S*** Small Races Thread - 2021
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Bouhanni is utterly classless. Hope the UCI throw the book at him:
https://cyclingnews.com/news/nacer-bouhanni-if-jake-stewart-really-saw-his-life-flash-before-his-eyes-id-advise-him-to-give-up-sprinting/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=cyclingnews&fbclid=IwAR3xoD5eWqWhbVQ1hs7zseZoKWn9WwHobas_9QMcAs2RGeTOYdxOMIYch_w0 -
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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To be fair, Bouhanni seems to have given up sprinting some time around 2017 so maybe he experienced it too.Dorset_Boy said:Bouhanni is utterly classless. Hope the UCI throw the book at him:
https://cyclingnews.com/news/nacer-bouhanni-if-jake-stewart-really-saw-his-life-flash-before-his-eyes-id-advise-him-to-give-up-sprinting/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=cyclingnews&fbclid=IwAR3xoD5eWqWhbVQ1hs7zseZoKWn9WwHobas_9QMcAs2RGeTOYdxOMIYch_w
I'm amazed he's still only 30, he seems to have been behaving like a c0ck forever.0 -
How can he defend himself against that...pinno said:Yeah, had a good look at that: (slow mo at 4 mins 30)
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Err, like this: (as in the article link posted)
"Concerning Jake Stewart, he is young and he will do other sprints - for a long time, I hope. If he really saw his life flash like he said in that interview, I would advise him to give up sprinting.
"Everyone knows there are risks, unfortunately. This is not the Care Bears; sometimes there are crashes, but that’s part of cycling.
"And I repeat one last time, I never wanted to to make him crash. I have no interest in wanting to put us in danger."
Tw@t comes to mind.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Away from the incident, looking at the run in to that it felt like the front 3 blew a good chance to stay away. They seemed to sit up a bit a couple of times with the easing just under 2km out being at a time where it looked like they were going to hold on.bobmcstuff said:
How can he defend himself against that...pinno said:Yeah, had a good look at that: (slow mo at 4 mins 30)
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Bouhanni's filing a complaint with police over racist abuse he says he has suffered on social media.
The handful of comments underneath are interesting in so much that they appear to alternate with "Oh look he's played the race/victim card," countered by "Racism is unacceptable" and "unbelievable."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nacer-bouhanni-subjected-to-online-racist-abuse-after-cholet-sprint-incident/#disqus_thread"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Looks pretty damn clear cut to me.0 -
It does doesn't it?andyp said:
Looks pretty damn clear cut to me.
This particular armchair warrior courageously used Cyclingnews as a third party, to outsource his bile, too."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
That Tweet is obviously unacceptable, is the person who made it employed in cycling? I assume they are by the re-Tweet citing it as an example of racism being a problem in cycling. If so they need some form of action.andyp said:
Looks pretty damn clear cut to me.0 -
Bouhanni is a dick. That tweet us one of the very few that I have ever bothered flagging as abusive, when I saw it yesterday (don't do much Twitter).0
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I wondered about that too.Pross said:
That Tweet is obviously unacceptable, is the person who made it employed in cycling? I assume they are by the re-Tweet citing it as an example of racism being a problem in cycling. If so they need some form of action.andyp said:
Looks pretty damn clear cut to me.
Why would somebody who obviously doesn’t have English follow the cyclingnewsfeed?
Came to the conclusion that it’s probably some random French racist who happens to follow cycling, reacting to the name, rather than someone employed in cycling.
I think the re-tweeter was generalising, but I am guessing.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
blazing_saddles said:
Why would somebody who obviously doesn’t have English follow the cyclingnewsfeed?
Came to the conclusion that it’s probably some random French racist who happens to follow cycling, reacting to the name, rather than someone employed in cycling.
I think the re-tweeter was generalising, but I am guessing.
They're Austrian. Nothing to do with cycling it would appear other than a follower. Last two cyclists followed: Quinn Simmonds & Chloe DygertTwitter: @RichN950 -
I presume that whilst the UCI will be sympathetic to the racist comments, it will be set aside when deliberating over the Stewart incident.
