Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    edited June 2021

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Both Mount and Chilwell are isolating though they have tested negative.

    Beggars believe no one is isolating in the Scotland squad having changed, showered, travelled, and trained with Gilmour.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Both Mount and Chilwell are isolating though they have tested negative.

    Beggars believe no one is isolating in the Scotland squad having changed, showered, travelled, and trained with Gimour.
    I assumed they are supposed to be in 'bio bubbles' anyway which begs the question how Gilmour caught it in the first place.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Before this tournament, Austria had never win a game in the Euros, now they've won 2 and have qualified for the knockout rounds.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Apparently not, as both players are now self isolating.
    Does anybody know how the Covid rules apply to this tournament?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Both Mount and Chilwell are isolating though they have tested negative.

    Beggars believe no one is isolating in the Scotland squad having changed, showered, travelled, and trained with Gilmour.
    One supposes they are trying to game the tournament rules. So long as they did not go back through Manchester they should be fine
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    elbowloh said:

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Apparently not, as both players are now self isolating.
    Does anybody know how the Covid rules apply to this tournament?
    same as everyone else - group of 4, play 3 games, has to come first or second to qualify for next round.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Pross said:

    How are Wales getting a second place team in the next round? Is it because Italy are one of the best group winners (3 wins from 3) and get one of the third place teams? Feels quite a good draw whoever they get.

    Pross: We get not they!!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So Holland get third place of group D E or F...So probably a group of death team.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,386

    elbowloh said:

    How has Gilmour not had any close contacts in the Scotland squad? Doesn't that make the whole concept of close contacts a bit risible?

    England deny any close contact but you would hope they have placed his Chelsea team mates into isolation
    Mount and Chillwell were both hugging him at the end of the game.
    It was outside so it was safe.
    Both Mount and Chilwell are isolating though they have tested negative.

    Beggars believe no one is isolating in the Scotland squad having changed, showered, travelled, and trained with Gilmour.
    They aren't from Manchester, so they are safe.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    womack said:

    Pross said:

    How are Wales getting a second place team in the next round? Is it because Italy are one of the best group winners (3 wins from 3) and get one of the third place teams? Feels quite a good draw whoever they get.

    Pross: We get not they!!
    Always try to avoid 'we' when talking about teams I support as I don't actually play for them.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,386
    Pross said:

    womack said:

    Pross said:

    How are Wales getting a second place team in the next round? Is it because Italy are one of the best group winners (3 wins from 3) and get one of the third place teams? Feels quite a good draw whoever they get.

    Pross: We get not they!!
    Always try to avoid 'we' when talking about teams I support as I don't actually play for them.
    It is fine as long as you are available for selection.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Reminded of the time I was playing for Llandudno 2nd XV and we had the weekend 'off' in case we got the call up from Warren G (as t'was at the time)
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    ddraver said:

    Reminded of the time I was playing for Llandudno 2nd XV and we had the weekend 'off' in case we got the call up from Warren G (as t'was at the time)

    Did you have to regulate your behaviour?
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Pross said:

    womack said:

    Pross said:

    How are Wales getting a second place team in the next round? Is it because Italy are one of the best group winners (3 wins from 3) and get one of the third place teams? Feels quite a good draw whoever they get.

    Pross: We get not they!!
    Always try to avoid 'we' when talking about teams I support as I don't actually play for them.
    Pross, it's we, no big attitude amongst the Wales lads. There was me, some years back, a mere fan, sat at a table at Hooters outside the Arnie Schwarzenegger stadium in Graz, Austria. We have just beat Trinidad and Tobago in a friendly.

    So comes and sits beside me and my mate, Danny Gabbidon, Robert Earnshaw and some young 16 year old boy with sticky out ears, just made an impressive debut for Wales. That boy, Gareth Bale, yes he may now be a multi millionaire but trust me nothing is more important to him than OUR country.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    So much for the theory that English people want the other home nations to do well. They were just openly saying on BBC Breakfast that they'd like to see Denmark progress further and that they'll be everyone's second team!
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    This feels a bit weird, going through already. I had a night off from the Euros, just looked at the scores before I fell asleep, and then woke to read we have qualified without playing. Has this happened before?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    This feels a bit weird, going through already. I had a night off from the Euros, just looked at the scores before I fell asleep, and then woke to read we have qualified without playing. Has this happened before?

    I don’t get the fuss about the use of the word “we” but in this instance who does it refer to?
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    Pross said:

    So much for the theory that English people want the other home nations to do well. They were just openly saying on BBC Breakfast that they'd like to see Denmark progress further and that they'll be everyone's second team!


    I think it's changed a bit in recent years - I get the impression most English would still want the Welsh to win if England can't though.

    Scotland maybe not so much - personally they are my second team but I did support them when I was young and I am half Scottish.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Could Scotland’s opponents reasonably claim that they are are not following the rules on isolation and call for the game to be forfeited if they insist on using players who have been in close proximity to Gilmour?

    Anybody know the rules around your responsibility to the opposition?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    What is meant by a contact
    A contact is a person who has been close to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. You can be a contact any time from 2 days before the person who tested positive developed their symptoms (or, if they did not have any symptoms, from 2 days before the date their positive test was taken), and up to 10 days after, as this is when they can pass the infection on to others. A risk assessment may be undertaken to determine this, but a contact can be:

    - anyone who lives in the same household as another person who has COVID-19 symptoms or has tested positive for COVID-19
    - anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19:
    -- face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
    -- been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
    -- been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)

    A person may also be a close contact if they have travelled in the same vehicle or plane as a case.


