Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    So I'm going to suggest that Harry Kane's legs have gone - too many seasons playing too many minutes with too many niggling injuries. He is at the age where Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson would have sold him.

    This means that Manchester United or Chelsea will put in a massive offer.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    on the other gand, if the Scottish effort would have gobe in that would have left England chasing the fame etc etc etc.

    England. They aren't really that good.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,739
    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    One thing that struck me yesterday was the refereeing. Sure, he clearly wanted it to be over as soon as possible, which is understandable. I don't think anyone would have minded if he'd blown the final whistle after an hour.

    But it seemed to be refereed according to British standards. If that was England v Spain or something like that, there'd have been a load of yellow cards at the start and a sending off at some point in the second half.

    I think the nippiness (that both teams were demonstrating) really helped Scotland.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,739
    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Maybe
    Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    A lot of players, not just in this match, look absolutely shot. It is normally an issue in international tournaments, but maybe a bit more this time, because of the 1.5 seasons that have just been crammed in.

    It is a preview of Qatar. Bursts of play then some passing while everyone has a rest.
    Or Serie A as it is also known. (Admittedly I've not watched that league for a while)
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    seanoconn said:

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Yeah, I suppose you're right tbh
    ftfy
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,655
    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Yea, all the Abu Dhabi Group really want is to be able to drag a small selection of English cart horses to a European Championship.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    they need a certain amount of British players by FA rules and its also pretty good for marketing.

    i'm not saying they are utterly rubbish, just not really that good as proven by (nigh on) 66 years without reaching a final.

    nice jingoism though J - very impressive.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    What wasn’t clear to me was what the plan was to get into the box in goal scoring positions.

    Either go around through or over, right?

    So the wing backs were really full backs, Scotland defended in numbers so through was difficult and the control and speed wasn’t there for going over.

    Think it’s the use of not of the fullbacks here - they had enough space and Scotland were no threat down the sides
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    As an aside, anyone else watching Fuku vs Kobe in the J1 league at the mo'?

    Really quite a good game.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    edited June 2021
    MattFalle said:

    they need a certain amount of British players by FA rules and its also pretty good for marketing.

    i'm not saying they are utterly rubbish, just not really that good as proven by (nigh on) 66 years without reaching a final.

    nice jingoism though J - very impressive.

    Your maths is hopeless.
    The minimum 'homegrown' players is 8 out of 25 in the squad in the Premier League. I don't think there's a requirement to play any of them though.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    yeah. Kane did well last night didn't he?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    And the likes of Reece James, Mason Mount, Chilwell aren't first choice for the Champions League winners, and Stokes, Foden etc aren't first choice for the league winners who only missed one possible match last season.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    One nil to Covid.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Oooh, Hungary!
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    MattFalle said:

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    yeah. Kane did well last night didn't he?

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108

    What wasn’t clear to me was what the plan was to get into the box in goal scoring positions.

    Either go around through or over, right?

    So the wing backs were really full backs, Scotland defended in numbers so through was difficult and the control and speed wasn’t there for going over.

    Think it’s the use of not of the fullbacks here - they had enough space and Scotland were no threat down the sides

    Southgate changed both FBs in what you'd assume was an attacking move but neither really attacked any more than the other pair - so the net result was the loss of Trippier's dead balls. He may as well have picked Wan Bissaka if he wants the FBs to concentrate on defending.

    He also plays Sterling and Foden a right and left footer on the left and right respectively so they aren't providing the width they could - not that Kane is ever there should they cross or cut back - and if they go inside on their good foot Scotland had the numbers to snuff them out. I'd have liked him to have swopped them over and tried to get down the outside more.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    And the likes of Reece James, Mason Mount, Chilwell aren't first choice for the Champions League winners, and Stokes, Foden etc aren't first choice for the league winners who only missed one possible match last season.
    and yet again, not very impressive over the last two games were they?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    good, not great.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    edited June 2021
    MattFalle said:

    MattFalle said:

    seanoconn said:

    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    + Grealish was lapping up attention from the English fans while desperately trying to put pressure on Southgate to come on. Good to see.

    - Messes about with the ball in harmless areas of the pitch until the opposition lose patience and kick him up in the air. Does not add much.

    The top European teams will be tripping over themselves to sign Kane after his Euro performance to date.

    Why does 80% of the English National team look so uncomfortable on the ball? Turning their whole body in a crab like motion to pass and receive, where as most nations seem to knock the ball about with stylish ease?
    point 4: because they aren't actually very good and are flattered/carried by the foreign players around them at club level maybe?
    Because coaches like Tuchel, Mourinho, Guardiola etc don't know a good player when they see one?

    Clearly these players are good - Kane hasn't been arguably the top striker in the strongest league in the world by fluking 20-30 goals a season has he.
    And the likes of Reece James, Mason Mount, Chilwell aren't first choice for the Champions League winners, and Stokes, Foden etc aren't first choice for the league winners who only missed one possible match last season.
    and yet again, not very impressive over the last two games were they?
    Really? Foden, Mount and Stokes have been excellent in both games. James only played last night and Chilwell hasn't had a sniff yet.
    However Kane has been woeful, and plenty of others have been poor.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    a very spozzy 1-0 and nil - nil.

    not exactly taking johnny foreigner apart are they?

    good, not great.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    "plenty of others have been poor"

    in all the posts we've been bickering those are the truest words you've ever written.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    MattFalle said:

    a very spozzy 1-0 and nil - nil.

    not exactly taking johnny foreigner apart are they?

    good, not great.

    The players man for man are better than Italy has - the team clearly are not better than Italy.

    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Sorry?

    Seriously?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Like seriously seriously?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    MattFalle said:

    a very spozzy 1-0 and nil - nil.

    not exactly taking johnny foreigner apart are they?

    good, not great.

    The players man for man are better than Italy has - the team clearly are not better than Italy.

    i've had to quote this for posterity.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    MattFalle said:

    a very spozzy 1-0 and nil - nil.

    not exactly taking johnny foreigner apart are they?

    good, not great.

    Not conceding is underrated in tournament football