Ineos Grenadiers
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Richie Porte smiles in ironic as he remembers a Dauphinér0bh said:One thing with Ineos, they are always incredibly gracious when riders move on
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So there's a lot of talk about riders leaving Ineos at what this means. Rather than clog up the transfers thread I am going to outline my entire theory based on sensible logic rather than any rumours.
Bakala (owner of QS) would like to sell. Lefevere (68) has an eye on retirement. Without him there is no Quick Step.
Ineos make an offer to buy them out. Ineos became Ineos by buying up and merging companies. Bakala and Lefevere know they wont get a better offer. Also their star rider wants to target the Tour GC, something that has never interested Lefevere.
In the interim Evenepoel says neutral things like 'a contract is a contract' so Lefevere can't blame him for breaking yup a cycling institution.
Ineos take on the riders they want. Meanwhile the QS World Tour licence is traded to Q36.5, an ambitious team owned by Ivan Glasenberg, who is also the owner of Pinarello. They also take the excess QS riders (wages paid by Ineos) and the Pinarello sponsorship. Team Pinarello is born. Maybe Ganna goes to become the face of Pinarello.
Specialised move to Ineos.
Lefevere becomes a pundit on Belgian TV, criticising Ineos for mishandling Evenepoel
As a bonus, perhaps the AG-Soudal women's team, run by Natasha Knaven, wife of ex-Ineos DS Servais, becomes Ineos Women.
Who loses out in this scenario? Maybe some QS backroom staff. But everyone else gets what they want. Including the lawyers.
Or alternatively Ineos is wound up to free up money to pay off Mason Greenwood.Twitter: @RichN955 -
Hopefully the QS backroom staff who chuckled heartily about Landa's arrival will be looked after. I feel invested in those two guys.2
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That could equally be something around him being crap atm.andyp said:
I wouldnt also dismiss the possibility of the whole thing being wound up.0 -
It’s all getting very odd. First Lefay now Foss not joining.
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If you click the link, Carlos Verona has also had his offer withdrawn.stage_hunter said:
That could equally be something around him being censored atm.andyp said:
I wouldnt also dismiss the possibility of the whole thing being wound up.0 -
I saw. It's hard not to conclude that they are either disbanding or buying QS.andyp said:
If you click the link, Carlos Verona has also had his offer withdrawn.stage_hunter said:
That could equally be something around him being censored atm.andyp said:
I wouldnt also dismiss the possibility of the whole thing being wound up.
The lack of panic (at the moment) amongst their riders suggests the latter
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This all makes some sense but why would Ineos pay the wages of the excess QS riders that got transferred to the new Pinarello team? They're going to need riders and they are all proven at Pro Team level.RichN95. said:So there's a lot of talk about riders leaving Ineos at what this means. Rather than clog up the transfers thread I am going to outline my entire theory based on sensible logic rather than any rumours.
Bakala (owner of QS) would like to sell. Lefevere (68) has an eye on retirement. Without him there is no Quick Step.
Ineos make an offer to buy them out. Ineos became Ineos by buying up and merging companies. Bakala and Lefevere know they wont get a better offer. Also their star rider wants to target the Tour GC, something that has never interested Lefevere.
In the interim Evenepoel says neutral things like 'a contract is a contract' so Lefevere can't blame him for breaking yup a cycling institution.
Ineos take on the riders they want. Meanwhile the QS World Tour licence is traded to Q36.5, an ambitious team owned by Ivan Glasenberg, who is also the owner of Pinarello. They also take the excess QS riders (wages paid by Ineos) and the Pinarello sponsorship. Team Pinarello is born. Maybe Ganna goes to become the face of Pinarello.
Specialised move to Ineos.
Lefevere becomes a pundit on Belgian TV, criticising Ineos for mishandling Evenepoel
As a bonus, perhaps the AG-Soudal women's team, run by Natasha Knaven, wife of ex-Ineos DS Servais, becomes Ineos Women.
Who loses out in this scenario? Maybe some QS backroom staff. But everyone else gets what they want. Including the lawyers.
Or alternatively Ineos is wound up to free up money to pay off Mason Greenwood.0 -
If they were disbanding then surely the riders under contract would have been given the oppotunity to move on and many of them would have been snapped up.stage_hunter said:
I saw. It's hard not to conclude that they are either disbanding or buying QS.andyp said:
If you click the link, Carlos Verona has also had his offer withdrawn.stage_hunter said:
That could equally be something around him being censored atm.andyp said:
I wouldnt also dismiss the possibility of the whole thing being wound up.
