The big Coronavirus thread

Dorset_Boy

That doesn't tally with the figures I've seen reported for Italy:
07/03 - Italy - 233 deaths UK - 21/03 - 233
08/03 - Italy - 366 deaths UK - 22/03 - 289
09/03 - Italy - 436 deaths UK - 23/03 - 335
10/03 - Italy - 631 deaths

We hit 233 deaths 14 days after Italy hit 233.
We hit 289 deaths when they hit 366 deaths.

https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90863877_10158157650085539_2915974273598226432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=NOHYqncgrUEAX-TcAkd&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=b7f0cb64363b5c46f30d3b30c326b26f&oe=5E9EA12A

kingstongraham

Different starting point. My numbers start on date of 10th death in each.

We're on the same trajectory.

kingstonian

Number of infections aren't on the same trajectory so perhaps the number of deaths won't be either. None of us really know, time will tell etc, but safe to say that fortune favours the cautious in this situation and we should be staying indoors.

capt_slog

I've been planting stuff in my greenhouse, and it made me wonder what the situation must be like if you happen to live in a tower block and are told you have to stay put..

To take that on a stage, how about all those people you see on 'rogue landlord' type programs where there are 7 living in someones garage?

kingstongraham

Meanwhile in the USA, Trump seems about to try to open up the economy back up in a few days time.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

Meanwhile in the USA, Trump seems about to try to open up the economy back up in a few days time.

I can't see how they can leave him in charge. He can literally kill millions. He's nuts. He's a liar. He's a monster. Someone made the point that since he can't hold rallies, he's now using the daily covid briefings as his chance to talk about himself and belittle anyone who threatens his own self image. It's an utter shîtshow. Makes Pence, and even Johnson, look sensible.

coopster_the_1st

kingstongraham said:

Meanwhile in the USA, Trump seems about to try to open up the economy back up in a few days time.

This does not surprise me. They are the most capitalist orientated country in the world. It will be left to people and businesses to decide how they move forward.

Survival of the fittest describes the USA perfectly

diamonddog

^^This, Johnson not so sure.

ddraver

An update from (now) rural Switzerland...

The local GPs made headlines by calling for Verbier to be put into quarantine as there are so many cases here. However, the decision has not been made as there is no one with the authority to make it.

The Community Facebook group is now full of polls asking people if they ve had it. To no one's surprise, almost everyone is saying yes. My drama queen housemates somehow persuaded the GP to test them and have all come back positive. I remain convinced that I had it two weeks ago.

The problem is not solved by a quarantine of Verbier though, because it is a village designed to hold 35,000 visitors but now currently holds about 2000 permanent residents and some bored seasonaires. Therefore we have 3 relatively big supermarkets - all of which have enforced entry numbers, have hand sanitiser at the door and lines on the floor to stop people queuing to close together. Nothing else is open. This pretty much matches the 'lockdown rules' in Span as described by our friend above. We can go out for walks, bike rides and ski touring and most people are careful to do so well within themselves and to keep their distance from each other.

The problem, as in Cornwall (my heart and my home) is stopping people coming to visit their second home. Unlike Cornwall however, as yet. Verbier is a flipping biohazard yet that still does not seem to deter people...

Anyway I watched Hook last night and now it's time for the highly questionable Disney version of Peter Pan. The crocodile fight scene being in my opinion, one of the funniest scenes in all cinema. (The less said about Indians, the better...😶 )

tailwindhome

tailwindhome said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well you’ve got empty shelves in shops and bars that are full so I don’t think the Comms has been up to f@cking scratch.

Trouble is that the comms have been just that, and advice.
We already have advice not to drink or smoke. Doesn't work, does it? Rhetorical.
Behaviours won't fully change until forced.
Advising someone not to go to work is somehow completely different from advising them not to go to the pub. In fact, some will find it to be the perfect arrangement.

In Ireland they banned indoor gatherings >100

Saturday 15th the pubs were full

The social media backlash was instant and vicious - it was socially unacceptable for the pubs to be open so they closed.

I sense this is starting in the UK now.
Lockdown is imminent

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

An update from (now) rural Switzerland...

The local GPs made headlines by calling for Verbier to be put into quarantine as there are so many cases here. However, the decision has not been made as there is no one with the authority to make it.

The Community Facebook group is now full of polls asking people if they ve had it. To no one's surprise, almost everyone is saying yes. My drama queen housemates somehow persuaded the GP to test them and have all come back positive. I remain convinced that I had it two weeks ago.

The problem is not solved by a quarantine of Verbier though, because it is a village designed to hold 35,000 visitors but now currently holds about 2000 permanent residents and some bored seasonaires. Therefore we have 3 relatively big supermarkets - all of which have enforced entry numbers, have hand sanitiser at the door and lines on the floor to stop people queuing to close together. Nothing else is open. This pretty much matches the 'lockdown rules' in Span as described by our friend above. We can go out for walks, bike rides and ski touring and most people are careful to do so well within themselves and to keep their distance from each other.

The problem, as in Cornwall (my heart and my home) is stopping people coming to visit their second home. Unlike Cornwall however, as yet. Verbier is a flipping biohazard yet that still does not seem to deter people...

