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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,822
    ballysmate said:

    rick_chasey said:

    I mean given her name was literally on the same ticket as Biden when he was elected... 🙄🙄🙄


    Her name was on the ticket but it's no formality.
    Harris may have been the sixth most popular among her own party, but that is not necessarily a reflection of her popularity with the general public. This is the same mistake Labour made with Corbyn.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    No idea what her standing is with the public and not particularly interested to be honest.
    Just think it bizarre that the party could put forward a candidate that they themselves think is less suitable than, by that stage, 4 others.
    Corbyn was voted for by his party and was not 6th choice.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    edited November 2020
    ballysmate said:

    No idea what her standing is with the public and not particularly interested to be honest.
    Just think it bizarre that the party could put forward a candidate that they themselves think is less suitable than, by that stage, 4 others.
    Corbyn was voted for by his party and was not 6th choice.

    There is no way of knowing how well she would have done if Biden wasn't also available to vote for. To be fair though, Sanders would probably win if they didn't think he had to win a general election.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    No idea what her standing is with the public and not particularly interested to be honest.
    Just think it bizarre that the party could put forward a candidate that they themselves think is less suitable than, by that stage, 4 others.
    Corbyn was voted for by his party and was not 6th choice.

    There is no way of knowing how well she would have done if Biden wasn't also available to vote for. To be fair though, Sanders would probably win if they didn't think he had to win a general election.

    Correct.
    But there is a way of knowing how suitable the party thought she was to take on the top job.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,822
    edited November 2020
    ballysmate said:

    No idea what her standing is with the public and not particularly interested to be honest.
    Just think it bizarre that the party could put forward a candidate that they themselves think is less suitable than, by that stage, 4 others.
    Corbyn was voted for by his party and was not 6th choice.

    I think parties are poor judges of what the general public think. Biden picked Harris, not the party. Corbyn was very much not the choice of his fellow MPs.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    edited November 2020
    Yes he did. But if he were to check out before 20 Jan, the party gets to pick the nominee
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,822
    I guess we will find out if that scenario arrives. I did think all the bluster from the likes of AOC and Naomi Klein - that the reason the blue wave failed to materialise was that Biden wasn't radical enough - was completely misguided. Absolutely of a piece with the idiots claiming Corbyn 'won the argument' at our last GE. I do think the best thing about Biden's victory is that it shows there is still an appetite for a centrist position.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    edited November 2020
    ballysmate said:

    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    No idea what her standing is with the public and not particularly interested to be honest.
    Just think it bizarre that the party could put forward a candidate that they themselves think is less suitable than, by that stage, 4 others.
    Corbyn was voted for by his party and was not 6th choice.

    There is no way of knowing how well she would have done if Biden wasn't also available to vote for. To be fair though, Sanders would probably win if they didn't think he had to win a general election.

    Correct.
    But there is a way of knowing how suitable the party thought she was to take on the top job.
    Not really. It's not like a horse race where if you take out the winner you see who would have won without them there.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    edited November 2020
    swjohnsey said:

    joe2019 said:

    bompington said:


    Money's on Biden :)

    He has to live until December 14th. Pronouncements by the media don't count.
    He's old but he's hardly likely to drop dead tomorrow.

    According to the CDC in 2007 a 75 (edit - it gave figures for 65 and 75 year olds, I know Biden is 77) year old white man had another 11 years of life expectancy, on average. And that's not adjusting for wealth, or improvements in the intervening 13 years.
  • david37
    david37 Posts: 1,313
    bobmcstuff said:

    swjohnsey said:

    joe2019 said:

    bompington said:


    Money's on Biden :)

    He has to live until December 14th. Pronouncements by the media don't count.
    He's old but he's hardly likely to drop dead tomorrow.

    According to the CDC in 2007 a 75 (edit - it gave figures for 65 and 75 year olds, I know Biden is 77) year old white man had another 11 years of life expectancy, on average. And that's not adjusting for wealth, or improvements in the intervening 13 years.
    Except of course life expectancy is tumbling
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Isn't it more he'll get shot?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    edited November 2020
    david37 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    swjohnsey said:

    joe2019 said:

    bompington said:


    Money's on Biden :)

    He has to live until December 14th. Pronouncements by the media don't count.
    He's old but he's hardly likely to drop dead tomorrow.

