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  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 317
    DeVlaeminck said:

    stage_hunter said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    Yeah I think that's right. It's not like football where if you have the budget you can just go out and buy players to get you in the mix.

    To be fair we've probably seen them change tack by sending their best GC rider to the Giro - bold move that very nearly got the win.

    It literally is. If you have the budget you pay the transfer fee. It's just no-one really has the budget for a fee.

    What I mean is in football you didn't need Messi or Ronaldo to win the league - it's far more of a team game.

    In cycling you can build the best GC support team in the world but winning is hugely weighted towards having the best individual rider - if they are under contract tough luck. I don't think Ineos could just buy Vingegaard or Pogacar even if their budget was bigger than UAE or Jumbo Visma.
    They could if it was stupid bigger but yes, one individual is more dominant in a cycling team. I see what you mean
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited July 2023
    Ineos went off the rails with bernal crash ....never got back in the top.tier game . G kept them in the picture for a few years with some really excellent rides . Giro of course but his 3rd place last year really was best of the rest .

    TGH is solid podium material as long as his crash recover is ok . I thought trek was a sealed deal?
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    mididoctors said:

    Ineos went off the rails with bernal crash ....never got back in the top.tier game . G kept them in the picture for a few years with some really excellent rides . Giro of course but his 3rd place last year really was best of the rest .

    TGH is solid podium material as long as his crash recover is ok . I thought trek was a sealed deal?

    I thought so too but it's all gone a bit quiet on that front. I wonder if the injury has meant they've pulled out.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    edited July 2023
    Problem solved. Ganna and Tarling 1-2 at Tour of Wallonie. That’s the GC pair for the next 10 years……………….maybe not
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited July 2023
    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.

    Packed with awesome riders just not grand tour winners
    TGH maybe

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,342
    mididoctors said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.

    Packed with awesome riders just not grand tour winners
    TGH maybe

    Giro in 2020.
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  • mididoctors
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    pblakeney said:

    mididoctors said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.

    Packed with awesome riders just not grand tour winners
    TGH maybe

    Giro in 2020.
    Sure I meant presently
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,342
    mididoctors said:

    pblakeney said:

    mididoctors said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.

    Packed with awesome riders just not grand tour winners
    TGH maybe

    Giro in 2020.
    Sure I meant presently
    That probably depends more on who doesn't start, or finish.
    We all know there are two top runners, then the rest.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    pblakeney said:

    mididoctors said:

    pblakeney said:

    mididoctors said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.

    Packed with awesome riders just not grand tour winners
    TGH maybe

    Giro in 2020.
    Sure I meant presently
    That probably depends more on who doesn't start, or finish.
    We all know there are two top runners, then the rest.
    I think he is on par with roglic and remco at the giro or vuelta ...the other two less so .
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.


    Not for me. They aren't a car crash but the Ineos era had failed to find that Team Sky Midas touch.

    Froome is 38 so it's highly unlikely he'd have been at the top level now anyway. They have got some performances from riders who were there in the Sky days but they've had big signings like Carapaz and Yates who haven't pushed on there.

    Even Martinez was already a Dauphine winner when they signed him. Tao hasn't really backed up his Giro win, though he's shown some signs of life this year before his crash. Sivakov was being touted as a future grand tour winner on this forum a few years ago. Even Ganna hasn't really done much on the road given the engine he has.

    Bernal was a loss though they've known he may not end up as the rider we thought long before he rode into the back of a bus given longstanding back issues.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Of the current squad, I would say Tao and Carlos are the best options, if they can persuade them to stay.

    The loss of Portal was huge. Steve Cummings is getting a lot of praise so hopefully he may be the answer to that side.

  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,124
    roscoe said:

    mididoctors said:

    Ineos went off the rails with bernal crash ....never got back in the top.tier game . G kept them in the picture for a few years with some really excellent rides . Giro of course but his 3rd place last year really was best of the rest .

    TGH is solid podium material as long as his crash recover is ok . I thought trek was a sealed deal?

    I thought so too but it's all gone a bit quiet on that front. I wonder if the injury has meant they've pulled out.
    Hip / femur fracture, should be able to come back 100% but still a risk I would have thought.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    roscoe said:

    Of the current squad, I would say Tao and Carlos are the best options, if they can persuade them to stay.

    The loss of Portal was huge. Steve Cummings is getting a lot of praise so hopefully he may be the answer to that side.


    Yes Rodriguez looks the best bet. Be interesting if they back him fully for the tour next year and build his whole preparation around that. I suspect if they had a big name leader they'd play a longer game with him but circumstances may accelerate things.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    DeVlaeminck said:

    roscoe said:

    Of the current squad, I would say Tao and Carlos are the best options, if they can persuade them to stay.

    The loss of Portal was huge. Steve Cummings is getting a lot of praise so hopefully he may be the answer to that side.


    Yes Rodriguez looks the best bet. Be interesting if they back him fully for the tour next year and build his whole preparation around that. I suspect if they had a big name leader they'd play a longer game with him but circumstances may accelerate things.
    Assuming he stays. Apparently has 4/5 year deals on the table from Movistar and Ineos.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Thoughts on Pidcock? He can climb and is decent at TT's. Does he want to be a GC contender/leader?

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165
    Mas is only 28 - I can't see anyone else getting full support from Movistar for GC while he's there.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    kingstongraham said:

    Mas is only 28 - I can't see anyone else getting full support from Movistar for GC while he's there.

