TDF 2020 - Stage 20: Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles 36.2 km *Spoilers*
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This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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No_Ta_Doctor said:
Who'd have thought after stage 16 that the Ineos party in Paris was going to be a lot more fun than the Jumbo-Visma one?
that suggests roglic wasn't going well and pogacar was.blazing_saddles said:Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32
M A Lopez 44th."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
It's weird this thing that you do...brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I don’t like it, I don’t agree, but it’s inevitable.ddraver said:
It's weird this thing that you do...brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
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It suggests that Roglic didn’t put enough of a hole into Pog, before this stage. It shows that J.V’s tactics weren’t quite right.mididoctors said:No_Ta_Doctor said:Who'd have thought after stage 16 that the Ineos party in Paris was going to be a lot more fun than the Jumbo-Visma one?
that suggests roglic wasn't going well and pogacar was.blazing_saddles said:Times for the climb.
1) T Pogacar 16:10
2) R Porte 16:32
3) W Van Aert 16:52
4) E Mas 17:00
5) P Bilbao 17:15
6) D Martinez 17:19
7) R Carapaz 17:22
8) M Landa 17:23
9) M Soler 17:24
10) W Barguil 17:27
11) P Roglic 17:30
12) T Dumoulin 17:32
M A Lopez 44th.
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I tend to agree with the Twatter poster. It’s not good form to let the tadpole fuck the frog.ddraver said:0 -
His Colnago Super wasn’t ‘rebranded’. Colnago just produced a specific colour scheme and design for the team. The bikes say Colnago Super along the non drive side chain stay and they’re covered in Colnago clovers, especially top of the forks.pblakeney said:
Lots of stories of rebranded Colnagos used in the past, as shown above.thegreatdivide said:
Merckx won the ‘72 Tour on a Colnago Super Molteni. GCN even did a feature on it!neonriver said:
Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckx hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikesDorset_Boy said:GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.
https://youtu.be/ezSRzhZKUXU
None as straightforward Colnagos.
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did Jumbo lose it on the peyresourde climb and distancing there own number 2 card dom dom when alaphillipe blew the lead group up?
a lot of questionable strategic decisions made that day?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Actually as much I like Bianchi and do own two. They are the Italian equivalent of Raleigh.brundonbianchi said:
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
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Harsh!webboo said:
Actually as much I like Bianchi and do own two. They are the Italian equivalent of Raleigh.brundonbianchi said:
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
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Your mind seems to work in mysterious ways.brundonbianchi said:
I don’t like it, I don’t agree, but it’s inevitable.ddraver said:
It's weird this thing that you do...brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
Why specifically will it be written off?
Racing the full Tour route in September, but with July weather, looked exactly the same as racing the route in July, to me."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.2 -
Fiat, according to me mate Luca...webboo said:
Actually as much I like Bianchi and do own two. They are the Italian equivalent of Raleigh.brundonbianchi said:
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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As mentioned earlier, we shouldn't be too surprised that Roglic rode a sub par trial.
He has history for it:
Tour 2017, stage 20: 14th, lost time to Froome, Contador and Uran among others.
Tour 2018, stage 20: 8th, lost more than a minute to Dumoulin and Froome.
Giro 2019, stage 21: 10th, lost time to Nibali among others.
Tour 2020, stage 20: 5th, lost almost 2 minutes to Pogacar
So, this was actually his highest finish."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
I think a fair few thought that would be the case, it was in the back of my mind. No! Podacar won in an exceptional way in an exceptional year. One which favours the young.brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
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Other riders used them too, they were just more discreet.thegreatdivide said:
His Colnago Super wasn’t ‘rebranded’. Colnago just produced a specific colour scheme and design for the team. The bikes say Colnago Super along the non drive side chain stay and they’re covered in Colnago clovers, especially top of the forks.pblakeney said:
Lots of stories of rebranded Colnagos used in the past, as shown above.thegreatdivide said:
Merckx won the ‘72 Tour on a Colnago Super Molteni. GCN even did a feature on it!neonriver said:
Would be a bit surprised I know Colnago built Merckx hour record bike so had thought he rode their bikesDorset_Boy said:GCN suggesting that this is Colnago's first ever TdF overall victory, which seems surprising given how long they've been around.
https://youtu.be/ezSRzhZKUXU
None as straightforward Colnagos.