    Apparently none of those within the whole Scotland squad. Maybe because he didn't have his phone on him, it doesn't count.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    So much for the theory that English people want the other home nations to do well. They were just openly saying on BBC Breakfast that they'd like to see Denmark progress further and that they'll be everyone's second team!

    this
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    What is meant by a contact
    A contact is a person who has been close to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. You can be a contact any time from 2 days before the person who tested positive developed their symptoms (or, if they did not have any symptoms, from 2 days before the date their positive test was taken), and up to 10 days after, as this is when they can pass the infection on to others. A risk assessment may be undertaken to determine this, but a contact can be:

    - anyone who lives in the same household as another person who has COVID-19 symptoms or has tested positive for COVID-19
    - anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19:
    -- face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
    -- been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
    -- been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)

    A person may also be a close contact if they have travelled in the same vehicle or plane as a case.


    Apparently none of those within the whole Scotland squad. Maybe because he didn't have his phone on him, it doesn't count.
    I was thinking of UEFA rules. It seems very unfair on Croatia who could win and then lose half a team in the next round
  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338

    This feels a bit weird, going through already. I had a night off from the Euros, just looked at the scores before I fell asleep, and then woke to read we have qualified without playing. Has this happened before?


    Of course it has, if other results fall in a certain way.

    It also happens in league football with with promotion and relegation.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227

    What is meant by a contact
    A contact is a person who has been close to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. You can be a contact any time from 2 days before the person who tested positive developed their symptoms (or, if they did not have any symptoms, from 2 days before the date their positive test was taken), and up to 10 days after, as this is when they can pass the infection on to others. A risk assessment may be undertaken to determine this, but a contact can be:

    - anyone who lives in the same household as another person who has COVID-19 symptoms or has tested positive for COVID-19
    - anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19:
    -- face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
    -- been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
    -- been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)

    A person may also be a close contact if they have travelled in the same vehicle or plane as a case.


    Apparently none of those within the whole Scotland squad. Maybe because he didn't have his phone on him, it doesn't count.
    I was thinking of UEFA rules. It seems very unfair on Croatia who could win and then lose half a team in the next round
    Here they are...

    1. Should a group of players of a team be placed into mandatory quarantine or self-isolation following a decision of a competent national/local authority, the match will go ahead as scheduled as long as the team has at least 13 players available (including at least one goalkeeper), irrespective of any other provision of the relevant competition regulations (including the deadline
    for the submission of the list of players), provided that all players are eligible to represent the national team in accordance with Art. 46 of the competition regulations and have been tested negative as required by the UEFA Protocol. Any additional player called up to meet the minimum of 13 players requires that an equivalent number of quarantined players are definitively withdrawn from the 26 players list.

    2. If a national association is not in a position to field a team with the above-mentioned minimum number of players (i.e. 13 including at least one goalkeeper), the match may, if possible (i.e. subject to viable rescheduling options being available), be rescheduled within the next 48 hours of the date of the relevant match by the UEFA administration, which shall also have the power to assign the rescheduled match to an alternative venue.

    3. If the match cannot be rescheduled, the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) will take a decision on the matter. The national association that is responsible for the match not taking place will be declared by the UEFA CEDB to have forfeited the match and will be considered to have lost the match 3-0.

    4. If any member of the appointed referee team for a match tests positive for COVID-19, UEFA may exceptionally appoint replacement match officials who may be of the same nationality as one of the national associations concerned and/or may not be on the FIFA list.


    So they need to have been placed into isolation by Public Health England, I think.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,386
    MattFalle said:

    Pross said:

    So much for the theory that English people want the other home nations to do well. They were just openly saying on BBC Breakfast that they'd like to see Denmark progress further and that they'll be everyone's second team!

    this
    Was that not a solidarity with Eriksen related comment?
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610

    MattFalle said:

    Pross said:

    So much for the theory that English people want the other home nations to do well. They were just openly saying on BBC Breakfast that they'd like to see Denmark progress further and that they'll be everyone's second team!

    this
    Was that not a solidarity with Eriksen related comment?
    Of course it was, but that doesn't fit with MF's hatred of England.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    joe2019 said:

    This feels a bit weird, going through already. I had a night off from the Euros, just looked at the scores before I fell asleep, and then woke to read we have qualified without playing. Has this happened before?


    Of course it has, if other results fall in a certain way.

    It also happens in league football with with promotion and relegation.

    I know that, I meant very specifically...England progressing from the group stage without them or anyone else in their group playing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    A draw makes sense for England and Czechia right?

    They haven't thought this group stuff through.

    They should make it so that only 2nd and the 3rd places play each other in the next round and group winners skip to the round after that.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227

    A draw makes sense for England and Czechia right?

    They haven't thought this group stuff through.

    They should make it so that only 2nd and the 3rd places play each other in the next round and group winners skip to the round after that.

    How would it make more money for the best teams not to play as many matches?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    A draw makes sense for England and Czechia right?

    They haven't thought this group stuff through.

    They should make it so that only 2nd and the 3rd places play each other in the next round and group winners skip to the round after that.

    How would it make more money for the best teams not to play as many matches?
    Maybe you're right.

    You want to avoid situations where draws are the best outcome for both sides.