The big Coronavirus thread

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

No-one is outlining what essential is.

I just don't know what you expect in 2 mins 30 seconds. And it is nonsense that no one is being told what essential is.

Basically the govt is saying use your common sense. Don't do what you all did on Sunday. We can now start to fine you. If in doubt, don't. More info to follow.

If it is more complicated people will also complain it's unclear. Stop bleeting.

coopster_the_1st

It isn't that difficult.

You know if you are essential, a don't know or not sure is really a No.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

No-one is outlining what essential is.

There's a list of essential services and has been for ages. There's only so much that can be fitted into a TV announcement, people need to do some thinking and checking for themselves and if in doubt assume it's not essential. My view of essential is that if you don't do it then either lives are at risk or people who are trying to save lives won't be able to do their job.

rick_chasey

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

No-one is outlining what essential is.

There's a list of essential services and has been for ages. There's only so much that can be fitted into a TV announcement, people need to do some thinking and checking for themselves and if in doubt assume it's not essential. My view of essential is that if you don't do it then either lives are at risk or people who are trying to save lives won't be able to do their job.

Plenty of people think keeping their job is essential e.g. builders who don't get paid if they don't turn up.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

No-one is outlining what essential is.

There's a list of essential services and has been for ages. There's only so much that can be fitted into a TV announcement, people need to do some thinking and checking for themselves and if in doubt assume it's not essential. My view of essential is that if you don't do it then either lives are at risk or people who are trying to save lives won't be able to do their job.

Plenty of people think keeping their job is essential e.g. builders who don't get paid if they don't turn up.

Which is why the Government tried to put the financial safety net in place before shutting things down. If someone is left with half a roof then I would say it's reasonable for a builder to turn up to make the house water tight but if someone is half way through building a conservatory and the house itself is secure then it isn't essential. I think part of the issue is that ego stops some people believing the world can keep turning without them doing their job. My job isn't essential but I'm lucky I can do it from home. Of course I'd be worried if I couldn't work about how I'd pay the mortgage (and there's a chance that in a few months work will have dried up and I'll be in that position as one of your 'chancers' who gets paid a dividend) but I still wouldn't be an essential worker.

haydenm

diamonddog said:

The part allowing exercise is the same as Italy allowed, it is impossible to monitor ie the once a day rule, bike ride in the morning and pretend to be jogging or go for a walk in the afternoon. Police are already stretched.

Also the public still don’t get social distancing, witness The Tube this morning.

I'm assuming they won't bother policing it, it just makes people stop and think. I could go for an entire day hike here and the risk would be extremely small

Pross

Depending where you live there'll no doubt be nosey neighbours keen to grass you up.

They need to sort that public transport situation in London. I can't believe all those people are travelling in cramped carriages for the fun of it which suggest there just aren't enough trains being provided at busy times to move essential workers around.

rick_chasey

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

No-one is outlining what essential is.

There's a list of essential services and has been for ages. There's only so much that can be fitted into a TV announcement, people need to do some thinking and checking for themselves and if in doubt assume it's not essential. My view of essential is that if you don't do it then either lives are at risk or people who are trying to save lives won't be able to do their job.

Plenty of people think keeping their job is essential e.g. builders who don't get paid if they don't turn up.

Which is why the Government tried to put the financial safety net in place before shutting things down. If someone is left with half a roof then I would say it's reasonable for a builder to turn up to make the house water tight but if someone is half way through building a conservatory and the house itself is secure then it isn't essential. I think part of the issue is that ego stops some people believing the world can keep turning without them doing their job. My job isn't essential but I'm lucky I can do it from home. Of course I'd be worried if I couldn't work about how I'd pay the mortgage (and there's a chance that in a few months work will have dried up and I'll be in that position as one of your 'chancers' who gets paid a dividend) but I still wouldn't be an essential worker.

I mean more the big corporate builds you get in central London. I would be confident putting a lot of money down that a decent proportion of people piling into tubes this morning are people who work on these sites. They have no salary, very few benefits, and they only get paid if they turn up; even worse, it's a first come first serve basis, so if you're out in the morning you'll see queues of builders every morning outside of these big construction sites.

Pross

This is the list the Government published in relation to who is an essential worker (this was published when the schools were closed)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

capt_slog

I'm pleased he made the statement, but it can be a bit confusing because it's now subject to "chinese whispers".

For example, he said do not leave your home. This morning this had morphed on the news to "do not leave your house" . This is very different, my home includes the garden.

house/home depends on the situation of the person writing the 'script' for the news

Pross

Pretty sure it would mean the boundary of the property you live at.

rick_chasey

I'm taking video conferences in the garden - can't risk waking the little one up during her mid-day nap.

kingstonian

The statement was clear, but there will always be donuts out there that revel in pretending they didn't understand it.