Most people look at Merckx's bike and think it is a Merckx bike.
Incidentally, I am reminded of an interview with Ernesto in which he said (paraphrased) I am not interested in building the stiffest, or fastest bikes. I make bikes which leaves the riders with fresh legs to win the race."
Quite apt. 😉
But before anyone jumps on this, I do not think it is all about the bike.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It was brilliant in that regard. I just hope he did it clean, and that it isn’t brushed into the weeds, if it was fair.focuszing723 said:
I think a fair few thought that would be the case, it was in the back of my mind. No! Podacar won in an exceptional way in an exceptional year. One which favours the young.brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
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Quite.ddraver said:
Fiat, according to me mate Luca...webboo said:
Actually as much I like Bianchi and do own two. They are the Italian equivalent of Raleigh.brundonbianchi said:
There’s nothing wrong with the bikes. They are pretty much the Rolls Royce of the bike world. If the driver has a bad day, even the Rolls Royce can be beaten by a pile of junk.kingstongraham said:Failed on two different bianchi bikes today.
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I've hesitated to post it becasue it is so obviously Captain Hindsight, but he has form for being a bit fragile too. I know ultimatly he shouldnt need to, but you cant' imagine a young Froome or....Pogacar even allowing the idea of stopping for a pee to enter their DS's heads...blazing_saddles said:As mentioned earlier, we shouldn't be too surprised that Roglic rode a sub par trial.
He has history for it:
Tour 2017, stage 20: 14th, lost time to Froome, Contador and Uran among others.
Tour 2018, stage 20: 8th, lost more than a minute to Dumoulin and Froome.
Giro 2019, stage 21: 10th, lost time to Nibali among others.
Tour 2020, stage 20: 5th, lost almost 2 minutes to Pogacar
So, this was actually his highest finish.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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but he was looking stronger on the road. we all knew he faded in the third but this tour seemed to be an exception as he was looking uber in the alps. it wass like..oh he is not going fade this year... but he did.ddraver said:
I've hesitated to post it becasue it is so obviously Captain Hindsight, but he has form for being a bit fragile too. I know ultimatly he shouldnt need to, but you cant' imagine a young Froome or....Pogacar even allowing the idea of stopping for a pee to enter their DS's heads...blazing_saddles said:As mentioned earlier, we shouldn't be too surprised that Roglic rode a sub par trial.
He has history for it:
Tour 2017, stage 20: 14th, lost time to Froome, Contador and Uran among others.
Tour 2018, stage 20: 8th, lost more than a minute to Dumoulin and Froome.
Giro 2019, stage 21: 10th, lost time to Nibali among others.
Tour 2020, stage 20: 5th, lost almost 2 minutes to Pogacar
So, this was actually his highest finish.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That's what's made it so...intense...eh? At no point did he or his team look anything other than in complete control (boring etc...)mididoctors said:
but he was looking stronger on the road. we all knew he faded in the third but this tour seemed to be an exception as he was looking uber in the alps. it wass like..oh he is not going fade this year... but he did.ddraver said:
I've hesitated to post it becasue it is so obviously Captain Hindsight, but he has form for being a bit fragile too. I know ultimatly he shouldnt need to, but you cant' imagine a young Froome or....Pogacar even allowing the idea of stopping for a pee to enter their DS's heads...blazing_saddles said:As mentioned earlier, we shouldn't be too surprised that Roglic rode a sub par trial.
He has history for it:
Tour 2017, stage 20: 14th, lost time to Froome, Contador and Uran among others.
