Ineos Grenadiers

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,128
    gsk82 said:

    Why would ineos merge with movistar? What do they have to gain?

    Reduced costs presumably
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 471
    Pross said:

    gsk82 said:

    Why would ineos merge with movistar? What do they have to gain?

    Reduced costs presumably
    Really can’t see the motive unless it’s to up their profile in Spanish speaking regions.
  • Do Spaniards like expensive ugly farm vehicles?
  • pblakeney
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  • What's the Movistar ownership structure?
    Could this be some kind of exit strategy for Unzué, or is he taking the trident strategy to the next level with him, Dave and Patrick grappling for glory?
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  • Do Spaniards like expensive ugly farm vehicles?

    Kind of. The Santana 'Land Rovers' bare more than a passing resemblance to the Grenadier.
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  • Was quite sad to hear Luke and Geraint bemoaning the complete lack of drinking culture amongst the recent Ineos recruits during the latest Watts Retiring podcast.

    Sounded like 2 old buffties who've not moved with the times. At least Luke managed to round up some non cycling mates to noise up some bouncers go and get smashed with. Legend.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,407
    (I still think they're both retiring this year...)
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,177
    ddraver said:

    (I still think they're both retiring this year...)

    Thomas said on the Cycling Podcast that he was already thinking about what his racing schedule will look like next year.
  • andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    (I still think they're both retiring this year...)

    Thomas said on the Cycling Podcast that he was already thinking about what his schedule will look like next year.
    Yeah, Lionel could do with some help during the tour whilst Daniel's working on ITV.
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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,536
    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    (I still think they're both retiring this year...)

    Thomas said on the Cycling Podcast that he was already thinking about what his racing schedule will look like next year.
    Empty?
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,627
    edited September 2023
    Crikey, yet more departures - they have a ton of new contracts to sort out in the next few months eh.

    Their HR department must be loving this :D
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  • daniel_b said:

    Crikey, yet more departures - they have a ton of new contracts to sort out in the next few months eh.

    Their HR department must be loving this :D

    Alternatively, they're all sorted but they just haven't announced it yet?

    Just playing Devil's Advocate
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,177

    daniel_b said:

    Crikey, yet more departures - they have a ton of new contracts to sort out in the next few months eh.

    Their HR department must be loving this :D

    Alternatively, they're all sorted but they just haven't announced it yet?

    Just playing Devil's Advocate
    I don't think that's controversial at all. It's how they've operated for the past few seasons, they only announce new signings and don't make a big deal of contract extensions.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,627

    daniel_b said:

    Crikey, yet more departures - they have a ton of new contracts to sort out in the next few months eh.

    Their HR department must be loving this :D

    Alternatively, they're all sorted but they just haven't announced it yet?

    Just playing Devil's Advocate
    Hopefully, just feels/seems a bit out of the ordinary this time around.
    I want to be wrong.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,128
    I think the big difference is the number confirmed as leaving with, it seems, far fewer confirmed as joining.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,638
    Someone on X did the maths and it seems they only actually have one spot to fill
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,481
    edited September 2023
    Pross said:

    I think the big difference is the number confirmed as leaving with, it seems, far fewer confirmed as joining.

    Plus riders who've agreed to join been let down late in the day.

    Radcliffe junior was apparently working for the team but has now moved on
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,187
    edited September 2023

    Someone on X did the maths and it seems they only actually have one spot to fill


    I saw that. It was based on everyone whose contract was up for renewal and hasn't announced a move re-signing. I'm not sure they all will - Cameron Wurf is 40. And it was based on August, Foss and Oscar Rodriguez joining.

    Right now every big team is doing lapdances for Albert Philipsen
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,137
    edited September 2023
    Philipsen wants to continue to mix 3 disciplines, like MvdP, Pidcock - so really there are only two teams who seem fully committed to this; Alpecin, and Ineos.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 471
    The silence from Ineos is deafening. No signings or renewals yet.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,627
    It's exceedingly odd isn't it - it was all meant to happen post Vuelta no?

    When is the deadline for transfers - coming up very fast isn't it?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,177
    There’s no deadline as such.
  • mooro
    mooro Posts: 482
    GT mentioned in his podcast that he still has to sort out contracts etc before deciding his race calendar. if its anything like how Ratcliffe sorts out recruitment at Nice FC it will be pretty tight incentivised on performance etc.

    They seem a bit directionless at present but maybe they were waiting to see what happened with Soudal etc.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 471
    daniel_b said:

    It's exceedingly odd isn't it - it was all meant to happen post Vuelta no?

    When is the deadline for transfers - coming up very fast isn't it?

    Yes, really strange. They were supposed to be announcing Rodriguez signing a new contract weeks ago. Silence.

    I know there's a lot of riders not signed for any team next year, but how long are they going to wait?

    I'm sure I also read somewhere they were making a big announcement at the beginning of October, that's not happened either.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,627
    edited October 2023
    andyp said:

    There’s no deadline as such.

    ah fair enough, I misunderstood, I noted the August opening date for transfers, and assumed there was a closing one - clearly not.

    Maybe they will bring EBH back into the fold :)

    I definitely think they missed a trick with Cav, and his sprint train, although perhaps he would have turned them down anyway - he seems very happy and settled at Astana.

    That is not something I ever thought I would type.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,177
    I don’t think Ineos ever make much of a song and dance about contract extensions, so a lack of announcements shouldn’t be read as a lack of extensions.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 471
    andyp said:

    I don’t think Ineos ever make much of a song and dance about contract extensions, so a lack of announcements shouldn’t be read as a lack of extensions.

    Agree they don't make a song and dance, but they do usually announce them. Rod Ellingworth even said a month ago they would be making things clear in a few weeks.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,407
    ou est Alaphillipe..?
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