House or home - seriously, if an individual cannot figure it out then we have no hope.

ddraver

Must say from afar, you don't look very locked or down...

diamonddog

^^This, it’s a lockdown where everyone has a key to get out.

Longshot

diamonddog said:

^^This, it’s a lockdown where everyone has a key to get out.

Would you expect anything better from BJ?

diamonddog

No, or any of the others TBH

Pross

diamonddog said:

^^This, it’s a lockdown where everyone has a key to get out.

Not if they follow what we've actually been told. I think we'll have to start enforcement after a few days though as the traffic flowing past my house sounds as busy as a normal work day. It's like in extreme weather, everyone is convinced their journey is essential whilst they criticise all the others doing the same.

rick_chasey

TBF, I would imagine Corbyn would be pretty relaxed about a massive societal lockdown.

I would imagine he would have more stress lifting it afterwards.

TheBigBean

ddraver said:

Must say from afar, you don't look very locked or down...

Your town was on the news today. A horse that has bolted going by your description.

Pross

As an example I shouldn't be leaving the house unless I'm doing my once a day exercise or going for essential supplies which is basically just food in my case. The vast majority are in the same situation. My wife on the other hand is managing 5 houses and staff providing care to around 30 vulnerable adults so travelling around is essential. Hopefully she can combine getting our supplies with getting the supplies with the houses though so reducing my need to get out further.

diamonddog

I think we all know that people will not follow the advice and around the UK it sounds as though people are carrying on as normal so as you say enforcement will be and needs to be instigated and sooner rather than later.
As I said up thread we are into the second week of total lockdown and it isn’t as bad as people think.
YouTube on then lots of turbo work happening, it’s amazing how fast the day goes.😀

rjsterry

Pross said:

This is the list the Government published in relation to who is an essential worker (this was published when the schools were closed)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Gove specifically mentioned this morning that open air construction work could continue - hence a tube full of nurses, teachers and construction labour.

capt_slog

kingstonian said:

The statement was clear, but there will always be donuts out there that revel in pretending they didn't understand it.

House or home - seriously, if an individual cannot figure it out then we have no hope.

As I said, it depends on how or where you live as to how you interpret that. If someones home includes a shared garden for several properties, then it's not the same as if you have one patch of ground that no-one else will go in.

Yes, it's common sense, i didn't say it wasn't. I was just commenting on how peoples perceptions depend on their own circumstances and experience.

Another example is the 'is going out once a day for a cycle ride'. I'm sure that a lot of the population would take a dim view if they were told that for some of us on here, that could mean going out for 7 hours and doing 100 miles.

ddraver

TheBigBean said:

ddraver said:

Must say from afar, you don't look very locked or down...

Your town was on the news today. A horse that has bolted going by your description.

I heard, yeah. I could ve got on the telly box!

Pross

diamonddog said:

I think we all know that people will not follow the advice and around the UK it sounds as though people are carrying on as normal so as you say enforcement will be and needs to be instigated and sooner rather than later.
As I said up thread we are into the second week of total lockdown and it isn’t as bad as people think.
YouTube on then lots of turbo work happening, it’s amazing how fast the day goes.😀

It's not just advice anymore though.

It will be interesting to see how many people are still making 'hilarious' social media videos in a month or so!

Longshot

capt_slog said:

kingstonian said:

The statement was clear, but there will always be donuts out there that revel in pretending they didn't understand it.

House or home - seriously, if an individual cannot figure it out then we have no hope.

As I said, it depends on how or where you live as to how you interpret that. If someones home includes a shared garden for several properties, then it's not the same as if you have one patch of ground that no-one else will go in.

Yes, it's common sense, i didn't say it wasn't. I was just commenting on how peoples perceptions depend on their own circumstances and experience.

Another example is the 'is going out once a day for a cycle ride'. I'm sure that a lot of the population would take a dim view if they were told that for some of us on here, that could mean going out for 7 hours and doing 100 miles.

They would but why? Either cycling solo is safe in which case the distance is pretty irrelevant or it isn't in which case they should not allow it at all.

diamonddog

Has anyone on here in the UK received the government text yet?
Spain has 36k cases today a rise of 6k in 24 hours and that is with the full lockdown in place.

Pross, I agree fully with what you’re saying.

Longshot

Construction sites is an interesting one. Massive potential for virus spread on a large site but the economic impact of shutting them would be huge for any number of reasons. Risk worth taking?

coopster_the_1st

ddraver said:

Must say from afar, you don't look very locked or down...

The pragmatists amongst us know further lockdown checks are going to implemented in the coming days and weeks.

However the government and scientists have played a blinder here in getting most of the public to willfully agree to the lockdown and those not adhering are being socially shamed.

It's like it was part of a plan