When Sagan put an elbow out and got chucked off the TdF, at least he was apologetic but NB didn't react well to the incident and has been seemingly unapologetic.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
He's also got a lot more form. The only reason Groenewegen's barge was worse was the consequences of the rubbish barriers and the speed from a downhill sprint (neither of which were his fault). I think there was some intent in that incident but in this incident the intent was blatantly obvious and Bouhanni seemed to have given up on the sprint to pursue Stewart instead. I think Groenewegen's suspension is a bit excessive but Bouhanni deserves whatever he gets.pinno said:I presume that whilst the UCI will be sympathetic to the racist comments, it will be set aside when deliberating over the Stewart incident.
When Sagan put an elbow out and got chucked off the TdF, at least he was apologetic but NB didn't react well to the incident and has been seemingly unapologetic.0 -
If he gets a similar length ban to DG it could be a career ender. Given his lack of recent results and the fact his contract is up at the end of the season0
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Can someone compile a list of all this form that you claim Bouhanni has? I can think of two other incidents;
1. The Jack Bauer punch
2. The sprint with Michael Matthews in Paris-Nice in 2016. Which was six of one, half a dozen of the other anyway.
For all this talk of him deserving everything he gets, I don't see that he has more transgressions than any other top level sprinter. Sprints are chaotic and incidents happen, which often look far worse on tv, especially in slow motion. For all his reputation, which lets be blunt is because he's of north African heritage, he's no worse than any other sprinter.0 -
Where is your evidence for the comment in bold? It's clear from the over head shot that Bouhanni's lead out man was slowing and Bouhanni was unable to go right because of other riders, so he has to check, to avoid his teammate's back wheel, then goes left into a gap that Stewart was also going for. They clash, of that there is no doubt, but you cannot prove your statement that he intentionally went looking for Stewart. Why the hyperbole?Pross said:
He's also got a lot more form. The only reason Groenewegen's barge was worse was the consequences of the rubbish barriers and the speed from a downhill sprint (neither of which were his fault). I think there was some intent in that incident but in this incident the intent was blatantly obvious and Bouhanni seemed to have given up on the sprint to pursue Stewart instead. I think Groenewegen's suspension is a bit excessive but Bouhanni deserves whatever he gets.
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His Wikipedia has a section called "Incidents". Not many cyclists have one of those.andyp said:Can someone compile a list of all this form that you claim Bouhanni has? I can think of two other incidents;
1. The Jack Bauer punch
2. The sprint with Michael Matthews in Paris-Nice in 2016. Which was six of one, half a dozen of the other anyway.
For all this talk of him deserving everything he gets, I don't see that he has more transgressions than any other top level sprinter. Sprints are chaotic and incidents happen, which often look far worse on tv, especially in slow motion. For all his reputation, which lets be blunt is because he's of north African heritage, he's no worse than any other sprinter.
That section has 5 different incidents (one of which you mention) and doesn't mention the fight at the French Championships that left him with a broken hand and missing the Tour in 20160 -
He followed him across the road and at the point when you would have expected him to accelerate he goes sideways into Stewart instead. If you don't think his move was deliberate then fine, to me it is as blatant a move as I can recall. I don't believe it's hyperbole and you appear to be in a minority of one on here in thinking he was making some kind of racing move.andyp said:
Where is your evidence for the comment in bold? It's clear from the over head shot that Bouhanni's lead out man was slowing and Bouhanni was unable to go right because of other riders, so he has to check, to avoid his teammate's back wheel, then goes left into a gap that Stewart was also going for. They clash, of that there is no doubt, but you cannot prove your statement that he intentionally went looking for Stewart. Why the hyperbole?Pross said:
He's also got a lot more form. The only reason Groenewegen's barge was worse was the consequences of the rubbish barriers and the speed from a downhill sprint (neither of which were his fault). I think there was some intent in that incident but in this incident the intent was blatantly obvious and Bouhanni seemed to have given up on the sprint to pursue Stewart instead. I think Groenewegen's suspension is a bit excessive but Bouhanni deserves whatever he gets.0 -
andyp said:
Can someone compile a list of all this form that you claim Bouhanni has? I can think of two other incidents;
