Ineos Grenadiers

focuszing723

ddraver said:

Meanwhile, in the Pidcock household...

https://twitter.com/reardupeloton/status/1693954746640441542?s=20

I bet they all dream of doing that when they're slowly roasting over a GT.

daniel_b

A random bloke on a random facebook page states he has heard that Dave Brailsford is back taking charge of the cycling team.

This, he claims, signifies the recent change in direction for signings etc.

I've asked for a link, but suspect nothing exists.

I don't personally think it carries much weight, but I'm sat in my tent in France, doing a spot of reading, whilst waiting for the neighbours to quieten down, so thought I may as well post it for general amusement.

RichN95.

daniel_b said:

A random bloke on a random facebook page states he has heard that Dave Brailsford is back taking charge of the cycling team.

This, he claims, signifies the recent change in direction for signings etc.

I've asked for a link, but suspect nothing exists.

I

It was in Gazzetta
https://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/19-08-2023/ineos-grenadiers-rodriguez-resta-e-brailsford-tornera-ad-essere-piu-operativo-nel-team.shtml

roscoe

Interesting discussion on the Radio Cycling podcast.

They were saying there are strong rumours going around that Ineos and QS will actually merge, it won't be a takeover. It was quite an interesting take and made a lot of sense. Is this why they've only got 15 contracted for next year.

Interview with Rod Ellingworth as well. He was saying they are building and are excited for the future with Pidcock, Sheffield and Plapp.

pblakeney

roscoe said:

Interesting discussion on the Radio Cycling podcast.

They were saying there are strong rumours going around that Ineos and QS will actually merge, it won't be a takeover. It was quite an interesting take and made a lot of sense. Is this why they've only got 15 contracted for next year.

Interview with Rod Ellingworth as well. He was saying they are building and are excited for the future with Pidcock, Sheffield and Plapp.

Sorry to all Plapp family members but I just can't stop myself laughing every time I read that name. I know, childish.

roscoe

Transfers and contracts agreed by a committee? Who thought that was a good idea?

Pross

I assumed the process would be something like:

Team has x riders coming to the end of their contract. A couple are retiring, of the others the DS decides which he wants to renew and which he is happy to move on. The team manager / principal or whatever their title is starts discussing numbers with those that want to renew and is then able to confirm a budget for new riders. DS says what riders / type of riders they want and the manager starts discussion with agents before confirming which of his preferred riders are in budget and where he’ll need to look at alternatives.

Basically one person looking at the sporting aspects and another at the commercial side until the balance is right. Really struggling to see what a committee would offer to improve it.

roscoe

Pross said:

I assumed the process would be something like:

Team has x riders coming to the end of their contract. A couple are retiring, of the others the DS decides which he wants to renew and which he is happy to move on. The team manager / principal or whatever their title is starts discussing numbers with those that want to renew and is then able to confirm a budget for new riders. DS says what riders / type of riders they want and the manager starts discussion with agents before confirming which of his preferred riders are in budget and where he’ll need to look at alternatives.

Basically one person looking at the sporting aspects and another at the commercial side until the balance is right. Really struggling to see what a committee would offer to improve it.

That's what I would have thought. For a team that was so forward thinking and ahead of the curve, they seem to have gone backwards. This probably explains why they've missed out on some of the riders that have come to the fore in the last few years.

RichN95.

roscoe said:

They were saying there are strong rumours going around that Ineos and QS will actually merge, it won't be a takeover.

Technically, there's no such thing as a merger. One party always takes over the other from a legal/business perspective

orraloon

RichN95. said:

roscoe said:

They were saying there are strong rumours going around that Ineos and QS will actually merge, it won't be a takeover.

Technically, there's no such thing as a merger. One party always takes over the other from a legal/business perspective

Correctamundo. Been in 2 FTSE PLCs when mergers happened. The 'winner' calls the shots.

pblakeney

orraloon said:

RichN95. said:

roscoe said:

They were saying there are strong rumours going around that Ineos and QS will actually merge, it won't be a takeover.

Technically, there's no such thing as a merger. One party always takes over the other from a legal/business perspective

Correctamundo. Been in 2 FTSE PLCs when mergers happened. The 'bigger' calls the shots.

