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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    I really do wonder about people sometimes. Priorities...

    "The news that McDonald’s was closing its restaurants from 7pm on Monday led some people to jump into cars and head to the drive-throughs. Big queues were seen in Birmingham, Wirral, north-west England, Romford in Essex, and Sleaford in Lincolnshire. In Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, staff were forced to manage the queues."

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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    My turbo trainer which I was meaning to put on eBay is going to be dusted down. I’ll be taking my 13 yr old son out for a run every other day, my wife will take our 11 yr old out for one every other day too. The table tennis table we bought a couple of years ago is already being put to good use.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    twotoebenny said:



    I heard run, cycle (covers me) and exercise i.e walk the dogs (covers me and the OH).

    ONE form of exercise... so technically if ur. cycling then you ain't walking the dog

    Don't fret Benny boy, I'll be doing alternate days :)
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Are garages allowed to remain open? Just thinking with my MOT due in about 6 weeks what would happen when I need the car to go to the shops as the nearest supermarket is 4 miles away.

    Also, was there a limit on how many times you can walk the dog each day?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,330
    Pross said:

    Are garages allowed to remain open? Just thinking with my MOT due in about 6 weeks what would happen when I need the car to go to the shops as the nearest supermarket is 4 miles away.

    Mine is due next Friday so I looked...

    How to have an MOT carried out

    "Garages are considered an essential service and so, even as other businesses reduce their service or shut down entirely, MOT stations should remain open and you should be able to book a test as usual.

    Many garages and online maintenance services are looking at ways to provide the test while reducing the risks to their staff and customers. Options including zero-contact handover of the vehicle are being explored by many businesses, along with special cleaning precautions.

    If you have virus symptoms or are self-isolating, the DVSA has emphasised that you must not take your vehicle to be tested."

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I was hoping I could self-certify!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436


    UK line showing a distinct curve away from the 33% line.

    US slope awful
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436


    NYC looks horrendous
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    edited March 2020
    tailwindhome said:



    NYC looks horrendous
    I think that's because it was so suppressed before when Trump didn't want people tested, because positive tests would make him look bad. Now testing is catching up with the real situation.

    Sorry, edit, this is deaths, not positives. I'm not sure what testing of dead people was going on previously, so whether earlier ones we have been misattributed to other causes.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Will be interesting to follow that over the next few days. It looks like the curve is doing what they are aiming for and looks favourable compared to France but could just be a blip.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    Pross said:

    Will be interesting to follow that over the next few days. It looks like the curve is doing what they are aiming for and looks favourable compared to France but could just be a blip.


    I'm afraid I think it might be a blip, given where London was heading, and the scenes at the weekend. I hope I'm wrong.
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  • oblongomaculatus
    oblongomaculatus Posts: 616
    kingstonian said:

    crescent said:

    I've just replayed the announcement. So, I heard "ok to cycle" and "ok to go out and buy essentials". Essentially the PM has told us all to buy a new bike......I think.

    Good luck finding a bike shop open.
    Bike shops are on the list of those allowed to stay open, surprisingly. Whether any do remains to be seen.

  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    morstar said:

    Sister in law does dog walking in London. Wonder where her business is going?

    Argentina have banned dog walking.
    Maybe they want to fatten the pooches up as an emergency measure.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    tailwindhome said:



    UK line showing a distinct curve away from the 33% line.

    US slope awful
    I am seeing that curve as very good news for the UK. All measure now in place so we just cross our fingers the NHS can hang on for two weeks
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,172
    edited March 2020
    Not sure how you read that as being good for the UK. Our slope is less steep only than Spain. I imagine London is similar to New York.

    The US numbers will in reality by MUCH, much worse unfortunately. You only have to visit the big cities to realise how may people in the US don't actually officially exist. Even a good portion of those who do exist don't get picked up by health services of any kind.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Will be interesting to follow that over the next few days. It looks like the curve is doing what they are aiming for and looks favourable compared to France but could just be a blip.


    I'm afraid I think it might be a blip, given where London was heading, and the scenes at the weekend. I hope I'm wrong.
    I’m cautiously optimistic. Even given the scenes at the weekend which weren’t the desired lockdown, I would suggest there was probably greater separation than the previous weekend when people were still in towns in shops instead.
    So I’d say we’ve seen a gradual slowing of social contact rather than the more rapid stop we should now see.
    Will be interesting to see what sort of dispersal activity is required this weekend.
    Expect that Snowdon path will be difficult to access.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    First.Aspect said:

    Not sure how you read that as being good for the UK. Our slope is less steep only than Spain. I imagine London is similar to New York.

    The US numbers will in reality by MUCH, much worse unfortunately. You only have to visit the big cities to realise how may people in the US don't actually officially exist. Even a good portion of those who do exist don't get picked up by health services of any kind.

    It's because the curve is starting to flatten, if it carries on its current shape it will be far more favourable than most other countries.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Piers Morgan obviously enjoyed the reaction to yesterday's rant as he's really off on one today to the point of getting that meaningless figure Farage on to back him up.

    I agree with what he's saying but as ever he seems to be saying it in a way that's intended to get him publicity (as this post proves!).
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Pross said:

    Piers Morgan obviously enjoyed the reaction to yesterday's rant as he's really off on one today to the point of getting that meaningless figure Farage on to back him up.

    I agree with what he's saying but as ever he seems to be saying it in a way that's intended to get him publicity (as this post proves!).


