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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    As an aside, can anyone else forsee pesky Wales being pesky tonight?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    MattFalle said:

    As an aside, can anyone else forsee pesky Wales being pesky tonight?

    At least you didn't fall into the pundit / journalist trap of calling us "plucky underdogs"

    Pesky I can take, thanks for that.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,382
    MattFalle said:

    As an aside, can anyone else forsee pesky Wales being pesky tonight?

    Depends which team Italy pick. Could see it being a draw.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    rick_chasey said:

    Maybe im missing something in the rules what does it being “accidental” have to do with anything?

    Accidentally tripping someone is a foul.

    No you are right - officially intent shouldn't enter into the decision.

    Unofficially of course we can point to lots of incidences where refs do judge intent and where it's an accident, not excessively dangerous or affecting the game I'd rather refs let it go - but I was surprised in 2021 it wasn't given.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,382
    DeVlaeminck said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Maybe im missing something in the rules what does it being “accidental” have to do with anything?

    Accidentally tripping someone is a foul.

    No you are right - officially intent shouldn't enter into the decision.

    Unofficially of course we can point to lots of incidences where refs do judge intent and where it's an accident, not excessively dangerous or affecting the game I'd rather refs let it go - but I was surprised in 2021 it wasn't given.
    It doesn't if it is foul play. But by the same token where it happens on the pitch shouldn't matter either.

    The laws of the game allow for the ref to exercise discretion against calling a foul if they judge there to be accidental collisions where both players are legitimately going for the ball and neither player can pull out, and neither player was reckless. Usually you see this with a clash of heads. Inevitably the ball will hit one or other player first, but often its not a foul. By your reasoning, why not?

    My point is that only with VAR can a one or two frame (i.e. 0.02-0.04) second time difference really be seen, it is only used for goal scoring situations, therefore a different rule or a different standard is being applied.

    There is an argument that VAR should only be used in real-time and that the pillocks who sit in a media centre somewhere and judge that running around with your arms tied to your side is "natural" etc. should have a fixed period within which to decide. 15 seconds maybe. If they can't decide in that time, its not clear and obvious is it?

    What they do instead is think, ooh, this could be a penalty, we'd better be really diligent about this... whereupon they stare at it so long they end up making a poor decision.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    womack said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside, can anyone else forsee pesky Wales being pesky tonight?

    At least you didn't fall into the pundit / journalist trap of calling us "plucky underdogs"

    Pesky I can take, thanks for that.
    tbh, we all know Wales is my second team and tbh I love the way they are - they come across as a really tight knit bunch of guys without egos going out, having fun and getting results and having a massive laugh at the same time.

    the complete mirror image of the arrogant underperforming english team.

    hopefully bale, rambo, etc will have a cracking game, we'll win and keep a clean sheet, Wales will qualify and MARMALISE AND SMASH AND DESTROY engerland in the next couple of rounds
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    I'm going to be supporting Wales and I'm English.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    8 changes.

    gulp.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    focuszing723 said:

    I'm going to be supporting Wales and I'm English.

    great.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    focuszing723 said:

    I'm going to be supporting Wales and I'm English.

    Not allowed. Freedom of movement choice no longer exists. Get back in your BrexitBox.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    orraloon said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I'm going to be supporting Wales and I'm English.

    Not allowed. Freedom of movement choice no longer exists. Get back in your BrexitBox.
    ftfy
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    Jeez, that dive from the Italian player. It's lucky we have VAR now to stop these cheats.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    focuszing723 said:

    Jeez, that dive from the Italian player. It's lucky we have VAR now to stop these cheats.

    Farage has spoken.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    orraloon said:

    focuszing723 said:

    I'm going to be supporting Wales and I'm English.

    Not allowed. Freedom of movement choice no longer exists. Get back in your BrexitBox.
    but but but BLUE PASSPORTS AND TRADE DEALS WITH AUSTRALIA
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    MattFalle said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Jeez, that dive from the Italian player. It's lucky we have VAR now to stop these cheats.

    Farage has spoken.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    focuszing723 said:

    MattFalle said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Jeez, that dive from the Italian player. It's lucky we have VAR now to stop these cheats.

    Farage has spoken.

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Right, we now need to keep the clean sheet, bang in one more, job jobbed.

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited June 2021
    Damn, that was a missed opportunity for Wales

    Red card and a player off too!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Wales are through despite a valiant effort from the Swiss.

    Red Squirrels Rejoice!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    and many many congrats to Wales for qualifying!
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    Yep, good to see Wales through. Italy look a long way off compared to the other teams.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Keep the volley down Gareth!!!!
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    MattFalle said:

    and many many congrats to Wales for qualifying!

    Best possible outcome for the MFs? Italy first, Wales second, both qualified.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Just watching the highlights of the Italy's v Wales game? How is that a red card? That kind a challenge happens at least once a match and is a yellow at most.

    Sorry if debated earlier.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    elbowloh said:

    Just watching the highlights of the Italy's v Wales game? How is that a red card? That kind a challenge happens at least once a match and is a yellow at most.

    Sorry if debated earlier.

    I thought it was a borderline red - probably slightly harsh but I've certainly seem them given in the England.

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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    DeVlaeminck said:

    elbowloh said:

    Just watching the highlights of the Italy's v Wales game? How is that a red card? That kind a challenge happens at least once a match and is a yellow at most.

    Sorry if debated earlier.

    I thought it was a borderline red - probably slightly harsh but I've certainly seem them given in the England.

    There was a worse challenge earlier in the game that was only a yellow.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    elbowloh said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    elbowloh said:

    Just watching the highlights of the Italy's v Wales game? How is that a red card? That kind a challenge happens at least once a match and is a yellow at most.

    Sorry if debated earlier.

    I thought it was a borderline red - probably slightly harsh but I've certainly seem them given in the England.

    There was a worse challenge earlier in the game that was only a yellow.

    Which one?

    I saw the Dan James one - he didn't get booked though - I'm assuming the ref didnt see it properly.

    I just thought with Ampadu it didn't look like a natural attempt to win the ball. Ok he's not put that much force into it which is why I'd have said a yellow was probably fair but he's head on studs high and late.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    elbowloh said:

    MattFalle said:

    and many many congrats to Wales for qualifying!

    Best possible outcome for the MFs? Italy first, Wales second, both qualified.
    This, yup. Footy feel good feeling running high.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    elbowloh said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    elbowloh said:

    Just watching the highlights of the Italy's v Wales game? How is that a red card? That kind a challenge happens at least once a match and is a yellow at most.

    Sorry if debated earlier.

    I thought it was a borderline red - probably slightly harsh but I've certainly seem them given in the England.

    There was a worse challenge earlier in the game that was only a yellow.
    In their live coverage, the rules pundit clarified the instructions given to referees pre tournament and why it was a red card. Seeing as this info was pre-determined, there is no excuse, it's a clear red.

    It seems a tough interpretation but it is either a mistake on the players part or a lack of coaching to blame.

    Understanding how the rules will be applied is the job of the coaches.

    I reffed ice hockey for a number of years and understanding the rules and also how they will be interpreted can gain a team a huge advantage and avoid costly mistakes.

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