Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    That felt much more like the England of old

    Good job we have such a fantastic crop of attacking talent, or we'd struggle to score.
    Heard that story before!!
    "Golden generation"?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    That felt much more like the England of old

    Good job we have such a fantastic crop of attacking talent, or we'd struggle to score.
    Heard that story before!!
    "Golden generation"?
    I do find the pundit reaction to bad performances is subtly different in Holland.

    In England there’s almost an exclusive focus on the quality of players on or off the pitch. We have x. Y scores all this for his club etc.

    In Holland they spend a lot of time talking about the shape & tactics etc - it’s even more dull to listen to.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    I don't get the "moral victory" thing. Is being a bit crap a virtue?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    Also, Shaw looked like he was from a different team, one that wanted overlapping full backs rather than horizontal passes. Didn't work.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    That felt much more like the England of old

    Good job we have such a fantastic crop of attacking talent, or we'd struggle to score.
    Heard that story before!!
    "Golden generation"?
    I do find the pundit reaction to bad performances is subtly different in Holland.

    In England there’s almost an exclusive focus on the quality of players on or off the pitch. We have x. Y scores all this for his club etc.

    In Holland they spend a lot of time talking about the shape & tactics etc - it’s even more dull to listen to.
    I bet.

    Nothing wrong with the shape or tactics today. Seemed quite fluid. The problem was, the fluid in question was treacle.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    A win on Tuesday and qualify in 3rd?
    Not only were England disappointing, bragging rights were lost, and I lost money.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited June 2021
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    That felt much more like the England of old

    Good job we have such a fantastic crop of attacking talent, or we'd struggle to score.
    Heard that story before!!
    "Golden generation"?
    I do find the pundit reaction to bad performances is subtly different in Holland.

    In England there’s almost an exclusive focus on the quality of players on or off the pitch. We have x. Y scores all this for his club etc.

    In Holland they spend a lot of time talking about the shape & tactics etc - it’s even more dull to listen to.
    I bet.

    Nothing wrong with the shape or tactics today. Seemed quite fluid. The problem was, the fluid in question was treacle.
    We often had 4 players pushed right up and static, with Philips and Rice having the about 6 Scotland players between them and the attackers. They had no passing options and if even if they did, they're not playmakers capable of picking out the passes
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    A win on Tuesday and qualify in 3rd?
    Not only were England disappointing, bragging rights were lost, and I lost money.
    Croatia have something to play for. I think they will open Scotland up and we will have to put up with lots of "valiant" and "heroic" hyperbole from the Jockish press.

    England could still finish third in this group - or is it head to head before goal difference?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    elbowloh said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    That felt much more like the England of old

    Good job we have such a fantastic crop of attacking talent, or we'd struggle to score.
    Heard that story before!!
    "Golden generation"?
    I do find the pundit reaction to bad performances is subtly different in Holland.

    In England there’s almost an exclusive focus on the quality of players on or off the pitch. We have x. Y scores all this for his club etc.

    In Holland they spend a lot of time talking about the shape & tactics etc - it’s even more dull to listen to.
    I bet.

    Nothing wrong with the shape or tactics today. Seemed quite fluid. The problem was, the fluid in question was treacle.
    We often had 4 players pushed right up and static, with Philips and Rice having the about 6 Scotland players between them and the attackers. They had no passing options and if even if they did, they're not playmakers capable of picking out the passes
    No, if you do a screen shot and mark the position of the players, then fast forward 30 seconds and overlay the images, you can see that some of them have moved. A bit like that rock in Death Valley.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    I don't get the "moral victory" thing. Is being a bit censored a virtue?
    You have to take into account recent history. Scotland have never been a force on the world stage and in recent decades haven't even qualified. I know there are some small nations who punch above their weight - Croatia, Netherlands for two - but for Scotland a point against the auld enemy is a moral victory.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    On a positive note, the social distancing looked good.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    DeVlaeminck said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    I don't get the "moral victory" thing. Is being a bit censored a virtue?
    You have to take into account recent history. Scotland have never been a force on the world stage and in recent decades haven't even qualified. I know there are some small nations who punch above their weight - Croatia, Netherlands for two - but for Scotland a point against the auld enemy is a moral victory.
    It's not recent history. Scotland have always been shit.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,486
    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    A win on Tuesday and qualify in 3rd?
    Not only were England disappointing, bragging rights were lost, and I lost money.
    Croatia have something to play for. I think they will open Scotland up and we will have to put up with lots of "valiant" and "heroic" hyperbole from the Jockish press.

    England could still finish third in this group - or is it head to head before goal difference?
    Croatia have the same to play for. Logically prior to kick off a draw against England and win against Croatia was more likely than the reverse.

