Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    Greece. 2004 champions.
    That said, Italy were a better team than England.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 2021
    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    Greece. 2004 champions.
    That said, Italy were a better team than England.
    Yes they were. Probably weren't the best team in the semi though
    _
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    Fortunately this time the better team did.

    34 unbeaten.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,484
    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    Greece. 2004 champions.
    That said, Italy were a better team than England.
    Yes they were. Probably weren't the best team in the semi though
    Relegating England to 3rd, or worse?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    Greece. 2004 champions.
    That said, Italy were a better team than England.
    Yes they were. Probably weren't the best team in the semi though
    Relegating England to 3rd, or worse?
    I dunno, over the tournament I think England were better than Spain - but Spain really elevated themselves for that semi.

    It was a super super high quality semi - probably the best international match I can remember seeing.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    womack said:

    Yeah but everything is fine as there is the world cup to look forward to as the Shearers / Linakers say in a self congratulatory we have already qualified way.

    But I suppose if it's rigged that they get San Marino in every qualifying group they will get there.

    This is what Einstein's theory of relativity was all about.

    If you are England in a group with San Marino, Faroe Islands and Luxembourg then you have a bye into the tournament.

    Switch England with Scotland and they are moaning that they are in the group of death
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I do have a comment in the back of my mind from a proper football fan, dyed-in-the-wool, -lives-and-breathes-club-football-fan - "what you have with England I have week in and week out with my club"
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Seems like it's not just ignorant MPs and estate agents who put out racist shit post match:
    https://independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/andrew-lawrence-racist-england-cancelled-b1882682.html

    Hopefully the police will step up and start prosecuting some of these more famous idiots to set an example.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Never heard of him.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,801
    rick_chasey said:

    What's fun about football, matt, is that not always the best teams win!

    I think we've seen one of these quite recently.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Anyway I thought it was a great tournament - that Italy Spain semi was mega, as was the group of death and I think generally the tournament was good fun, apart from players almost dying on the pitch.

    I think even without the England success it was really enjoyable, and that as well really made it exciting. It was just a bit of a shame it flew about all over Europe - missed that carnival vibe and ultimately corona still cast a bit of a shadow over it (are these crowds really a good idea?).

    Overall, it was great.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Got upset that other comedians mocked UKIP

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/dara-o-briain-reacts-bitter-self-delusional-andrew-lawrence-s-comments-about-balding-fat-comedians-cracking-cheap-ukip-jokes-9823733.html
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited July 2021
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rick_chasey said:

    Anyway I thought it was a great tournament - that Italy Spain semi was mega, as was the group of death and I think generally the tournament was good fun, apart from players almost dying on the pitch.

    I think even without the England success it was really enjoyable, and that as well really made it exciting. It was just a bit of a shame it flew about all over Europe - missed that carnival vibe and ultimately corona still cast a bit of a shadow over it (are these crowds really a good idea?).

    Overall, it was great.

    especially the final result
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Re. The penalties. It is a but of a lottery and even great penalty takers miss.

    Look at the Italy team, the one guy who was bang of a guaranteed certainty to score, Jorginho, who never misses...had his penalty saved.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    elbowloh said:

    Re. The penalties. It is a but of a lottery and even great penalty takers miss.

    Look at the Italy team, the one guy who was bang of a guaranteed certainty to score, Jorginho, who never misses...had his penalty saved.

    He's scored 15/18 for Chelsea which is slightly above average.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    elbowloh said:

    Re. The penalties. It is a but of a lottery and even great penalty takers miss.

    Look at the Italy team, the one guy who was bang of a guaranteed certainty to score, Jorginho, who never misses...had his penalty saved.

    It may be a lottery for us but for other countries and teams it is anything but a lottery.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Can we put a whole thread in the Irony Thread? IN trying to argue that he's not like an england Football fan, MF is sounding more and more like an england football fan... 🤣
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    ddraver said:

    Can we put a whole thread in the Irony Thread? IN trying to argue that he's not like an england Football fan, MF is sounding more and more like an england football fan... 🤣

    As 'English' as they come.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Phew, thought it was just me being an out-of-touch near boomer.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Phew, thought it was just me being an out-of-touch near boomer.

