The big Coronavirus thread
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Your comment was worded in such a way as to make it seem like a good result. I was being flippant.diamonddog said:
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Ah well, that’s all right then.diamonddog said:
As far as I can ascertain the abandoned care home is in Madrid and they also found some live patients.Pross said:Dead bodies being found abandoned in Spanish retirement homes. That's something we really need to learn from here, care workers need to be getting all the support they need to keep providing a safe level of support especially as in many cases they'll be taking in people who have perhaps been cleared out of hospitals earlier than they otherwise would.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If that is the latest guidelines then I will interpret it as an imminent complete shutdown. No need for an MOT if you can't drive anywhere. I will check with my garage next week but I won't be surprised if it is not necessary by then.Pross said:
MOTs now suspended for 3 months other than vehicles essential to the Covid effort. Not sure whether that means you can keep driving without an MOT as many people will still need their car for those essential journeys.pblakeney said:
Mine is due next Friday so I looked...Pross said:Are garages allowed to remain open? Just thinking with my MOT due in about 6 weeks what would happen when I need the car to go to the shops as the nearest supermarket is 4 miles away.
How to have an MOT carried out
"Garages are considered an essential service and so, even as other businesses reduce their service or shut down entirely, MOT stations should remain open and you should be able to book a test as usual.
Many garages and online maintenance services are looking at ways to provide the test while reducing the risks to their staff and customers. Options including zero-contact handover of the vehicle are being explored by many businesses, along with special cleaning precautions.
If you have virus symptoms or are self-isolating, the DVSA has emphasised that you must not take your vehicle to be tested."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I can imagine rail and utilities have much tighter controls on who can/can't work on them. At the smaller end of the scale, nearly every plumber, electrician, plasterer, etc. is self-employed. And even a domestic building site needs a couple of days to shut down properly so that it is secure and weathertight. The advice on construction could have been much clearer and with more warning.elbowloh said:
This is certainly not a situation i recognise, although i'm more involved in building and maintaining infrastructure (rail, gas, water, electricity facilities, bridges and tunnels etc) than residential, so that sector might be different. We're mostly self delivery, with specialist subcontractors. If additional labour is required its through approved agencies only.rick_chasey said:They have no salary, very few benefits, and they only get paid if they turn up; even worse, it's a first come first serve basis, so if you're out in the morning you'll see queues of builders every morning outside of these big construction sites.
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I only know this as I attended the wedding of a woman who's husband (former professional boxer) is now a relatively senior manager on a big commercial site.
His company do not have salaried employees. They get paid for the days the work and the roles they fill and if they complete on time they get a bonus, proportional to the role and the number of days they turned up.
He broke his ankle and he carried on working because he'd just had to spend a lot of money on an unexpected car problem, so couldn't work. I would be surprised if he isn't still working....
I was quite surprised but according to him it seemed fairly common; he told me to look out for the queues in the morning and sure enough, every morning...0 -
The usual process on big sites is that a Main Contractor wins the job, they have very few direct employees outside on the management roles and even many of those roles will be carried out by a freelancer. The actual work will be subbed out to a whole bunch of smaller companies and again some key roles will be freelance workers. Those companies may in turn have a sub-Contractor. Some smaller companies will have direct workers but others will be employed on a temporary basis to cover fluctuations in workload whilst many others amongst the trades will be self-employed subbies. Ironically they'll probably be amongst your chancers that pay themselves through dividends - when the going is good it can be very good and the well disciplined will leave money in the 'business' for the leaner times whilst others won't be so well organised and fail to split the business from themselves.0
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The amount of people I read say something along the lines of 'it's really busy still everywhere with people ignoring the lockdown. I saw so many people when I was driving home from work but I have to go out as I can't work from home'.
The Government need to just make it simple and say you only travel for work if designated as a key worker. They've put the financial support in place to try to help those who wouldn't be able to work from home and it sounds like measures for the self-employed are coming in once it has been worked out how best to do it.
