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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,095
    TheBigBean said:

    Just need to reclassify Hyde Park as a square.

    By the look of some on that list, the National Mall in Washington DC might as well be included too.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    webboo said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Getting really disheartened by the number of high profile US scholars and academics attributing all sorts of atrocities committed as part of the British Empire to the royals.

    Absolutely not a royalist here - would happily see it all abolished - but I don't really see what they have to do with it.

    If these scholars showed as much interest in the political system of the coloniser as they did in the colonised (as they are plainly related - this is common sense), they'd see what nonsense this all is.

    Perhaps this is where some of the criticism of the politicisation and capture of US universities from their left comes form - it's really weird.

    I think it is a valid question to ask how life would have been different if for example Victoria had opposed colonialism or took an active interest in how we treated the locals
    When you say locals are you meaning in the countries of the empire as opposed to UK locals. Those in the lower echelons of UK society weren’t treated that well either.
    Chuck the whole lot in if you want but I would say the average Brit looks for a toff so he can tug his forelock
    Have you travelled our fair land much?
    and can you think of another country in the world where JRM would not be a laughing stock and that no Govt would appoint his as they would get hammered at the polls.

    As a nation, Brits love a toff to be subservient to
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    webboo said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Getting really disheartened by the number of high profile US scholars and academics attributing all sorts of atrocities committed as part of the British Empire to the royals.

    Absolutely not a royalist here - would happily see it all abolished - but I don't really see what they have to do with it.

    If these scholars showed as much interest in the political system of the coloniser as they did in the colonised (as they are plainly related - this is common sense), they'd see what nonsense this all is.

    Perhaps this is where some of the criticism of the politicisation and capture of US universities from their left comes form - it's really weird.

    I think it is a valid question to ask how life would have been different if for example Victoria had opposed colonialism or took an active interest in how we treated the locals
    When you say locals are you meaning in the countries of the empire as opposed to UK locals. Those in the lower echelons of UK society weren’t treated that well either.
    Chuck the whole lot in if you want but I would say the average Brit looks for a toff so he can tug his forelock
    Have you travelled our fair land much?
    and can you think of another country in the world where JRM would not be a laughing stock and that no Govt would appoint his as they would get hammered at the polls.

    As a nation, Brits love a toff to be subservient to
    I do concede the JRM point. It really does baffle me. I think he has spies and lots of dirt on people.

    But, outside of Surrey, there is a whole world of people for whom f' off is the only response a toff would get. I do agree there is a significant minority for whom subservience equates to some higher purpose. I suspect Surrey has a disproportionate share of those types.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,127
    I'm staggered by the amount of people waiting by the side of the road for the procession.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,127
    I don't think even the TDF gets as many fans.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,334
    coverage reminds me of the o j simpson chase, how much broadcast time really needs to be devoted to a car driving along a road, absurd

    i see luxair are doing well out of trois's travels
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,270
    My mum happened to be in London for Winston Churchill's funeral, and from time to time commented how moving she found it being part of the massive crowd that lined the route but that was so quiet she could hear the procession approaching from a long way off.

    I think if I were somewhere in the vicinty where I could get a bit of a view, I'd probably be a part of that...

    ...but as I won't be, I'll go and ride my bike instead, as I did for Diana's funeral. My way of paying respect, you understand, being away with my own thoughts.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,127
    I think it's great to see the passion of people and clearly she meant a lot.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Not watching any of that, not my thing, but I assume there will be a veritable forest of nazi salutes visible, muppets with their phones...
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,132
    edited September 2022
    I am staggered by the collective disconnect between the strength of public sentiment and the perceived strength of public sentiment.

    For example
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62893476

    Even my own employer has cancelled a meeting on Tuesday so people don't have to travel on Monday.

    Well heck, let's all avoid meetings on any Monday, or any Tuesday after a Bank Holiday. That would be good.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    I guess the Government support during Covid meant they didn’t get badly affected by the lockdown if they were voluntarily going to lose money for the funeral.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,132
    Pross said:

    I guess the Government support during Covid meant they didn’t get badly affected by the lockdown if they were voluntarily going to lose money for the funeral.

    Grade A for virtue signalling, though. Grade D for consequential thinking though.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,500
    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    webboo said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Getting really disheartened by the number of high profile US scholars and academics attributing all sorts of atrocities committed as part of the British Empire to the royals.

    Absolutely not a royalist here - would happily see it all abolished - but I don't really see what they have to do with it.

    If these scholars showed as much interest in the political system of the coloniser as they did in the colonised (as they are plainly related - this is common sense), they'd see what nonsense this all is.

    Perhaps this is where some of the criticism of the politicisation and capture of US universities from their left comes form - it's really weird.

    I think it is a valid question to ask how life would have been different if for example Victoria had opposed colonialism or took an active interest in how we treated the locals
    When you say locals are you meaning in the countries of the empire as opposed to UK locals. Those in the lower echelons of UK society weren’t treated that well either.
    Chuck the whole lot in if you want but I would say the average Brit looks for a toff so he can tug his forelock
    Have you travelled our fair land much?
    and can you think of another country in the world where JRM would not be a laughing stock and that no Govt would appoint his as they would get hammered at the polls.