    Clicking the link I've seen him on TV - he had a period some years ago where he was one of the regular faces on panel shows or doing guest stand up slots.

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Phew, thought it was just me being an out-of-touch near boomer.

    Clicking the link I've seen him on TV - he had a period some years ago where he was one of the regular faces on panel shows or doing guest stand up slots.

    I had a vague recollection as well. I think he must have decided to reinvent himself as edgy/reactionary on account of reduced bookings.

    From his Wikipedia page, grumbling about all the other comics on panel shows.

    "out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC"

    Given he's from the gritty former industrial town of Kingston upon Thames and went to St Andrews University, it all feels a little confected.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    rjsterry said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Phew, thought it was just me being an out-of-touch near boomer.

    Clicking the link I've seen him on TV - he had a period some years ago where he was one of the regular faces on panel shows or doing guest stand up slots.

    I had a vague recollection as well. I think he must have decided to reinvent himself as edgy/reactionary on account of reduced bookings.

    From his Wikipedia page, grumbling about all the other comics on panel shows.

    "out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC"

    Given he's from the gritty former industrial town of Kingston upon Thames and went to St Andrews University, it all feels a little confected.
    How else do you ingratiate yourself with the populists?
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    I'm with him on Dara O'Brien and Mock The Week not being remotely funny though - as they must get sick of hearing not since the Scottish guy left anyway.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rick_chasey said:

    rjsterry said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Never heard of him.

    Phew, thought it was just me being an out-of-touch near boomer.

    Clicking the link I've seen him on TV - he had a period some years ago where he was one of the regular faces on panel shows or doing guest stand up slots.

    I had a vague recollection as well. I think he must have decided to reinvent himself as edgy/reactionary on account of reduced bookings.

    From his Wikipedia page, grumbling about all the other comics on panel shows.

    "out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC"

    Given he's from the gritty former industrial town of Kingston upon Thames and went to St Andrews University, it all feels a little confected.
    How else do you ingratiate yourself with the populists?
    By going to Tiffin School obviously...
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    DeVlaeminck said:

    I'm with him on Dara O'Brien and Mock The Week not being remotely funny though - as they must get sick of hearing not since the Scottish guy left anyway.

    Weird that his response was not to do better jokes.
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  • rjsterry
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    On the dangers of post-match analysis.

    https://unherd.com/2021/07/what-warhammer-taught-me-about-life/
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    I had no issue with bringing on young players to take penalties if they are the better penalty takers - only with bringing 2 on so close to the final whistle that they'd still have that nervous energy, that surge of adrenaline, and that's not what you want when you are in a pressure situation like penalties.

    As Southgate said though if he brought them on with 15 to go would we have reached penalties? I suppose the response might be why not bring them on for Sterling and Grealish if they weren't on the list ?



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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    DeVlaeminck said:

    I had no issue with bringing on young players to take penalties if they are the better penalty takers - only with bringing 2 on so close to the final whistle that they'd still have that nervous energy, that surge of adrenaline, and that's not what you want when you are in a pressure situation like penalties.

    As Southgate said though if he brought them on with 15 to go would we have reached penalties? I suppose the response might be why not bring them on for Sterling and Grealish if they weren't on the list ?



    As per the article posted above, these are reasonable questions, but it's easy to overplay the effect of that one managerial decision, and discount all the other factors that were not in either team's control.

    This whole myth about the curse of England and penalties is based on just 9 (now 10) matches out of 1021 played, and we won 3 of them.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    rjsterry said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    I had no issue with bringing on young players to take penalties if they are the better penalty takers - only with bringing 2 on so close to the final whistle that they'd still have that nervous energy, that surge of adrenaline, and that's not what you want when you are in a pressure situation like penalties.

    As Southgate said though if he brought them on with 15 to go would we have reached penalties? I suppose the response might be why not bring them on for Sterling and Grealish if they weren't on the list ?



    As per the article posted above, these are reasonable questions, but it's easy to overplay the effect of that one managerial decision, and discount all the other factors that were not in either team's control.

    This whole myth about the curse of England and penalties is based on just 9 (now 10) matches out of 1021 played, and we won 3 of them.
    It's important, when watching football, to ignore anything pundits say. It is highly unlikely to be based on any statistical analysis and will just be a gut reaction to what has happened.

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