At the other end of the scale one of my wife's staff has just asked if she needs to self-isolate as she looked after her niece and nephew whose father's gran has been confirmed as having the virus. The kids don't even live with the father but the staff member is in a right panic!0 -
The BBC were running a story earlier that had gap year students travelling around the world complaining they couldn't get home, even suggesting chartered flights to be laid on for them. I don't know what they are moaning about, they wanted bit of an adventure surely and now they have got one.0
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In your opinion maybe, in my opinion and living in Spain I was just giving a bit more clarity to a post from another poster who only mentioned the unfortunate dead. Either way I am not on here to argue.pblakeney said:
Your comment was worded in such a way as to make it seem like a good result. I was being flippant.diamonddog said:
????pblakeney said:
Ah well, that’s all right then.diamonddog said:
As far as I can ascertain the abandoned care home is in Madrid and they also found some live patients.Pross said:Dead bodies being found abandoned in Spanish retirement homes. That's something we really need to learn from here, care workers need to be getting all the support they need to keep providing a safe level of support especially as in many cases they'll be taking in people who have perhaps been cleared out of hospitals earlier than they otherwise would.
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Has anyone here had one of the letters that was going to be sent to the 1.5 million most vulnerable.
We were expecting one at my house, but our postie seems have vanished.0 -
Personally, I found the abandoning of the living residents more shocking than abandoning the dead.diamonddog said:
In your opinion maybe, in my opinion and living in Spain I was just giving a bit more clarity to a post from another poster who only mentioned the unfortunate dead. Either way I am not on here to argue.pblakeney said:
Your comment was worded in such a way as to make it seem like a good result. I was being flippant.diamonddog said:
????pblakeney said:
Ah well, that’s all right then.diamonddog said:
As far as I can ascertain the abandoned care home is in Madrid and they also found some live patients.Pross said:Dead bodies being found abandoned in Spanish retirement homes. That's something we really need to learn from here, care workers need to be getting all the support they need to keep providing a safe level of support especially as in many cases they'll be taking in people who have perhaps been cleared out of hospitals earlier than they otherwise would.
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Down here, our local delivery office is 7 posties down, and they've been told to prioritise the delivery of parcels over letters. Overtime working has also been stopped and the postal service is totally dependent on that to run normally. May explain the delay....mrfpb said:Has anyone here had one of the letters that was going to be sent to the 1.5 million most vulnerable.
We were expecting one at my house, but our postie seems have vanished.0 -
The police came out and told them to b@gger off this afternoon after seeing a comment on the local FB page - a fine next time apparently.joe2019 said:Loads of surfers on the beach today getting their 'daily exercise' (I can see them on live surf cam) - most of them won't be local either, most will have travelled from the nearest towns - at least 20 miles away.
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Ay-eesh. Just got an email from a long term client of mine, they are in late 70s, I go in there springtime and autumn, do the heavy lifting e.g. to get their vege garden up and running, and then closed down prepped for the next spring, while she mainly does all the cropping and looking after in the summer.
However, he has developed Parkinson's, is wheelchair bound; he is now in hospital isolation with Covid-19 plus has contracted an e-coli infection. Not sounding good. She is in self isolation, she not allowed to visit him, family not permitted to visit her.
Message tonight is: please could I come and plant her potatoes etc, as long as she wears gloves and stays inside while I'm outside....😳
She will be under so much stress and despair, I understand the cry for help. But I cannot do that... breaking the rules, visiting somewhere with confirmed infection, risking contact with viral contaminated surfaces, risk of bringing the wee nasty back home into own family circle which has our own vulnerables...
I would really like to help her in her v difficult times, but. Perhaps I say to her leave it couple of weeks and if she remains clear then maybe I can give her some help, with some serious PPE / distancing?
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Bad and sad. 😢
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
A bit harsh. They've run out of money, they're flights have been cancelled and they aren't able to work to keep themselves going. It does highlight that you should have an emergency fund available before going backpacking for a year thoughverylonglegs said:The BBC were running a story earlier that had gap year students travelling around the world complaining they couldn't get home, even suggesting chartered flights to be laid on for them. I don't know what they are moaning about, they wanted bit of an adventure surely and now they have got one.
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I know of two in that boat.
They were warned. Their families begged them to make their way home.
"Nah, it'll be alright."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Plenty of us were that dumb and over confident between the ages of 17 and 21. Why didn't their parents warn them there would be a world wide pandemic shutting down international transport and any form of free movement.pblakeney said:I know of two in that boat.
They were warned. Their families begged them to make their way home.
"Nah, it'll be alright."0 -
One of them is comfortably over 21, in fact past her 2nd 21st.mrfpb said:
Plenty of us were that dumb and over confident between the ages of 17 and 21. Why didn't their parents warn them there would be a world wide pandemic shutting down international transport and any form of free movement.pblakeney said:I know of two in that boat.
They were warned. Their families begged them to make their way home.
"Nah, it'll be alright."