    True, but has he done enough to still be number 1?

    Formolo supposed to be joining from UAE.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,342
    roscoe said:

    Thoughts on Pidcock? He can climb and is decent at TT's. Does he want to be a GC contender/leader?

    My thoughts?
    He is second or third string in a GC battle. Best to put his efforts elsewhere.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    roscoe said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    roscoe said:

    Of the current squad, I would say Tao and Carlos are the best options, if they can persuade them to stay.

    The loss of Portal was huge. Steve Cummings is getting a lot of praise so hopefully he may be the answer to that side.


    Yes Rodriguez looks the best bet. Be interesting if they back him fully for the tour next year and build his whole preparation around that. I suspect if they had a big name leader they'd play a longer game with him but circumstances may accelerate things.
    Assuming he stays. Apparently has 4/5 year deals on the table from Movistar and Ineos.

    Didn't realise. If he leaves that will speak volumes given Ineos looks the ideal opportunity for a young GC rider.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165
    roscoe said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Mas is only 28 - I can't see anyone else getting full support from Movistar for GC while he's there.

    True, but has he done enough to still be number 1?

    This is Movistar, so absolutely.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    kingstongraham said:

    roscoe said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Mas is only 28 - I can't see anyone else getting full support from Movistar for GC while he's there.

    True, but has he done enough to still be number 1?

    This is Movistar, so absolutely.
    Make them fight. It's the Movistar way.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    DeVlaeminck said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.


    Not for me. They aren't a car crash but the Ineos era had failed to find that Team Sky Midas touch.

    Froome is 38 so it's highly unlikely he'd have been at the top level now anyway. They have got some performances from riders who were there in the Sky days but they've had big signings like Carapaz and Yates who haven't pushed on there.

    Even Martinez was already a Dauphine winner when they signed him. Tao hasn't really backed up his Giro win, though he's shown some signs of life this year before his crash. Sivakov was being touted as a future grand tour winner on this forum a few years ago. Even Ganna hasn't really done much on the road given the engine he has.

    Bernal was a loss though they've known he may not end up as the rider we thought long before he rode into the back of a bus given longstanding back issues.
    I'd say Tao was showing more than 'signs of life' before his crash at the Giro.

    This year Ganna has just won 2 stages and GC at Wallonia with one of stages being a bunch sprint, he was second at MSR where he outsprinted WVA in the group behind MVDP. He was 6th in PR after briding to the MVDP group. He's also had 2nd on GC at Algarve (2nd in a bunch sprint ahead of Meeus) and San Juan (stage 3rd in a sprint and stage 2nd in an MTF). His time trialling has dropped off a bit, possibly as he is focussing more on winning road races, but still has two wins, a second and a third from 4 outings.
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    Pross said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    RichN95. said:

    In under three years they lost two Tour winners to career altering crashes and a DS who won six Tours by the age of 40 died. They’ve done well to maintain the standard they have.


    Not for me. They aren't a car crash but the Ineos era had failed to find that Team Sky Midas touch.

    Froome is 38 so it's highly unlikely he'd have been at the top level now anyway. They have got some performances from riders who were there in the Sky days but they've had big signings like Carapaz and Yates who haven't pushed on there.

    Even Martinez was already a Dauphine winner when they signed him. Tao hasn't really backed up his Giro win, though he's shown some signs of life this year before his crash. Sivakov was being touted as a future grand tour winner on this forum a few years ago. Even Ganna hasn't really done much on the road given the engine he has.

    Bernal was a loss though they've known he may not end up as the rider we thought long before he rode into the back of a bus given longstanding back issues.
    I'd say Tao was showing more than 'signs of life' before his crash at the Giro.

    This year Ganna has just won 2 stages and GC at Wallonia with one of stages being a bunch sprint, he was second at MSR where he outsprinted WVA in the group behind MVDP. He was 6th in PR after briding to the MVDP group. He's also had 2nd on GC at Algarve (2nd in a bunch sprint ahead of Meeus) and San Juan (stage 3rd in a sprint and stage 2nd in an MTF). His time trialling has dropped off a bit, possibly as he is focussing more on winning road races, but still has two wins, a second and a third from 4 outings.
    There's probably a good chance that the San Juan results could become 1st in GC and 1st in a MTF. He's also still training for track and will be doing TT, IP and TP at the worlds next week.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    I found Dunbar's comment that his recent time at altitude was his first real stint to be quite surprising given his 4 years at Sky / Ineos.

  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    DeadCalm said:

    I found Dunbar's comment that his recent time at altitude was his first real stint to be quite surprising given his 4 years at Sky / Ineos.

    Is it? I think it's quite a recent thing that whole teams, classics squads etc spend time at altitude. It always used to just be the GC rider and core climbing squad for the Tour
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    I was listening to the Rich Roll/Cam Wurf podcast.

    Interesting stuff on the training side, the thing I took from it was the training from Tim Kerrison. It just sounded so organised and focused, especially from a group point of view.

    I really believe they've not been as competitive since he moved on.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,165
    Tao confirmed to Lidl
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,984
    edited August 2023
    kingstongraham said:

    Tao confirmed to Lidl

    I hope he does incredibly well there - wonder how long his contract is.

    PFP has a custom jersey, maybe just for the Worlds?
    As I am a long term PFP fanboi (And having French ancestry) I think I may well order one, and maybe one for my daughter.






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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    One thing with Ineos, they are always incredibly gracious when riders move on

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