    According to the CDC in 2007 a 75 (edit - it gave figures for 65 and 75 year olds, I know Biden is 77) year old white man had another 11 years of life expectancy, on average. And that's not adjusting for wealth, or improvements in the intervening 13 years.
    Except of course life expectancy is tumbling
    Source?

    With Covid allowance medium estimate just over a year but 0.68 years for white males. I'm not sure that is really "tumbling". https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.12.20148387v3#:~:text=Our medium estimate indicates a,than any year since 2003.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    david37 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    swjohnsey said:

    joe2019 said:

    bompington said:


    Money's on Biden :)

    He has to live until December 14th. Pronouncements by the media don't count.
    He's old but he's hardly likely to drop dead tomorrow.

    According to the CDC in 2007 a 75 (edit - it gave figures for 65 and 75 year olds, I know Biden is 77) year old white man had another 11 years of life expectancy, on average. And that's not adjusting for wealth, or improvements in the intervening 13 years.
    Except of course life expectancy is tumbling
    Leaving aside COVID - life expectancy is heavily tied to wealth/deprivation and Biden is very much at the upper end of the wealth distribution...
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    First.Aspect said:

    swjohnsey said:

    rjsterry said:

    nickice said:

    I mean who cares if they have a female or black president or both?

    It would be great if nobody did, but clearly the world hasn't reached that point yet.
    I always wondered when Kenya would have a White president.
    What are your views on dolichocephalic-blond people and their suitability for leadership?
    We just call 'em football heads (American football). I don't know any.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    The whole Democrat Primary was a farce. Joe Biden was the chosen one from the get go.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    swjohnsey said:

    The whole Democrat Primary was a farce. Joe Biden was the chosen one from the get go.

    That's not true, but at least they had a primary.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The whole Democrat Primary was a farce. Joe Biden was the chosen one from the get go.

    That's not true, but at least they had a primary.
    Kinda tradition that there is not much/any primary for the incumbent. There wasn't much of a primary for Obama, either.
  • elbowloh
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    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The whole Democrat Primary was a farce. Joe Biden was the chosen one from the get go.

    That's not true, but at least they had a primary.
    Biden was 3rd in many of the early state races for a start.
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  • DeVlaeminck
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    rick_chasey said:

    Isn't it more he'll get shot?

    Good point. It's surreal watching news reports of some of these election count protests with people casually stood around with rifles slung over their shoulders.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    edited November 2020
    Biden seems to have called Johnson, Martin, Macron and Merkel in that order.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,822
    Blimey. 👀

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    rjsterry said:

    Blimey. 👀

    In case anyone else is wondering, apparently he should not accept that the election results are final, because so far it is only the media that has decided the winner.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,822
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Blimey. 👀

    In case anyone else is wondering, apparently he should not accept that the election results are final, because so far it is only the media that has decided the winner.
    The reference to great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly is apparently one of Johnson's lines from his time as mayor.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
    Coulda fooled me.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,400
    swjohnsey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
    Coulda fooled me.
    He is at least 10 times as far behind in four times as many states. He lost the popular vote by at least 3% (rather than less than 0.5%). It is an absurd comparison and you well know it.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    swjohnsey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
    Coulda fooled me.
    It's a bit embarrassing for "your" country.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    First.Aspect said:

    swjohnsey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
    Coulda fooled me.
    He is at least 10 times as far behind in four times as many states. He lost the popular vote by at least 3% (rather than less than 0.5%). It is an absurd comparison and you well know it.
    In other words, Algore refused to concede the election. Well, he actually did concede and then retracted the concession.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,400
    swjohnsey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    swjohnsey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    Remember, Algore conceded after six weeks!

    That was close though. This isn't.
    Coulda fooled me.
    He is at least 10 times as far behind in four times as many states. He lost the popular vote by at least 3% (rather than less than 0.5%). It is an absurd comparison and you well know it.
    In other words, Algore refused to concede the election. Well, he actually did concede and then retracted the concession.
    Yes, but interestingly they cooperated okay while the supreme court decided on a specific issue in one state, relevant to a few hundred votes.

    H. Clinton won/lost by a much narrower margin.

    You are going to tell us that Nixon was an honest guy caught in a sting contrived by Borat, next.

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