Anyway I watched Hook last night and now it's time for the highly questionable Disney version of Peter Pan. The crocodile fight scene being in my opinion, one of the funniest scenes in all cinema. (The less said about Indians, the better...😶 )

DDR, if you have had it a couple of weeks back, can they now tell by testing? As presumably if you're now immune then you don't need to be holed up. (Although I have a feeling we haven't got to that stage of thinking or planning yet).

Also damn glad I didn't go manage to go skiing this season!

diamonddog

Interesting post that ddraver.

rick_chasey

I am 50/50 if I have it.

Terrible cold that has lasted well over a week which is really unusual for me. Have started aching all over the last few days. Headaches. Amount of snot is unbelievable. Got bad then better then worse.

But chest is fine, no cough at all and no temperature (though my thermometer also says I am borderline hypothermic so...)

ddraver

What I know of this comes from Ma and Pa raver who were, until recently, A practice Nurse and GP respectively.

The currently available test only tests for the presence of CV in your system (snot from what I've seen). There have been many cases of people repeatedly testing negative but then rapidly coming down with the virus. Also, anecdotes from Iceland where the entire population was tested suggests that 50% of people may test positive but show no symptoms. I wonder - as a...geologist - that if I'm living with three people testing positive for CV, if I would test positive too because particles are in my nose but not affecting my system because my body knows how to deal with it. i.e. I have the antibodies to deal with it

As you've worked out I'm sure, the next test that needs to be developed is one for antibodies, effectively similar to the BCG pre-test (which I'm sure has an actual name). From then we can work out who is 'safe' and whether or not people can catch it twice etc. This is bloomin hard work for a lot of very clever people though.

Hook has just captured Tigerlilly... 😮

coopster_the_1st

rick_chasey said:

I am 50/50 if I have it.

Terrible cold that has lasted well over a week which is really unusual for me. Have started aching all over the last few days. Headaches. Amount of snot is unbelievable. Got bad then better then worse.

But chest is fine, no cough at all and no temperature (though my thermometer also says I am borderline hypothermic so...)

I very much doubt it. You can still continue to look forward to getting it.

diamonddog

DDR, you probably had a have/had a bad head cold I believe the main symptoms of corona virus is the cough and high temperature.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

Meanwhile in the USA, Trump seems about to try to open up the economy back up in a few days time.

AKA "let's kill old people". It's only a few million, then we'll have more money for us. Jeez.

rick_chasey

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

I am 50/50 if I have it.

Terrible cold that has lasted well over a week which is really unusual for me. Have started aching all over the last few days. Headaches. Amount of snot is unbelievable. Got bad then better then worse.

But chest is fine, no cough at all and no temperature (though my thermometer also says I am borderline hypothermic so...)

I very much doubt it. I can still continue to look forward to you getting it.

Ftfy

ddraver

That's Chasey

I had the fever thang and a bit of a cough. Cough notable because it was the first symptom that appeared. Usually, with a cold it's the last thing I get and is clearly caused by the excess phlegm

Tink just saved Peter from the bomb 😭

TheBigBean

Plans being put together to take over the Excel centre

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/nhs-plans-to-turn-excel-centre-into-coronavirus-hospital

Wish someone had thought of that earlier.

tailwindhome

I'm mostly enjoying the face on Dr Deborah Birx every time she has to stand behind these morons

https://twitter.com/peter_mcgahan/status/1241814447196442625?s=20

focuszing723

I don't think the symptoms are the same for everybody. Some peoples immune systems seem to be able to fight it better than others. As we know children seem to show little if any complications.

briantrumpet

focuszing723 said:

I don't think the symptoms are the same for everybody. Some peoples immune systems seem to be able to fight it better than others. As we know children seem to show little if any complications.

There are also some reports of people losing the sense of smell and taste, as additional indicators.

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

Meanwhile in the USA, Trump seems about to try to open up the economy back up in a few days time.

AKA "let's kill old people". It's only a few million, then we'll have more money for us. Jeez.

Or there's Bolsonaro claiming the whole thing is a fabrication of the media. 😬

focuszing723

briantrumpet said:

focuszing723 said:

I don't think the symptoms are the same for everybody. Some peoples immune systems seem to be able to fight it better than others. As we know children seem to show little if any complications.

There are also some reports of people losing the sense of smell and taste, as additional indicators.

Yes, also digestion problems too, again not for everybody.

focuszing723

Test Test Test!

briantrumpet

Pross

An elderly family friend (effectively an additional aunt to my wife and gran to my kids) has just been taken into hospital with suspected Covid. My wife has been checking on her as she has no family nearby and lots of health issues, she had to have a blood transfusion about 10 days ago and then had to go back to hospital a few days later for iron and is also registered blind so very difficult being alone and isolated. She was there when the ambulance came and said she had a cough and temperature but also had other symptoms that appeared stroke like. Still waiting to hear from the hospital but if confirmed I'd be very surprised if she pulls through given her age and physical health.

tailwindhome

briantrumpet said:

The Telegraph really have redefined the word Premium

kingstonian

briantrumpet said:

focuszing723 said:

I don't think the symptoms are the same for everybody. Some peoples immune systems seem to be able to fight it better than others. As we know children seem to show little if any complications.

There are also some reports of people losing the sense of smell and taste, as additional indicators.

Gary Lineker posted today that someone in his house has had exactly those symptoms, but not had it confirmed whether or not it is Covid-19