FTFY. 😉

takethehighroad

Had a left field thought during my morning ablutions that Tom P could be a new version of Bauke Mollema

Good enough to ride high on GC but it would be a waste if he didn't use his talents to win multiple stages by losing time deliberately

phreak

takethehighroad said:

Had a left field thought during my morning ablutions that Tom P could be a new version of Bauke Mollema

Good enough to ride high on GC but it would be a waste if he didn't use his talents to win multiple stages by losing time deliberately

Pinaut seems to have adopted this approach successfully lately.

ocdupalais

phreak said:

takethehighroad said:

Had a left field thought during my morning ablutions that Tom P could be a new version of Bauke Mollema

Good enough to ride high on GC but it would be a waste if he didn't use his talents to win multiple stages by losing time deliberately

Pinaut seems to have adopted this approach successfully lately.

No - that would be “Good enough to ride high on GC but wasted his talents and multiple stages by losing them deliberately”.

flite

BBC R4 have just (c.8.30 BST) had a surprisingly long interview with Rod Ellingworth.
For once the presenter asked sensible questions.

daniel_b

flite said:

BBC R4 have just (c.8.30 BST) had a surprisingly long interview with Rod Ellingworth.
For once the presenter asked sensible questions.

Anything indepth and about the teams direction/potential signings (Why some big names have gone), or just a high level Vuelta chat?

RichN95.

2010s cycling media: Sky are destroying cycling. Salary cap. Anyone would win there. Froome isn’t a champion. I am so suspicious.

2020s cycling media: Ineos, why are you so rubbish. Jumbo are amazing. They win everything, This. Is Epic. We love Kuss, never a bad day. It’s the new generation. Sure they had a positive but Freeman.

m.r.m.

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

blazing_saddles

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

gsk82

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

Dorset_Boy

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

Do you not recall urine regularly being thrown at Frome and Sky riders, and the team car regularly getting a pounding ?

roscoe

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

Is it because they are a British team and Europeans perhaps do not really like Britain?

We do have or had a very high opinion of ourselves as a nation.

TheBigBean

RichN95. said:

2010s cycling media: Sky are destroying cycling. Salary cap. Anyone would win there. Froome isn’t a champion. I am so suspicious.

2020s cycling media: Ineos, why are you so rubbish. Jumbo are amazing. They win everything, This. Is Epic. We love Kuss, never a bad day. It’s the new generation. Sure they had a positive but Freeman.

People say the same things about Jumbo.

kingstongraham

I remember David Walsh and Richard Moore writing not critical books, and I remember Vingegaard getting booed this year.

stage_hunter

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

roscoe

stage_hunter said:

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

What accelerating problems?

No_Ta_Doctor

roscoe said:

stage_hunter said:

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

What accelerating problems?

All their GT GC contenders have difficulties accelerating uphill

roscoe

No_Ta_Doctor said:

roscoe said:

stage_hunter said:

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

What accelerating problems?

All their GT GC contenders have difficulties accelerating uphill

🤣 chapeau

stage_hunter

roscoe said:

stage_hunter said:

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

What accelerating problems?

Going backwards on GTs and a lack of talent coming through suggesting talent ID issues. Especially missing out on GB talent- See FDJ & increasingly JV.

andyp

stage_hunter said:

roscoe said:

stage_hunter said:

gsk82 said:

blazing_saddles said:

m.r.m. said:

So why are they being covered/treated differently?

Sky came from an upstart, English speaking nation, not a traditional cycling country. Those that do and therefore have a long established history of doping, get a free pass not to have their performances questioned, because the don't try to hide what they get up to. So, such teams can safely be lauded, not ridiculed.

That is the logic applied from behind many a keyboard.

Wasn't it just British press hounding a British success story?

I think it was both.

There are some more established British cycling journalists who were peeved that their niche sport got popular, and dont like success as they dont know how to report on it. And then there is Dan Roan who has little judgement as to what is a story and what is not.

They are still questioning Sky in the 10’s rather than the accelerating problems in 2023 Ineos.

What accelerating problems?

Going backwards on GTs and a lack of talent coming through suggesting talent ID issues. Especially missing out on GB talent- See FDJ & increasingly JV.

I'm not sure that 'lack of talent' and 'GB talent' stands up to scrutiny. They've got Pidcock, Ethan Hayter, Ben Turner, Leo Hayter and Josh Tarling in their ranks. Of those, only Leo hasn't won a race this season and he's been ill.