Tour 2018, stage 20: 8th, lost more than a minute to Dumoulin and Froome.
Giro 2019, stage 21: 10th, lost time to Nibali among others.
Tour 2020, stage 20: 5th, lost almost 2 minutes to Pogacar
So, this was actually his highest finish.
But I can imagine that the, "all you've got to do is bring it home and you've won the tour Primoz" conversation this morning, might have severely freaked him outWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Well, I think you always have to take the results with a pinch of salt anyway. It would be naïve to think any differently given the history.brundonbianchi said:
It was brilliant in that regard. I just hope he did it clean, and that it isn’t brushed into the weeds, if it was fair.focuszing723 said:
I think a fair few thought that would be the case, it was in the back of my mind. No! Podacar won in an exceptional way in an exceptional year. One which favours the young.brundonbianchi said:This edition of the TdF will be written off anyway. Covid wins.
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JV as a team were not comparable to sky.
What was Dumoulin doing? Froome was never off the front of Wiggins (except once) and I never saw riders pratting about. When froome was captain everyone was 100% committed to delivering him to the win.
WvA was competing for sprints whereas kwait - delivering froome so perfectly he came to a standstill and parked up. Not a watt of wasted energy.
They had the strongest riders but didn't ride well as a team.
Why were they riding slowly enough to give pogacar the chance to attack and steal bonus seconds?
It just doesn't feel like they destroyed the competition or properly give the competition no chance to attack.
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How else was he supposed to ride when having next to no one to close gaps for him? Compare the UAE riders towards the end of stages around Roglic and Pogacar compared to JV riders.Pross said:
He didn't exactly decimate JV did he? He held onto their coat tails on all bar one stage and then put in a superb performance on the only one v one stage. Ineos didn't really turn up until their leader went home.m.r.m. said:Elated for Pogacar. Utterly insane performance this Tour. How do you decimate Ineos and JV basically on your own? Utterly magnificent. I'm truly blown away.
Feel really sorry for Roglic.
If Roglic were French, he'd be set for life.
Froome's attacks to drop his rivals is built off the strength of the team to bridge gaps on other stages (mostly Poels and Porte) or to ride their notorious mountain train tempo. If you do that entirely on your own you get countered after WVA, Bennett, Dumoulin or Kuss have neutralized the attack.
Pogacar won 3 stages and the GC this Tour with practically no team support (outside of de la Cruz). Wouldn't you say it was a masterpiece of building on his strengths with the cards he was dealt. I really don't think we can overstate the achievement in terms of winning with that team. Compare his team to Bernal's last year.
I think the hyperbole (decimate) is justified under the circumstances. Doesn't he have as many stage wins as JV as team this Tour (3 for Pogacar - 1 for Roglic, 2 for WVA)?PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
I think the strongest rider by far just won the race. If they could have gotten rid of Pogacar, they would have. They tried on Col de la Loze.shirley_basso said:JV as a team were not comparable to sky.
What was Dumoulin doing? Froome was never off the front of Wiggins (except once) and I never saw riders pratting about. When froome was captain everyone was 100% committed to delivering him to the win.
WvA was competing for sprints whereas kwait - delivering froome so perfectly he came to a standstill and parked up. Not a watt of wasted energy.
They had the strongest riders but didn't ride well as a team.
Why were they riding slowly enough to give pogacar the chance to attack and steal bonus seconds?
It just doesn't feel like they destroyed the competition or properly give the competition no chance to attack.
Obviously this is all in hindsight. maybe pogacar just was stronger than roglicPTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
I agree it was the strongest team but did it feel to you like they were united on the one sole aim of winning GC?
Also - one memorable effort to shift your competition?0 -
That's what staggered me. 1 second behind, I think he was. That's ridiculous.rick_chasey said:So up till the bike change, Pog was almost exactly as fast as Dumoulin.
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JV missed a few chances to use their numbers well ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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The peyresourde stage JV messed up"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
