TDF 2020 - Stage 20: Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles 36.2 km *Spoilers*

Lanterne_Rogue

Was it ITV that pointed out that today's win basically netted out with the time lost in the wind - eg if we take both out Pogacar took enough bonus seconds etc to take it anyway.

He's basically out Jumboed- Jumbo by nicking the seconds they were so cautiously racing for.

brundonbianchi

roscoe said:

Can’t believe Roglic and JV haven’t won this Tour. They had the strongest team and should have put Roglic in an unassailable position before getting to the TT.

The looks on WVA and big Tom’s faces as they watched the final part of the TT were priceless.

Chapeau Pog!

They had a couple of opportunities to really destroy all the possible competition, but Tom and Sepp had really poor days exactly when they really didn’t want to have. That’s part and parcel of a grand tour though. It’s 3 weeks, not 3 days.

rick_chasey

Pog nails the flat part too and doesn’t stop motoring.

brundonbianchi

Pross said:

m.r.m. said:

Elated for Pogacar. Utterly insane performance this Tour. How do you decimate Ineos and JV basically on your own? Utterly magnificent. I'm truly blown away.

Feel really sorry for Roglic.

If Roglic were French, he'd be set for life.

He didn't exactly decimate JV did he? He held onto their coat tails on all bar one stage and then put in a superb performance on the only one v one stage. Ineos didn't really turn up until their leader went home.

This is a point I made early doors. Pissing about until the TT, then pinning everything on 32Kms was a really poor move. But that’s ( effectively) what J.V. did, on reflection.

Dorset_Boy

GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.

DeadCalm

That was absolutely fantastic. I've never bothered to re-watch the end of a time trial before. Now watching the ITV highlights too.

I seem to recall Rich saying recently that he'd already started to work on his regular Team of the Tour thread. Maybe some revisions will be needed, lol.

DeadCalm

blazing_saddles said:

Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32

M A Lopez 44th.

Thanks for posting this. So, Pogacar won it on the climb* but in doing so, only beat Porte by 22 seconds.

*or rather Roglic lost it.

brundonbianchi

focuszing723 said:

His helmet all off his bonce was a bit odd considering how importantly they take all the aerodynamics.

Unless he did it as a ‘protest’ at being told to not make next year’s sponsors look like monkeys.

rick_chasey

DeadCalm said:

blazing_saddles said:

Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32

M A Lopez 44th.

Thanks for posting this. So, Pogacar won it on the climb* but in doing so, only beat Porte by 22 seconds.

*or rather Roglic lost it.

Porte was slow on the flat.

brundonbianchi

orraloon said:

zest28 said:

brundonbianchi said:

ridgerider said:

My alarm bells started to ring a couple of days ago when the Jumbo Director got kicked off the Tour.
1. If I was a director of the team leading in the last week, I would be trying to maintain calm within the team.
2. Wonder if he was missed today?
3. Wonder what he got wound up about? Perhaps there was a problem with Roglic then...

He got wound up about the scrutineers ripping Roglics bike apart looking for a motor. Incidentally that was Roglics ‘A’ bike. This is why it’s not sitting easy with me.

Indeed, the UCI are being rediculous. Just weigh the bike. If it is 6.8 kg, there is no way in hell there can be a motor in it, rather than destroying someone his A bike.

Heard it reported on one podcast that the UCI person had set about the bike himself in a rather rough and clumsy manner. Surely he could have simply asked a JV mechanic to open it up while he watched on?

Yep, could have done, didn’t. That’s a bit off. “Yeah go in and smash up the yellow’s bike”.

DeadCalm

rick_chasey said:

DeadCalm said:

blazing_saddles said:

Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32

M A Lopez 44th.

Thanks for posting this. So, Pogacar won it on the climb* but in doing so, only beat Porte by 22 seconds.

*or rather Roglic lost it.

Porte was slow on the flat.

Fair point.

neonriver

Dorset_Boy said:

GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.

Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckxs hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikes

rick_chasey

So up till the bike change, Pog was almost exactly as fast as Dumoulin.

DeadCalm

Super happy Porte took a podium spot. Team leader at Ineos for next year's TDF? LOLZ

zest28

roscoe said:

Can’t believe Roglic and JV haven’t won this Tour. They had the strongest team and should have put Roglic in an unassailable position before getting to the TT.

The looks on WVA and big Tom’s faces as they watched the final part of the TT were priceless.

Chapeau Pog!

Teams are overrated. WvA couldn’t do anything against Pogacar (it did work on Bernal however). Roglic couldn’t beat Pogacar for stage victories. And Dumoulin could not drop Pogacar when he went into TT mode.

