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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    MattFalle said:

    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.


    If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    pinno said:



    Name 10 current World class English players - go on.

    I don't want to state the obvious, but there's a bunch of them who drew in the final of a major tournament yesterday.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    ballysmate said:

    MattFalle said:

    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.


    If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
    He was the only one who sent the keeper the wrong way.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,808
    edited July 2021
    MattFalle said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Dont worry - we won one European Championship, thanks to Chelsea :) And only a year until the World Cup.

    which you won't win but we'll have to go through this whole "irs coming home" saga again....
    And neither in all probability will you if you cant beat little 'old England in 120 mins of open play :wink:

    Although my point was that it's an English club that are Champions of Europe. Not an Italian one :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    It's easy to be down on them because they lost but hell, they literally could not have come closer to winning.

    The lads are likeable, they're gracious and they played really well this tournament, much better than in the world cup.

    No shame in losing on pens in the final. None at all.

    If they keep this up they'll be considered a big nation where it's always a tough match.
    _
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    tailwindhome said:

    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    Grealish goes down like a sack of spuds if anyone comes within 5 yards of him so maybe the Boy who cried Wolf.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    We had 'em in the first half, not gonna lie...

    My footballing knowledge isn't sufficient to decide if it was Italy who stepped up or England whose energy levels dropped in the second. After they equalised (which was scrappy at best) I think England got nervous and stopped doing the things they'd been doing in the first half.

    I was surprised how happy Italy were to obviously play for penalties in ET. I'm not sure that was born out by the hit rate they achieved in the shootout. Unfortunately England's was worse though.

    In fairness to Grealish his addition means a marked change in Englands approach to a more attacking style which, obviously, usually results in more goals. It's not so much the player, but the decision that is exciting. Obviously you need to win a final so his addition was neccessary - just didnt work last night.

    Anyhoo, I'd rather we'd have lost 5 - 0 than lost like that...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    skyblueamateur said:

    ballysmate said:

    MattFalle said:

    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.


    If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
    He was the only one who sent the keeper the wrong way.

    I thought the same.

    Thank god Italy won. Loved their keepers reaction, or lack of it, after saving the decisive penalty.

    England's 'fans' are a disgrace.

    I'm English.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    tailwindhome said:

    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    Bottom line is over the 120 mins Italy were the better team. Not by a big margin, but enough that it was fairly clear.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Wears number 7, has floppy hair and an Alice band so is obviously the new Beckham. His main contribution last night was to slide in off his feet with no chance of getting the ball and then get all upset when the player he was 'challenging' caught his leg in the act of kicking the ball.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    skyblueamateur said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    Grealish goes down like a sack of spuds if anyone comes within 5 yards of him so maybe the Boy who cried Wolf.
    Wouldn't VAR check a potential red card?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    France and Belgium must have watched that final with a huge sense of regret. Especially France.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    tailwindhome said:

    France and Belgium must have watched that final with a huge sense of regret. Especially France.


    And Spain.

    England really were gifted a passage to the final.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    kingstongraham said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    Grealish goes down like a sack of spuds if anyone comes within 5 yards of him so maybe the Boy who cried Wolf.
    Wouldn't VAR check a potential red card?
    I would assume so, yes.
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,739
    edited July 2021
    ballysmate said:

    MattFalle said:

    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.


    If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
    He’s a sensitive lad. Plenty of talent/speed but looks scared and tight in big games. Too much pressure for the young inexperienced shoulders of Saka and Sancho, Shame some of the more senior players couldn’t stand up to be counted.

    Kane had a decent first half but was forced back towards his own goal for the remainder and wasn’t anywhere near the box on the few occasions we could get a cross in. Maguire is natural leader/captain material and was outstanding again as was Pickford.

    Wasn’t much to choose between the two teams but Italy shaved a deserved victory. Chiesa was a nightmare to defend against, what a player! And he’s still only 23! He looks about 30!
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pinno said:

    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.

    'Socks not pulled up' ffs, is it a fashion competition? I don't think he wears shin guards and who cares.

    Chielini maybe should have been shown red for his foul on Sterling.


    Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
    it was a flippant comment oh serious P.

    nah. don't be silly.

    I can't

    soz
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    edited July 2021
    joe2019 said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    ballysmate said:

    MattFalle said:

    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.


    If it can be assumed that players had been practising penalties - you know, just in case - then I can't believe Rashford had been practising that.
    He was the only one who sent the keeper the wrong way.

    I thought the same.

    Thank god Italy won. Loved their keepers reaction, or lack of it, after saving the decisive penalty.

    England's 'fans' are a disgrace.

    I'm English.
    31 million people watched the match yesterday.

    What you're doing here is equivalent to the Daily Mail motorist logic, that is to say:

    Some cyclists break the rules = all cyclists break the rules and should be banned from the roads etc.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Grealish only caused problems because he was fresh and everyone else was tired.

    do you honestly think Chiellini et al were worried about some bloke who plays for Villa?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    MattFalle said:

    Grealish only caused problems because he was fresh and everyone else was tired.

    do you honestly think Chiellini et al were worried about some bloke who plays for Villa?

