legitimate chance to win every game.
Backing up a soft world cup Semi-Final run with a run into the final (arguably soft too, lots of home advantage and softer side of the draw) is fantastic.
That is the basis of a good team for the future and England are lucky that they are all fairly young so they should have room for some improvement.
I get there are plenty of anti-England people on here, not least who are pro-Italy (matt, ugo) but they did great.
Arguably Manchini's tactical changes undid Southgate but that happens - it's tournament football, and Italy were a great team who rode their luck to get into the final.
For all the "Italy were better" - they probably were but they couldn't finish the job in 120minutes and had to rely on penalties, and they started very badly.
34 unbeaten over 3 years letting in 11 goals isn't riding your luck.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Try and have a modicum of humility Matt. Why are you so damn bitter towards England?MattFalle said:
rode tbeir luck?rick_chasey said:Yeah why all the negativity about England? They ran the overall winners as close as they could possibly have got.
The argument that England don't have "world class" players is a) nonsense - look at the number of them who have won league titles and champions leagues and b) even if it is true, which I don't think it is, it shows how well they played together.
I am just happy there is an England team who play well together and are a team every other nation have to take seriously, and have a legitimate chance to win every game.
Backing up a soft world cup Semi-Final run with a run into the final (arguably soft too, lots of home advantage and softer side of the draw) is fantastic.
That is the basis of a good team for the future and England are lucky that they are all fairly young so they should have room for some improvement.
I get there are plenty of anti-England people on here, not least who are pro-Italy (matt, ugo) but they did great.
Arguably Manchini's tactical changes undid Southgate but that happens - it's tournament football, and Italy were a great team who rode their luck to get into the final.
For all the "Italy were better" - they probably were but they couldn't finish the job in 120minutes and had to rely on penalties, and they started very badly.
34 unbeaten over 3 years letting in 11 goals isn't riding your luck0 -
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No, he lives in Wales - that isn't in England.focuszing723 said:Don't you live here?
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I am critical of Southgate's ability to foormulate a plan B and that might be unsolvable as IMHO we are a well organised, very defensive team with a bit of flair up top but overly reliant on set pieces. His penalty strategy was pathetically amateur. He got the job becuase of a lack of altenatives and should keep the job because of a lack of alternatives but I hope that he is told the points above and tries to learn from his mistakes.rick_chasey said:Yeah why all the negativity about England? They ran the overall winners as close as they could possibly have got.
The argument that England don't have "world class" players is a) nonsense - look at the number of them who have won league titles and champions leagues and b) even if it is true, which I don't think it is, it shows how well they played together.
I am just happy there is an England team who play well together and are a team every other nation have to take seriously, and have a legitimate chance to win every game.
Backing up a soft world cup Semi-Final run with a run into the final (arguably soft too, lots of home advantage and softer side of the draw) is fantastic.
That is the basis of a good team for the future and England are lucky that they are all fairly young so they should have room for some improvement.
I get there are plenty of anti-England people on here, not least who are pro-Italy (matt, ugo) but they did great.
Arguably Manchini's tactical changes undid Southgate but that happens - it's tournament football, and Italy were a great team who rode their luck to get into the final.
For all the "Italy were better" - they probably were but they couldn't finish the job in 120minutes and had to rely on penalties, and they started very badly.
I don't buy the easy runs argument they ony look easy if you are playing well. If you are sh1te like Scotland then it will not look easy.
We have got to a semi and a final with a young team and we should be good for WC 2026 ie 8 years of being at the sharp end of tournaments. Whether our era will resemble France/Spain or Holland/Belgium only time will tell but either will be a step up from the perennial under-performance masked by a single one-off vitory in nearly 100 years of trying0 -
I didn't know that and I do realise that Pros. Isn't your head office in Cheltenham?Pross said:
No, he lives in Wales - that isn't in England.focuszing723 said:Don't you live here?
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Spain should have put Italy out - with some half decent finishing they would have.
Every winning team typically needs a few moments of luck along the way. England got it too with the penalty against Denmark and the draw that kept them apart from France, Belgium, Portugal and Italy.
Part of the reason I'm not too disappointed this time unlike 90 or 96 we don't come away thinking we were the better team but still lost.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
MattFalle said:
The 10+1 that won last nightDeVlaeminck said:MattFalle said:
World class, not European class and 10 of them? nah.kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
and they lost by the way.
Name 10 world class Italian players.
I don't think anyone that follows football thinks England don't have the individuals to match Italy - if the game was always won by the sum of talent in the squad France would now be celebrating the win.
OK that includes Emerson the full back that can't get a game at Chelsea because Ben Chilwell keeps him out of the team - Emerson would be third choice left back for Scotland.
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He mentions it quite regularly I thought.focuszing723 said:
I didn't know that and I do realise that Pros. Isn't your head office in Cheltenham?Pross said:
No, he lives in Wales - that isn't in England.focuszing723 said:Don't you live here?
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Don't be silly - I'd be second choice left back for Scotland if eligible.DeVlaeminck said:MattFalle said:
The 10+1 that won last nightDeVlaeminck said:MattFalle said:
World class, not European class and 10 of them? nah.kingstongraham said:
I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.pinno said:
Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
and they lost by the way.
Name 10 world class Italian players.
I don't think anyone that follows football thinks England don't have the individuals to match Italy - if the game was always won by the sum of talent in the squad France would now be celebrating the win.
OK that includes Emerson the full back that can't get a game at Chelsea because Ben Chilwell keeps him out of the team - Emerson would be third choice left back for Scotland.0