    I’m usually quite mild, but at the mo I want to reach into the telly and punch him. Really easy to sit back and criticise that the government doesn’t have a manual prescribing exactly what to do at every step through this unprecedented situation
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,172
    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Not sure how you read that as being good for the UK. Our slope is less steep only than Spain. I imagine London is similar to New York.

    The US numbers will in reality by MUCH, much worse unfortunately. You only have to visit the big cities to realise how may people in the US don't actually officially exist. Even a good portion of those who do exist don't get picked up by health services of any kind.

    It's because the curve is starting to flatten, if it carries on its current shape it will be far more favourable than most other countries.
    You mean flatten like Spain's on day 9 and the US on day 12?

    There's not enough data yet to tell and it will take two weeks for the damage from the bank holiday scenes over the weekend to work through. I'm alarmed by the steepness of the slope per se and that we took quite a bit longer than Italy or China to take these steps.

    I hope you are right though, honestly.
  • diamonddog
    diamonddog Posts: 3,426
    edited March 2020
    The part allowing exercise is the same as Italy allowed, it is impossible to monitor ie the once a day rule, bike ride in the morning and pretend to be jogging or go for a walk in the afternoon. Police are already stretched.

    Also the public still don’t get social distancing, witness The Tube this morning.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstonian said:

    Pross said:

    Piers Morgan obviously enjoyed the reaction to yesterday's rant as he's really off on one today to the point of getting that meaningless figure Farage on to back him up.

    I agree with what he's saying but as ever he seems to be saying it in a way that's intended to get him publicity (as this post proves!).


    I’m usually quite mild, but at the mo I want to reach into the telly and punch him. Really easy to sit back and criticise that the government doesn’t have a manual prescribing exactly what to do at every step through this unprecedented situation
    Yep, even his own reporter seemed to get exasperated and essentially tell him to shut the **** up and realise there's a huge amount of information that it's unreasonable to expect a politician to remember it all. Yesterday's rant felt so false and intended solely for social media shares and likes and he obviously got them so is sticking with it. Why have an irrelevance like Farage on other than he's a like mind?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Not sure how you read that as being good for the UK. Our slope is less steep only than Spain. I imagine London is similar to New York.

    The US numbers will in reality by MUCH, much worse unfortunately. You only have to visit the big cities to realise how may people in the US don't actually officially exist. Even a good portion of those who do exist don't get picked up by health services of any kind.

    It's because the curve is starting to flatten, if it carries on its current shape it will be far more favourable than most other countries.
    You mean flatten like Spain's on day 9 and the US on day 12?

    There's not enough data yet to tell and it will take two weeks for the damage from the bank holiday scenes over the weekend to work through. I'm alarmed by the steepness of the slope per se and that we took quite a bit longer than Italy or China to take these steps.

    I hope you are right though, honestly.
    Which is why I said it might be a blip. I'm worried there'll be a sharp rise due to the irresponsible weekend behaviour and the reduced public transport causing over-crowding.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Can I just point out that dense cities always do worse in plagues than other parts of the country.

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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    We will have benefitted from action taken in other regions which is important.
    This works in our favour as that is earlier in our timeline than it was for Spain and Italy.

    It's such a complex model with so many parameters that it is very difficult to predict with certainty what will happen but hopefully our curve (end everybody elses) continue, or start to, flatten.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Pross said:

    kingstonian said:

    Pross said:

    Piers Morgan obviously enjoyed the reaction to yesterday's rant as he's really off on one today to the point of getting that meaningless figure Farage on to back him up.

    I agree with what he's saying but as ever he seems to be saying it in a way that's intended to get him publicity (as this post proves!).


    I’m usually quite mild, but at the mo I want to reach into the telly and punch him. Really easy to sit back and criticise that the government doesn’t have a manual prescribing exactly what to do at every step through this unprecedented situation
    Yep, even his own reporter seemed to get exasperated and essentially tell him to shut the **** up and realise there's a huge amount of information that it's unreasonable to expect a politician to remember it all. Yesterday's rant felt so false and intended solely for social media shares and likes and he obviously got them so is sticking with it. Why have an irrelevance like Farage on other than he's a like mind?
    He is bashing Boris and the government because they have snubbed him because of his attitude/approach when interviewing them.

    He is being blinded by his own ego
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

    Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

    Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

    No-one is outlining what essential is.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    rick_chasey said:

    A lot of people saying what he said was clear on here.

    Straw poll of less engaged friends suggests it was anything but.

    Pretty much everyone came up with various forms of "i'm confused".

    No-one is outlining what essential is.

    Agreed. Someone posted the new Govt advice in a Bristol covid FB group and the chat was hundreds and hundreds of comments asking 'what about my situation....' and getting answers from others on FB on what they reckoned the answer was.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Naturally almost nobody was saying "I don't know" or "they haven't said yet" it was all interpretations they felt very comfortable sharing.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Not sure how you read that as being good for the UK. Our slope is less steep only than Spain. I imagine London is similar to New York.

    The US numbers will in reality by MUCH, much worse unfortunately. You only have to visit the big cities to realise how may people in the US don't actually officially exist. Even a good portion of those who do exist don't get picked up by health services of any kind.

    It's because the curve is starting to flatten, if it carries on its current shape it will be far more favourable than most other countries.
    You mean flatten like Spain's on day 9 and the US on day 12?

    There's not enough data yet to tell and it will take two weeks for the damage from the bank holiday scenes over the weekend to work through. I'm alarmed by the steepness of the slope per se and that we took quite a bit longer than Italy or China to take these steps.

    I hope you are right though, honestly.
    We were in clear water as second worst in the world, if the flattening continues then we could be pushing for top five.

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