Tennis G.O.A.T?

pblakeney

mrb123 said:

Pross said:

Nadal speaking some sense.

What's he said?

"Djokovic, he adds, "made his own decisions, and everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences"."

Pretty much what I've been saying about vaccines for the past year.

rick_chasey

Would say it is remarkable that the BBC news felt the need to put this above the Kazak potential revolution on the bill.

First.Aspect

Disappointing that Russel Fuller just claimed he was a political football.

So, BBC -

visa being granted to world no. 1 and world's healthiest 34 year old, just one of 4 of the 26 such applications from tennis players = perfectly independent decision

But said player rocking up with a visa but no proof of a positive PCR test in the last 6 months = political interference.

That is p!ss poor fanboy journalism.

focuszing723

This is a serious matter it's not some kind of Toga party!

Pross

He should claim it is a work meeting, that would be accepted in the UK.

pblakeney

Pross said:

He should claim it is a work meeting, that would be accepted in the UK.

Key point is he is not in the UK. Oz is applying the rules across the board unlike the UK which created specific exemptions in order to host the Euros.

mrb123

So it seems the Djoker's vaccine exemption was based on a claim that he tested positive for Covid on 16th December.

seanoconn

mrb123 said:

So it seems the Djoker's vaccine exemption was based on a claim that he tested positive for Covid on 16th December.

I wonder how he proves it was his positive test. They should be able to test him for antibodies?

sungod

seanoconn said:

mrb123 said:

So it seems the Djoker's vaccine exemption was based on a claim that he tested positive for Covid on 16th December.

I wonder how he proves it was his positive test. They should be able to test him for antibodies?

yep, he should volunteer for a blood test, at worst it'll be inconclusive, but as he's unvaccinated the presence of c19 antibodies could only support his case, may be left over bits of c19 still floating around as well

it seems a remarkable coincidence that he tested positive at just the right time, not too soon to be applicable, not too late to rule out travel to the event, not too serious to affect his health

also can't recall any announcement that he had covid but it being no problem at all thus supporting his position on vaccination

seanoconn

sungod said:

seanoconn said:

mrb123 said:

So it seems the Djoker's vaccine exemption was based on a claim that he tested positive for Covid on 16th December.

I wonder how he proves it was his positive test. They should be able to test him for antibodies?

yep, he should volunteer for a blood test, at worst it'll be inconclusive, but as he's unvaccinated the presence of c19 antibodies could only support his case, may be left over bits of c19 still floating around as well

it seems a remarkable coincidence that he tested positive at just the right time, not too soon to be applicable, not too late to rule out travel to the event, not too serious to affect his health

also can't recall any announcement that he had covid but it being no problem at all thus supporting his position on vaccination

There was no report of him having covid. If he refuses a blood test or no antibodies are found, a lengthy bad might be in order (might be jumping the gun here 😂)

First.Aspect

Does it actually make any difference? The BBC reporting is characteristically hopeless, but it seems to be that Federal requirements differ from Victorian requirements - so you can get into Victoria on this basis, but can't get into the country from abroad.

Not sure how he had the visa in the first place, if that's the, though.

Pross

I suspect the last thing he'll want is a sample of his blood in the public domain.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

When filling in his Aus Open exemption form no later than 10th December, how did he know he would test positve on 16th?

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479737150967107586

orraloon

seanoconn

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

When filling in his Aus Open exemption form no later than 10th December, how did he know he would test positve on 16th?

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479737150967107586

Djokovic in serious danger of tarnishing his legacy permanently. Arrogance unsurprisingly his ruination.

JimD666

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

When filling in his Aus Open exemption form no later than 10th December, how did he know he would test positve on 16th?

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479737150967107586

Well considering he believes you can purify water by positive thought, knowing he'd test positive should be fairly simple in comparison.

pblakeney

rick_chasey

Well he won the appeal!

pblakeney

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

They're all starting to look a bit silly aren't they? If he was told that getting himself a positive test at a convenient moment would get him the exemption, then it's absolutely understandable that's what he would have done.

Surely nobody has any real confidence that he actually had covid though?

pblakeney

Australian Tennis looking stupid for telling him that he could go.
Djokovic looking stupid with his Covid claims and actions while "infected".

wallace_and_gromit

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

They're all starting to look a bit silly aren't they?

I think the Australian authorities would achieve the seemingly impossible in surrendering the moral highground to Novax if they have another go at this. Their original deportation order was overturned (I think they actually withdrew it before it was formally overturned) due to basic process failures - not given Novax time to address the issues raised - and such cakchandedness really deserves to end in failure, even if the beneficiary is the world's least deserving cause.

focuszing723

pblakeney said:

Australian Tennis looking stupid for telling him that he could go.
Djokovic looking stupid with his Covid claims and actions while "infected".

Fifteen all then.

Ben6899

Sounds more like "new balls" to me.

Absolute farce, with a massivebellend in the middle of it all.

focuszing723

Time called for injury?

TheBigBean

He seems to have also submitted an anti-body test with his visa application.

kingstongraham

wallace_and_gromit said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

They're all starting to look a bit silly aren't they?

I think the Australian authorities would achieve the seemingly impossible in surrendering the moral highground to Novax if they have another go at this. Their original deportation order was overturned (I think they actually withdrew it before it was formally overturned) due to basic process failures - not given Novax time to address the issues raised - and such cakchandedness really deserves to end in failure, even if the beneficiary is the world's least deserving cause.

I agree - Australia will need to do a Netherlands style land reclamation project to put Novak on a moral ground that is relatively higher on this.

Pross

wallace_and_gromit said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

They're all starting to look a bit silly aren't they?

I think the Australian authorities would achieve the seemingly impossible in surrendering the moral highground to Novax if they have another go at this. Their original deportation order was overturned (I think they actually withdrew it before it was formally overturned) due to basic process failures - not given Novax time to address the issues raised - and such cakchandedness really deserves to end in failure, even if the beneficiary is the world's least deserving cause.

They had also exempted at least two other people on the same basis and had to round them up and deport them. As they weren't superstars of the sport they couldn't afford to fight the decision.

TheBigBean

Pross said:

wallace_and_gromit said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

It's not over yet though.
"Australia's immigration minister is considering using his power to re-cancel the visa.
The government insists that Djokovic's recent Covid infection does not make him eligible for an exemption from entry rules."

They're all starting to look a bit silly aren't they?

I think the Australian authorities would achieve the seemingly impossible in surrendering the moral highground to Novax if they have another go at this. Their original deportation order was overturned (I think they actually withdrew it before it was formally overturned) due to basic process failures - not given Novax time to address the issues raised - and such cakchandedness really deserves to end in failure, even if the beneficiary is the world's least deserving cause.

They had also exempted at least two other people on the same basis and had to round them up and deport them. As they weren't superstars of the sport they couldn't afford to fight the decision.

No doubt they will also get a three year ban from Australia and deported stamped in their passport. Australia is really not covering itself in glory here.

First.Aspect

I'm struggling to follow this. If the process had been followed correctly that morning, would he have been deported, or did he eventually provide sufficient proof that he (or someone very close to him!!) had tested positive?