So Pogacar will just hang onto the wheel of Roglic and then beat him in the TT (as Pogacar is the reigning Slovenian TT champion, beating Roglic). There is nothing JV could do against it.

rick_chasey

God I forgot that he won polka too. And white.

zest28

Haha yes. Pogacar took all jersey’s except the green one.

tailwindhome

Last time I witnessed anything like that was Nick Faldo beating Greg Norman for the US Masters.

Extraordinary human drama

rick_chasey

Even Rog rode Tom’s ride he’d still have lost, no?

focuszing723

tailwindhome said:

Last time I witnessed anything like that was Nick Faldo beating Greg Norman for the US Masters.

Extraordinary human drama

Ha yeah, I thought about that too. Devastated Norman.

Dorset_Boy

rick_chasey said:

Even Rog rode Tom’s ride he’d still have lost, no?

Correct. Had 57 sec lead at start, and Pog finished 1 min 21 ahead of dumplin.

thegreatdivide

neonriver said:

Dorset_Boy said:

GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.

Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckx hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikes

Merckx won the ‘72 Tour on a Colnago Super Molteni. GCN even did a feature on it!

https://youtu.be/ezSRzhZKUXU

Pross

Lanterne_Rogue said:

Was it ITV that pointed out that today's win basically netted out with the time lost in the wind - eg if we take both out Pogacar took enough bonus seconds etc to take it anyway.

He's basically out Jumboed- Jumbo by nicking the seconds they were so cautiously racing for.

He gained most of it in the attack the day after the crosswinds. From memory he regained about half of his losses on that day. Other than Lopez (when he had no chance of the overall) and Yates who was never really after the overall it was the only meaningful attack on Roglic I can remember.

DeadCalm

"Was that a childhood dream?"

He's still a bleeding child!

ddraver

rick_chasey said:

Even Rog rode Tom’s ride he’d still have lost, no?

Them all being so close is why I think they must have..."modelled"..? It wrong

Yay for Titchy Ritchie too. Our old friend Richmond Racer will be raising a glass tonight!

focuszing723

LeMond’s radical ‘aero bar’, designed by Boone Lennon, a former US national ski team coach who understood aerodynamics perhaps better than anybody in cycling at that time, was unveiled before the stage five time trial — 73km from Dinard to Rennes.

Before the final time trial Fignon’s directeur sportif, the wily Cyrille Guimard, had complained to the referee about LeMond’s bars, to no avail. Now LeMond was ripping up and down the Champs-Elysées, arms stretched out in front like a downhill skier, eating into Fignon’s margin.

Those unforgettable scenes on the Champs-Elysées in 1989 heralded the beginning of cycling’s aero revolution. Although today’s super-slippery time trial bikes look nothing like LeMond’s red steel Bottecchia with its U-shaped bar, that was where it started.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/icons-of-cycling-how-greg-lemonds-aero-bars-revolutionised-time-trialling-181429

Pogacar just had the benefits of Pogacar.

pblakeney

thegreatdivide said:

neonriver said:

Dorset_Boy said:

GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.

Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckx hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikes

Merckx won the ‘72 Tour on a Colnago Super Molteni. GCN even did a feature on it!

https://youtu.be/ezSRzhZKUXU

Lots of stories of rebranded Colnagos used in the past, as shown above.
None as straightforward Colnagos.

RichN95.

neonriver said:

Dorset_Boy said:

GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.

Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckxs hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikes

Merckx rode his own branded bikes at Molteni. The team would have ridden Colnago I assume.

RichN95.

focuszing723 said:

LeMond’s radical ‘aero bar’, designed by Boone Lennon, a former US national ski team coach who understood aerodynamics perhaps better than anybody in cycling at that time, was unveiled before the stage five time trial — 73km from Dinard to Rennes.

Roglic also had the use of something created by a former US National ski coach - Sepp Kuss

pblakeney

zest28 said:

roscoe said:

Can’t believe Roglic and JV haven’t won this Tour. They had the strongest team and should have put Roglic in an unassailable position before getting to the TT.

The looks on WVA and big Tom’s faces as they watched the final part of the TT were priceless.

Chapeau Pog!

Teams are overrated. WvA couldn’t do anything against Pogacar (it did work on Bernal however). Roglic couldn’t beat Pogacar for stage victories. And Dumoulin could not drop Pogacar when he went into TT mode.

So Pogacar will just hang onto the wheel of Roglic and then beat him in the TT (as Pogacar is the reigning Slovenian TT champion, beating Roglic). There is nothing JV could do against it.

Here is a quote from another thread that I made a few months ago.
That was when Ineos were assumed to be the strong team, but the tactic was sound then and it proved to be sound today.
Shame it was poo-poo'd at the time. 😉

pblakeney said:

I've always thought that a strong rider in a weak team need only sit on the back of the Ineos train.
The "strong" has to come before the "only" though. 😉