Tennis G.O.A.T?

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/64997434

    Oh dear, never mind!

    Not a grand slam though so no biggie. Free to enter after April so will be at the big one.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,158
    You'd have to say it's going to be Novac.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    As I said, post 2, page 1. 😉
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  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    _
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    Uninformed lol.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,158
    He can't be a full on pr@ because he hugs trees and trees are nice.
  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,719
    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat complete and utter tw@, but he’s also a contender for the title of GOAT.

    FTFY.

    I've said it before here, I could care less about Nadal, Fed, Djok or any others. Rod Laver is still the GOAT; twice - repeat TWICE - winner of the calendar Grand Slam. If/when anyone else achieves that... I'll reconsider. Carry on.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,158
    Wheelspinner said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat complete and utter tw@, but he’s also a contender for the title of GOAT.

    FTFY.

    I've said it before here, I could care less about Nadal, Fed, Djok or any others. Rod Laver is still the GOAT; twice - repeat TWICE - winner of the calendar Grand Slam. If/when anyone else achieves that... I'll reconsider. Carry on.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    Uninformed lol.
    On what basis is he the greatest of all time?
    _
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    Uninformed lol.
    On what basis is he the greatest of all time?
    Have a read through.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/65868835
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  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    Uninformed lol.
    On what basis is he the greatest of all time?
    Have a read through.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/65868835
    I think Rick’s trolling again.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    seanoconn said:

    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    We have our favourites and Novak is a bit of a prat but he’s also the GOAT.

    Lol no
    Uninformed lol.
    On what basis is he the greatest of all time?
    Have a read through.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/65868835
    I think Rick’s trolling again.
    Could be but sometimes I really do wonder….
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,048
    edited June 2023
    The stats will currently say he is the goat in a purely numbers based approach.

    Personally a 'greatest of all time' would be someone whose style of play, attitude and demeanour strike a cord with me, AND they happen to be very successful.

    I realise that is a very personal goat, and not in the stats etc, but for me Djok will never be my tennis goat :D

    I appreciate no one in the world will care about that either o:)
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Not all slams are equal in worth really as you need to take the opposition into account.

    He came into two other contenders at the back end of their extremely lengthy careers (which mitigates his head-to-head record with them) and since then he’s had poor competition.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    Djokovic won his first slams a couple of years before Federer peaked. Who would you say is the GOAT?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    pblakeney said:

    Djokovic won his first slams a couple of years before Federer peaked. Who would you say is the GOAT?

    Probably Federer if we’re talking men’s. And not because I’m biased towards grass either.
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  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    edited June 2023
    rick_chasey said:

    Not all slams are equal in worth really as you need to take the opposition into account.

    He came into two other contenders at the back end of their extremely lengthy careers (which mitigates his head-to-head record with them) and since then he’s had poor competition.

    😂😂😂 Tennis obviously not your forte. He turned pro in 2003! Only two years after Nadal, who’s only a year older. Went toe toe with the big dogs for years. The “back end” of Federer and Nadal were still winning slams so I’d hardly say they were reduced.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited June 2023
    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Not all slams are equal in worth really as you need to take the opposition into account.

    He came into two other contenders at the back end of their extremely lengthy careers (which mitigates his head-to-head record with them) and since then he’s had poor competition.

    😂😂😂 Tennis obviously not your forte. He turned pro in 2003! Only two years after Nadal, who’s only a year older. Went toe toe with the big dogs for years. The “back end” of Federer and Nadal were still winning slams so I’d hardly say they were reduced.
    Prime Federer was 2004 to 2009. Prime Djokovic was 2011 - 2016.

    8 of Djokovic’s slams came post 2019 where competition was markedly weaker than before.

    I also reckon Federer’s “peak” was higher.
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  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    rick_chasey said:

    seanoconn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Not all slams are equal in worth really as you need to take the opposition into account.

    He came into two other contenders at the back end of their extremely lengthy careers (which mitigates his head-to-head record with them) and since then he’s had poor competition.

    😂😂😂 Tennis obviously not your forte. He turned pro in 2003! Only two years after Nadal, who’s only a year older. Went toe toe with the big dogs for years. The “back end” of Federer and Nadal were still winning slams so I’d hardly say they were reduced.
    Prime Federer was 2004 to 2009. Prime Djokovic was 2011 - 2016.

    8 of Djokovic’s slams came post 2019 where competition was markedly weaker than before.

    I also reckon Federer’s “peak” was higher.
    So what you’re saying is that Federer only won so many grand slams because Djokovic hadn’t reached prime form and Nadal’s all court game hadn’t matured yet. And once that happened, his opportunities for slams were greatly reduced? Harsh.
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  • seanoconn
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    And by your own admission. Federer won his first 16 grand slams with markedly weaker competition than after.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    Djokovic won his first slams a couple of years before Federer peaked. Who would you say is the GOAT?

    Probably Federer if we’re talking men’s. And not because I’m biased towards grass either.
    As pointed out above it could be argued that Federer got his early wins against weak opposition. This argument can be used about anyone at any sport.
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  • seanoconn
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    I do remember Federer being more dominant than the others in his ‘peak’ less competition years and his record for most ATP titles backs this up.

    Was close between Nadal and Djokovic but with easily the most weeks ranked No1 and most slams…. There can be only one.
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  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,699
    I know his record doesn’t stack up in terms of Grand Slams, but Borg is the man in my view. I’m biased as he won Wimbledon for the first 5 years I was aware of its existence.

    We were spoilt with the Borg-McEnroe rivalry.

    Or maybe I’m a crusty old git falling into the trap of thinking it was all so much better “back in the day”!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,542
    wallace_and_gromit said:

    I know his record doesn’t stack up in terms of Grand Slams, but Borg is the man in my view. I’m biased as he won Wimbledon for the first 5 years I was aware of its existence.

    We were spoilt with the Borg-McEnroe rivalry.

    Or maybe I’m a crusty old git falling into the trap of thinking it was all so much better “back in the day”!

    I’m just glad I’ve seen from Connors through to today, and hopefully a lot more.
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  • wallace_and_gromit
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    pblakeney said:

    I’m just glad I’ve seen from Connors through to today, and hopefully a lot more.

    Indeed. Same on the ladies' side having seen Evert, Martina, Steffi, Seles, Hingis and Serena all at their best.

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,158
    Please can someone give me a Tennis score update on Novac's goatness?

    Cheers.
  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 680
    What's the point in being statistically best if most people still think you're a kn0b?
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    focuszing723 said:

    Please can someone give me a Tennis score update on Novac's goatness?

    Cheers.

    Bikeradar Open tennis goatness championship

    Djokovic 2 sets to 1 up, serving with a break in the 4th.
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  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,775
    Munsford0 said:

    What's the point in being statistically best if most people still think you're a kn0b?

    Smugness? 🤷‍♂️
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