    Do explain why he was marshalling the team to double up on him.

    I am not the biggest Grealish fan but you're being a bit silly here.
    _
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,485
    MattFalle said:

    Grealish only caused problems because he was fresh and everyone else was tired.

    do you honestly think Chiellini et al were worried about some bloke who plays for Villa?

    More to the point, and I stated it at the time, they obviously knew his reputation so simply didn't tackle him apart from that one. He ended up running about aimlessly with the ball.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    I can't get too disappointed about the overall outcome, ultimately a semi final and final two tournaments in a row is huge steps forward from the rubbish served up in the past.

    My only minor gripes are there was a pushing on an open door feel about Italy getting back in the game and the use of substitutes, it appears to me to be Southgates biggest weakness.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    ddraver said:

    We had 'em in the first half, not gonna lie...

    My footballing knowledge isn't sufficient to decide if it was Italy who stepped up or England whose energy levels dropped in the second. After they equalised (which was scrappy at best) I think England got nervous and stopped doing the things they'd been doing in the first half.

    I was surprised how happy Italy were to obviously play for penalties in ET. I'm not sure that was born out by the hit rate they achieved in the shootout. Unfortunately England's was worse though.

    In fairness to Grealish his addition means a marked change in Englands approach to a more attacking style which, obviously, usually results in more goals. It's not so much the player, but the decision that is exciting. Obviously you need to win a final so his addition was neccessary - just didnt work last night.

    Anyhoo, I'd rather we'd have lost 5 - 0 than lost like that...

    We dropped off too early for it to be energy levels but it is still a good question of whether we sat back (choked?) or Italy forced us back. With 5 at the back and two holding midfirld players we ended up overrun and should have switched to 4-4-2 before the hour mark.Foden would have been the obvious player to bring on.

    Not wishing to be rude but Grealish is a crowdpleaser with no substance. We already had Kane/Sterling to throw themselves on the floor so really not sure what he was ever going to bring to the party. In cycling terms he is Movistar, all over the front in the early Alpine summits before fading and achieving absolutely nothing.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    rick_chasey said:

    It's easy to be down on them because they lost but hell, they literally could not have come closer to winning.

    The lads are likeable, they're gracious and they played really well this tournament, much better than in the world cup.

    No shame in losing on pens in the final. None at all.

    If they keep this up they'll be considered a big nation where it's always a tough match.

    I think it's fantastic they held Italy to a draw in open play - I wasn't expecting that at all, I was expecting them to get taken apart. Although I would almost have preferred England to lose in 90 minutes than go to penalties, that was so stressful to watch!
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    bobmcstuff said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It's easy to be down on them because they lost but hell, they literally could not have come closer to winning.

    The lads are likeable, they're gracious and they played really well this tournament, much better than in the world cup.

    No shame in losing on pens in the final. None at all.

    If they keep this up they'll be considered a big nation where it's always a tough match.

    I think it's fantastic they held Italy to a draw in open play - I wasn't expecting that at all, I was expecting them to get taken apart. Although I would almost have preferred England to lose in 90 minutes than go to penalties, that was so stressful to watch!

    England started as favourites with the bookmakers.

  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    joe2019 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It's easy to be down on them because they lost but hell, they literally could not have come closer to winning.

    The lads are likeable, they're gracious and they played really well this tournament, much better than in the world cup.

    No shame in losing on pens in the final. None at all.

    If they keep this up they'll be considered a big nation where it's always a tough match.

    I think it's fantastic they held Italy to a draw in open play - I wasn't expecting that at all, I was expecting them to get taken apart. Although I would almost have preferred England to lose in 90 minutes than go to penalties, that was so stressful to watch!

    England started as favourites with the bookmakers.

    was that the case in other countries?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    joe2019 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It's easy to be down on them because they lost but hell, they literally could not have come closer to winning.

    The lads are likeable, they're gracious and they played really well this tournament, much better than in the world cup.

    No shame in losing on pens in the final. None at all.

    If they keep this up they'll be considered a big nation where it's always a tough match.

    I think it's fantastic they held Italy to a draw in open play - I wasn't expecting that at all, I was expecting them to get taken apart. Although I would almost have preferred England to lose in 90 minutes than go to penalties, that was so stressful to watch!

    England started as favourites with the bookmakers.

    British bookmakers perhaps - the odds are influenced by the amount of money being placed.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited July 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    MattFalle said:

    Grealish only caused problems because he was fresh and everyone else was tired.

    do you honestly think Chiellini et al were worried about some bloke who plays for Villa?

    Do explain why he was marshalling the team to double up on him.

    I am not the biggest Grealish fan but you're being a bit silly here.
    Sorry, but you were you watching the same game/tournament as everyone else on this thread?

    The only thing he can marshall is the local car park when the Sunday car boot is on.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    On a far far far more serious topic, why taf are people directing racial abuse at England players?

    I just don't understand it.

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    tailwindhome said:

    Surprised more isn't being made of the Jorginho tackle on Grealish. Key moment in extra time IMHO. England were looking the more energetic at that stage and weren't the same after.

    Could easily have been a red, and he knew it


    Only one of them was off his feet and not in control though.

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