TDF 2020 - Stage 20: Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles 36.2 km *Spoilers*
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Taking it well .... Not sure I would even as a team mate .Pross said:Expert analysis by Roglic "I just didn't push enough"
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
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That’s all anyone needs to know really.Pross said:Expert analysis by Roglic "I just didn't push enough"
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Valverde was turning pro when he was born ...nearlybobmcstuff said:What's the record for biggest age gap on the podium?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Correction. All the drivers of all the rolls royces.brundonbianchi said:
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
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Seems to suggest he could have pushed harder but then again he's being interviewed in a second language in the face of a massive disappointment.brundonbianchi said:
That’s all anyone needs to know really.Pross said:Expert analysis by Roglic "I just didn't push enough"
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Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.1
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Who'd have thought after stage 16 that the Ineos party in Paris was going to be a lot more fun than the Jumbo-Visma one?Warning No formatter is installed for the format2
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Can't believe I missed the crosswinds stage...tailwindhome said:Won the stage by the same time he lost on the crosswinds stage..... Per ITV anyway.
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I'm sure there will be a fair few people ripping through the numbers, especially off the back of that killer stage a couple of days ago.hillrunner said:Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.
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Somebody earlier in the week said TT are boring...
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Don't let pogacar arrive at a decisive point of the race relatively fresh ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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I have said several times on here that I thought Pogacar looked like the strongest rider "mano a mano", but Roglic had a way stronger team.hillrunner said:Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.
I think this is why TTs are essential in a grand tour IMO. For balance.4 -
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Also timing has made it what it was. Day one prologue wouldn't have done this.bobmcstuff said:
I have said several times on here that I thought Pogacar looked like the strongest rider "mano a mano", but Roglic had a way stronger team.hillrunner said:Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.
I think this is why TTs are essential in a grand tour IMO. For balance.0 -
You have to agree with him too. It was other worldly from Pog, J.V. really dropped the ball as well, which may have flattered to deceive somewhat, but that in no way detracts from Pog’s performance.rick_chasey said:0 -
Is he not American?blazing_saddles said:
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:
It's always difficult to trust these numbers. If they were real, then one should legitimately ask questions... but they are probably just calculated on estimates... if it was 6.6 W/kg for 30 minutes then it would be legitleft the forum March 20230 -
I think he was saying that he didn’t think he needed to get his balls out, until it was too late. I’d love to see his power figures when the team told him to get moving.Pross said:
Seems to suggest he could have pushed harder but then again he's being interviewed in a second language in the face of a massive disappointment.brundonbianchi said:
That’s all anyone needs to know really.Pross said:Expert analysis by Roglic "I just didn't push enough"
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He's referring to Rick's comment.ugo.santalucia said:
Is he not American?blazing_saddles said:
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:
It's always difficult to trust these numbers. If they were real, then one should legitimately ask questions... but they are probably just calculated on estimates... if it was 6.6 W/kg for 30 minutes then it would be legit0 -
I think he's referring to Rick not Tomugo.santalucia said:
Is he not American?blazing_saddles said:
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:
It's always difficult to trust these numbers. If they were real, then one should legitimately ask questions... but they are probably just calculated on estimates... if it was 6.6 W/kg for 30 minutes then it would be legit
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If Pog was on crack, I’ll be very very surprised, and hugely disappointed.blazing_saddles said:
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:0 -
Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32
M A Lopez 44th."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Difficult year for doping controlsbrundonbianchi said:
If Pog was on crack, I’ll be very very surprised, and hugely disappointed.blazing_saddles said:
Posted by a disgruntled Dutch bloke, who is desperate for someone to come out with the "D" word, because he's dying to, but can't, without looking hypocritical.joe2019 said:
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As a goalpost, Kämna posted his power data on strava for the TT. He finished in one hour 8 secs and did 367w average 370w NP and is probably a kg or two less than Pog who took about 7% less time. Who knows about the bikes or aero.bobmcstuff said:
I have said several times on here that I thought Pogacar looked like the strongest rider "mano a mano", but Roglic had a way stronger team.hillrunner said:Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.
I think this is why TTs are essential in a grand tour IMO. For balance.0 -
blazing_saddles said:
Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32
M A Lopez 44th.
Disappointing from Carapaz given he cruised to the start0 -
He wasn't really climbing with the best , so not a surprise , sorry he didn't keep the polkas though , good time by Porte. Third week TT’s !0
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If it was up to me I would probably have 2 TTs, maybe with a very short prologue TT too...shirley_basso said:
Also timing has made it what it was. Day one prologue wouldn't have done this.bobmcstuff said:
I have said several times on here that I thought Pogacar looked like the strongest rider "mano a mano", but Roglic had a way stronger team.hillrunner said:Roglic didn’t have a bad day finishing 5th. Pogacar just had a ridiculous day and proved he has a stronger engine than everyone else in the race. Almost unbelievable to crush Dom by that much in a time trial. You saw a glimpse of that when he put out over 6.8 w/kg for -30 mins on one of the earlier climbs in the race and ripped apart the gc field.
I think this is why TTs are essential in a grand tour IMO. For balance.
Prologue TT just to seed the riders and give you a little hint or window into form. Not long enough to really affect the race.
Then one flat TT, but not too long. And one mountain TT like today (but probably a shorter flat section than what we had today).
I'd also have at least 2 big MTFs. And at least 2 really long stages. And I'd have a short mountainous day after the second rest day, that usually seems to put the cat amongst the pigeons.
How do I apply for Prudhomme's job?
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Elated for Pogacar. Utterly insane performance this Tour. How do you decimate Ineos and JV basically on your own? Utterly magnificent. I'm truly blown away.
Feel really sorry for Roglic.
If Roglic were French, he'd be set for life.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