    As a nation, Brits love a toff to be subservient to
    They voted for the blond guy specifically because he was a laughing stock, so I'm not sure your argument works.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Just shaking my head in bafflement at the pictures of people bedding down for the night on the pavement in the rain.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648


    LOL
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    morstar said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    webboo said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Getting really disheartened by the number of high profile US scholars and academics attributing all sorts of atrocities committed as part of the British Empire to the royals.

    Absolutely not a royalist here - would happily see it all abolished - but I don't really see what they have to do with it.

    If these scholars showed as much interest in the political system of the coloniser as they did in the colonised (as they are plainly related - this is common sense), they'd see what nonsense this all is.

    Perhaps this is where some of the criticism of the politicisation and capture of US universities from their left comes form - it's really weird.

    I think it is a valid question to ask how life would have been different if for example Victoria had opposed colonialism or took an active interest in how we treated the locals
    When you say locals are you meaning in the countries of the empire as opposed to UK locals. Those in the lower echelons of UK society weren’t treated that well either.
    Chuck the whole lot in if you want but I would say the average Brit looks for a toff so he can tug his forelock
    Have you travelled our fair land much?
    and can you think of another country in the world where JRM would not be a laughing stock and that no Govt would appoint his as they would get hammered at the polls.

    As a nation, Brits love a toff to be subservient to
    They voted for the blond guy specifically because he was a laughing stock, so I'm not sure your argument works.
    I don'think you understand my argument as that would be the Eton and Oxford educated blond guy?

    As a counter argument think of all the non-toff laughing stocks and see how far they got.

    From the strange people sleeping rough to see a coffin to northerners voting for the anti-establishment Brexiteers there are a lot of people in this country who have a love of being deferential.

    Consider this - when a member of our army dies why is so much more prominence give to the death of an officer?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    verylonglegs said:

    Just shaking my head in bafflement at the pictures of people bedding down for the night on the pavement in the rain.

    this.

    its mad. utterly mad.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    MattFalle said:

    verylonglegs said:

    Just shaking my head in bafflement at the pictures of people bedding down for the night on the pavement in the rain.

    this.

    its mad. utterly mad.
    Haven't you spent half your working life sleeping rough on the Brecon Beacons in service of the Queen?
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    verylonglegs said:

    Just shaking my head in bafflement at the pictures of people bedding down for the night on the pavement in the rain.

    this.

    its mad. utterly mad.
    Haven't you spent half your working life sleeping rough on the Brecon Beacons in service of the Queen?
    yup, but it wasn't on a pavement smelling of old kebab andpiss waiting for a wooden box to trundle past which may - or may not - contain a dead body (because can any one actually verify Liz is in there or if its the actual coffin?).


    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    Can anyone even verify she's dead? Maybe meeting with Johnson and Truss made her decide feigning her own death to avoid dealing with such imbeciles was the only solution.

    My opinion is the coffin will be empty. If your mother had just died would you want hundreds of thousands traipsing past her to gawp and try to sneak a photo?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    But these Royals are all otherwordly reptilian lizards masquerading as human beans, so of course the box is empty. She's gorn. That would account for all the strange lights in the sky and loud noises over the Grampian mountains last week, as reported. Or at least as manc33 told me.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    I am meantto be in the office tomorrow and quite looking forwrds to seeing the nutters close up.

    Has anybody else been into Town and are the trains OK?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:


    Has anybody else been into Town and are the trains OK?

    errr
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/prince-andrew-epstein-sexual-abuse-investigation

    British authorities protected Prince Andrew from US prosecutors investigating his relationship with the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, according to a new book by a US attorney who led the investigation in New York.
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    rick_chasey said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/prince-andrew-epstein-sexual-abuse-investigation

    British authorities protected Prince Andrew from US prosecutors investigating his relationship with the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, according to a new book by a US attorney who led the investigation in New York.
    Of course they did. The Establishment protecting themselves. Flip it over and there is the killer driver Anne Sacoolas in the Harry Dunn case, US Establishment protecting...
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    orraloon said:

    rick_chasey said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/prince-andrew-epstein-sexual-abuse-investigation

    British authorities protected Prince Andrew from US prosecutors investigating his relationship with the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, according to a new book by a US attorney who led the investigation in New York.
    Of course they did. The Establishment protecting themselves. Flip it over and there is the killer driver Anne Sacoolas in the Harry Dunn case, US Establishment protecting...
    each looks after their own in every demographic and strata of society.

    its always been done and always will be.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • beansnikpoh
    beansnikpoh Posts: 1,533
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:


    Has anybody else been into Town and are the trains OK?

    errr
    I rode in - traffic is worse than usual due to road closures. Dunno about trains.
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,926
    They should set up 5 empty boxes with flags on top, tell everyone at each location that she is in the box and massively increase the speed you can process the gawpers.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,461
    surrey_commuter said:

    I am meantto be in the office tomorrow and quite looking forwrds to seeing the nutters close up.

    Has anybody else been into Town and are the trains OK?

    The trains will probably be OK for you, you don't have to travel with the bumpkins on the turnip line like others.
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,926
    edited September 2022
    surrey_commuter said:

    I am meantto be in the office tomorrow and quite looking forwrds to seeing the nutters close up.

    Has anybody else been into Town and are the trains OK?

    I rode (a motorbike) in today and the traffic was pretty bad (i ride along the south bank so got caught up in the tailbacks from the bridges being closed)

    My wife got the train in this morning from Ashtead and no problems.

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