1. The Jack Bauer punch
2. The sprint with Michael Matthews in Paris-Nice in 2016. Which was six of one, half a dozen of the other anyway.
One year he missed the Tour after punching some wedding guests. Not a wedding he was a guest at either.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Just took another look at nothing changes my mind. Stewart moves left, Bouhanni follows him, a gap opens that would have allowed him to go left of his lead out man and then up the right of Viviani but he just keeps going left and sticks his hip and shoulder into Stewart instead.Pross said:
He followed him across the road and at the point when you would have expected him to accelerate he goes sideways into Stewart instead. If you don't think his move was deliberate then fine, to me it is as blatant a move as I can recall. I don't believe it's hyperbole and you appear to be in a minority of one on here in thinking he was making some kind of racing move.andyp said:
Where is your evidence for the comment in bold? It's clear from the over head shot that Bouhanni's lead out man was slowing and Bouhanni was unable to go right because of other riders, so he has to check, to avoid his teammate's back wheel, then goes left into a gap that Stewart was also going for. They clash, of that there is no doubt, but you cannot prove your statement that he intentionally went looking for Stewart. Why the hyperbole?Pross said:
He's also got a lot more form. The only reason Groenewegen's barge was worse was the consequences of the rubbish barriers and the speed from a downhill sprint (neither of which were his fault). I think there was some intent in that incident but in this incident the intent was blatantly obvious and Bouhanni seemed to have given up on the sprint to pursue Stewart instead. I think Groenewegen's suspension is a bit excessive but Bouhanni deserves whatever he gets.0 -
As for it all being because of his North African heritage, when the whole racism thing got mentioned yesterday I couldn't work out what people were on about and it took me a while to remember that. I just think of him as a French cyclist, obviously that Tweet that was posted shows that isn't the case with everyone but I doubt it is the first thing people think of when his name gets mentioned.1
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I don't actually mind him that much - everyone needs a villain - but surely if DG gets 9 months for the same move Bouhani should get similar - which is what I've been arguing for a long time with DG.
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Consistency in the application of the rules is what we should all be asking for. I don't think Groenewegen deserved a 9 month ban for his move in Poland. It was deliberate and deserved disqualification, but the consequences were awful and that was the major factor in the ban. Bouhanni was, rightly, disqualified but does his move also warrant a 9 month ban? The answer is clearly no. Will the UCI apply the rules consistently? Who knows, least of all them, and that is the major problem here.1
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I agree with you.andyp said:Consistency in the application of the rules is what we should all be asking for. I don't think Groenewegen deserved a 9 month ban for his move in Poland. It was deliberate and deserved disqualification, but the consequences were awful and that was the major factor in the ban. Bouhanni was, rightly, disqualified but does his move also warrant a 9 month ban? The answer is clearly no. Will the UCI apply the rules consistently? Who knows, least of all them, and that is the major problem here.
However, I think as far as the UCI are concerned, everything changed post Poland and the demand from the riders for increased safety protocols.
Given that when it's a coin toss between logic and bureaucracy, the UCI consistently take the bureaucratic option, I expect harsher sanctions for riders to follow.
It's easy, doesn't cost a cent and may make the riders think twice before making the pen pushers lose a few rounds of golf, or the odd free lunch.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
If a rider is going to get a DQ for throwing an empty bottle to a spectator then the sanction for deliberately causing another rider to crash needs to be far more severe though I would argue.andyp said:Consistency in the application of the rules is what we should all be asking for. I don't think Groenewegen deserved a 9 month ban for his move in Poland. It was deliberate and deserved disqualification, but the consequences were awful and that was the major factor in the ban. Bouhanni was, rightly, disqualified but does his move also warrant a 9 month ban? The answer is clearly no. Will the UCI apply the rules consistently? Who knows, least of all them, and that is the major problem here.
It's interesting that you believe Groenewegen's move was deliberate but seemed to disagree that Bouhanni's was when to me DG was slightly less obvious.0 -
DG definitely wanted to shut the door.Pross said:
If a rider is going to get a DQ for throwing an empty bottle to a spectator then the sanction for deliberately causing another rider to crash needs to be far more severe though I would argue.andyp said:Consistency in the application of the rules is what we should all be asking for. I don't think Groenewegen deserved a 9 month ban for his move in Poland. It was deliberate and deserved disqualification, but the consequences were awful and that was the major factor in the ban. Bouhanni was, rightly, disqualified but does his move also warrant a 9 month ban? The answer is clearly no. Will the UCI apply the rules consistently? Who knows, least of all them, and that is the major problem here.
It's interesting that you believe Groenewegen's move was deliberate but seemed to disagree that Bouhanni's was when to me DG was slightly less obvious.
He did not want to cause a crash.0 -
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