    I think it is head to head. Goal difference comes in if it is between England and Scotland. Safe if Croatia.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Didn’t someone say finishing second was a better draw?
    _
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    First.Aspect said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    I don't get the "moral victory" thing. Is being a bit censored a virtue?
    You have to take into account recent history. Scotland have never been a force on the world stage and in recent decades haven't even qualified. I know there are some small nations who punch above their weight - Croatia, Netherlands for two - but for Scotland a point against the auld enemy is a moral victory.
    It's not recent history. Scotland have always been censored .
    Yes true but go back to the 70s and Scotland probably had better known players than they have recently - add in England missing two WCs and the two were seen as more on a par.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    rick_chasey said:

    Didn’t someone say finishing second was a better draw?

    Worked last time. There's not much chance of beating any of Portugal, Germany or France.
  • twotoebenny
    twotoebenny Posts: 1,542
    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    A win on Tuesday and qualify in 3rd?
    Not only were England disappointing, bragging rights were lost, and I lost money.
    Croatia have something to play for. I think they will open Scotland up and we will have to put up with lots of "valiant" and "heroic" hyperbole from the Jockish press.

    England could still finish third in this group - or is it head to head before goal difference?
    Aren't you the one who constantly harps on about racist scots etc, you're bitter as fcuk... Jockish press?? get a grip ya fanny1 Even on here Scotland were getting pumped 4 or 5! England as always world beaters but guess what perhaps not as good as you all think. I'll take the 0-0 as a moral victory. Get it right up ye!!!!
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    As a neutral I quite enjoyed the game. All conquering England looked devoid of ideas, Plucky also-rans Scotland, sadly for them had Lynden Dykes.

  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    womack said:

    As a neutral I quite enjoyed the game. All conquering England looked devoid of ideas, Plucky also-rans Scotland, sadly for them had Lynden Dykes.

    I am intrigued what you enjoyed about it.

    To me it was one of the most turgid games of football I have seen devoid of nearly any moments of skill or excitement. They each had one attempt on target!!!
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Didn’t someone say finishing second was a better draw?

    Worked last time. There's not much chance of beating any of Portugal, Germany or France or Italy or Belgium or Holland or, well, most of them tbh
    ftfy
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    rick_chasey said:

    Didn’t someone say finishing second was a better draw?

    difference is playing for a tactical draw and just being rubbish, and both teams were the latter last night.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    England won’t get far but Portugal were also very grim in the group stages 5 years ago
    _
  • dabber
    dabber Posts: 1,982
    0 - 0.... wow! That must have been worth watching.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    twotoebenny said:

    First.Aspect said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Pross said:

    Bit embarrassing for the Scots to be celebrating a 0-0 like that.

    I'm gonna disagree Pross - given the mismatch in the squads that's a moral victory even if it's only 1 point.
    They needed a win though really.
    A win on Tuesday and qualify in 3rd?
    Not only were England disappointing, bragging rights were lost, and I lost money.
    Croatia have something to play for. I think they will open Scotland up and we will have to put up with lots of "valiant" and "heroic" hyperbole from the Jockish press.

    England could still finish third in this group - or is it head to head before goal difference?
    Aren't you the one who constantly harps on about racist scots etc, you're bitter as fcuk... Jockish press?? get a grip ya fanny1 Even on here Scotland were getting pumped 4 or 5! England as always world beaters but guess what perhaps not as good as you all think. I'll take the 0-0 as a moral victory. Get it right up ye!!!!
    Touchy as well.as nationalistic.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    orraloon said:

    Usual pattern. Lose the first, tick. Now to draw the 2nd 😉, win the 3rd but go out on goal difference. Rinse and repeat.

    On track.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    It was the lack of imagination in the substitutions for England that irked me, almost like for like so the game continued in pretty much the same fashion. If you are going to try and change the game then they need to be bolder. I think a lot of managers are guilty of that though.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    surrey_commuter said:

    womack said:

    As a neutral I quite enjoyed the game. All conquering England looked devoid of ideas, Plucky also-rans Scotland, sadly for them had Lynden Dykes.

    I am intrigued what you enjoyed about it.

    To me it was one of the most turgid games of football I have seen devoid of nearly any moments of skill or excitement. They each had one attempt on target!!!
    I suppose as not having a horse in the race I was able to watch it just as a football match in a relaxed way.

    I appreciate if I was a supporter of either of the teams I may not have viewed it in the same way.

    Perhaps I was just sucked in by all the hype, the steady supply of cold beers from my host for the evening may also have influenced my view of the game 😊🍺
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,655
    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,379
    Jezyboy said:

    Dire.

    On the other hand, if the header had gone in off the post rather than bouncing back in, suddenly Scotland need to chase the game more and it might have opened up.

    Having said that, Scotland did create some good chances.

    I'm not quite sure what Jack Greaylish added, aside from some tactical being brought down in areas England didn't really need free kicks in.

    I'm left wondering how Harry Kane got the most assists and goals last season. He just seems invisible.

    A lot of players, not just in this match, look absolutely shot. It is normally an issue in international tournaments, but maybe a bit more this time, because of the 1.5 seasons that have just been crammed in.

    It is a preview of Qatar. Bursts of play then some passing while everyone has a rest.

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