The lack of panic (at the moment) amongst their riders suggests the latter
EDIT- If they were properly disbanding, Rodriguez to Movistar would have been announced0 -
There may not be enough room for all of them in a merged team,. But they will still be contracted to the QS organisation which ineos buy.. So they get placed with whoever takes the WT licence, who will need riders, with Ineos paying the rest of the contract.Pross said:
This all makes some sense but why would Ineos pay the wages of the excess QS riders that got transferred to the new Pinarello team? They're going to need riders and they are all proven at Pro Team level.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95's theory makes sense - a lot of that is possible.
Having listened to the RadioCycling podcast, Specialized are with Remco, and the Ineos contract with Pinarello ends in 2024.......and that they won't want to be seen to break a contact early. Doesn't mean they won't though......
Also, Total Energies are going elsewhere for a bike sponsor from next year, so that is one less team on Specialized; just QS & Bora. So more money is possibly freed up to use, probably towards Remco???
A leftfield solution is Specialized buying the QS licence, and bringing everything under Specialized Factory Racing, similar to Trek, but that's unlikely.
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I don't see Evenepoel as marketable enough outside of Belgium for specialized to start a team around him. He doesn't appear to be particularly popular. Having him, Pidcock and Ganna could be useful to them though."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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If the final final decision had been taken- I dont think they are disbanding.Pross said:
If they were disbanding then surely the riders under contract would have been given the oppotunity to move on and many of them would have been snapped up.stage_hunter said:
I saw. It's hard not to conclude that they are either disbanding or buying QS.andyp said:
If you click the link, Carlos Verona has also had his offer withdrawn.stage_hunter said:
That could equally be something around him being censored atm.andyp said:
I wouldnt also dismiss the possibility of the whole thing being wound up.
The lack of panic (at the moment) amongst their riders suggests the latter
EDIT- If they were properly disbanding, Rodriguez to Movistar would have been announced0 -
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Ciro from La Gazzetta has Castro, Fraile and Puccio re-signing for next season0
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Just read an article from Escape that Ineos are considering women's team for 2025. Could it be they are cutting out riders who don't fit into their plans going forward and will end up signing some more young riders like Storm, Bush, August, etc to fill out the roster and, at the same time, downsizing their salary budget? Anyone have any thoughts on this hypothesis? Thanks for your feedback.0
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On the GCN app, there’s a news story quoting the LR interview with Remco. He says he’s going to honour his contract and stay.
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If they merge he's honouring his contact.roscoe said:On the GCN app, there’s a news story quoting the LR interview with Remco. He says he’s going to honour his contract and stay.
"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago1 -
Footballers say that all the time. What he means is 'I'm not going to ask to leave publicly'. But if Ineos make an offer QS accept, he's not going to say 'no, I have a contract'roscoe said:On the GCN app, there’s a news story quoting the LR interview with Remco. He says he’s going to honour his contract and stay.
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Interesting to hear Luke Rowe admit to a level of naivety in presuming he'd be going to the Vuelta. As it's contract year for him I hope his naivety hasn't stretched any further.================================
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Talking of Luke Rowe, he did a recent interview with Rob & Elliot on RBTV......
https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/shows/just-ride
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Thomas maybe (he's 37 but I'd expect him to ride a year or two more if he gets a contract), but Rowe is only 33ddraver said:I think both those two are a hairs breadth away from chucking it all in...
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I think it's fair for Rowe to somewhat have a certain expectation of going to the Vuelta if he feels in shape, as he probably went to every GT he wanted to go to at that team for easily 6 years at least.
People never see their own decline coming and that has gotten amplified recently if you see how greats like Cristiano Ronaldo or Neymar not being able to find teams in Europe (willing to pay their immense salaries) and having to take the huge payday as consolation in Saudi Arabia. Given the choice I'm sure they would have rather stayed in Europe, albeit for huge salaries of course.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
I’m sure I heard something on one WO podcast that made me think Geraint had previously sacrificed an element of his salary to ensure a supporting rider he wanted got renewed at an acceptable rate, and I assumed it was Luke.
I now wonder if that won’t happen again?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
I think that is exactly what he did mean, actually.RichN95. said:
Footballers say that all the time. What he means is 'I'm not going to ask to leave publicly'. But if Ineos make an offer QS accept, he's not going to say 'no, I have a contract'roscoe said:On the GCN app, there’s a news story quoting the LR interview with Remco. He says he’s going to honour his contract and stay.
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Meanwhile, in the Pidcock household...
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