Oh! And re read my second line in the previous post.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
well - after next week, that's me on the gov payroll ... our co is all but shutting down - just a couple of directors remaining to monitor - the rest of us get to rest up at home...
although that means I'll be a home school teacher full time then ...
Been out on the bikes this afternoon - it's a well used path, but wide enough that we're not in close proximity to anyone else. If I get a chance I'll pop out further on my MTB - no-one to say hello to where I go - let alone stop me .. all within a few miles of home so reasonable (IMHO) as exercise.
LittleSB though - he's getting frustrated and bored - he so wants to go and play with his school mates, kicking a ball with Dad is ok, but it's not quite the same...
Hopefully this lockdown can be relaxed a smidge in the not too distant future...0 -
Compare and contrast reactions in Trump's USA and India.0
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I seem to remember saying that the US would be catastrophic... look at NYC here... deaths of doubling every day, and only just been put on lockdown.
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If that's the case I go bankrupt. There is no salary support for me as I am.a director of my company. Will you feed me and house me. Thought not. Neither will the government. Also when this is over very few will have a job and the whole nation is screwed.Pross said:The amount of people I read say something along the lines of 'it's really busy still everywhere with people ignoring the lockdown. I saw so many people when I was driving home from work but I have to go out as I can't work from home'.
The Government need to just make it simple and say you only travel for work if designated as a key worker. They've put the financial support in place to try to help those who wouldn't be able to work from home and it sounds like measures for the self-employed are coming in once it has been worked out how best to do it.
At the other end of the scale one of my wife's staff has just asked if she needs to self-isolate as she looked after her niece and nephew whose father's gran has been confirmed as having the virus. The kids don't even live with the father but the staff member is in a right panic!
I might have topped myself by them through sheer depression. Well I probably wont but many will.
There is a danger the cure is worse than the disease in our desperation and panic to avert deaths we instead condemn the whole nation to poverty from which there is no coming out of. Things seem fine now but if society start to break down in 12 months time ith food shortages and we dont have a vaccine we will wonder do we just let the old die so the rest of us can live.
People need to think through what they are saying. If people cant earn then there is no state as the state needs peoples wealth to fucntion.
This will.not be over in 3 months or even 6. 12 at least. We have to work even if it's for our own personal sanity.
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What makes you think you're the only one in that position? I'm in the same boat and will be trying to feed and house myself but the longer we go for half measures the longer it will last and the greater the chance of businesses going under. The Government are working out measures for self-employed at the moment apparently so that will hopefully go some way towards sorting the issue out. We need to stop people thinking they are an exception to the rules.0
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Times saying that 5,605 tests were done yesterday
Seems a long time ago that we were told it was 10,000, rising to 25,000 and on to 250,000 a day.
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We've still done the 4th highest number of tests though apparently.0
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I dont see myself as an exception but I am not self employed neither am I am an employee. A director is a different catagory not covered.Pross said:What makes you think you're the only one in that position? I'm in the same boat and will be trying to feed and house myself but the longer we go for half measures the longer it will last and the greater the chance of businesses going under. The Government are working out measures for self-employed at the moment apparently so that will hopefully go some way towards sorting the issue out. We need to stop people thinking they are an exception to the rules.
Secondly there are two types of head in the sand thinking. One is I can carry on as normal. That's wrong. Birkenhead was full of shoppers yesterday. The other is that shutting ourselves indoors and everyone deemed not essential stops working and that will makes this go away. It wont and that's the problem. The virus is still out there.
The governments advise is really simple. If you really need to head out just keep 2m away from others and limited or remove as many of those 2m interactions as possible. If you cant then stay I doors. I can do that. My wife is working from home mostly (she is deemed a key worker). Therefore theres no problem here. My issue is with all the folk just saying just stay in doors. Sounds simple and fine to begin withbut after a few months it looks less appealing. We have to get our heads around working 2m apart from one another and when we head out keeping our distance. It's really simple but for some reason people are finding hard to understand that.
There are plenty of business that cant function currently and those are the ones that need support. There are numerous people who can work from home and from my own facebook feed those comfortable folk are also the ones saying just stay at home.
Those of us who can work and keep our distance should continue to do so.
The other problem is harvest time. There food in the system now but farmers need to continue to get animals to slaughter, and pull in the harvest in august. A shortage of farm hands is to be expected.
Stay at home has its limits. That my whole point. Yet this is missed by people who I feel are sticking the head in the sand and hoping staying at home will make it go away.
Hancock again has said the simple thing. If you nmcant work from home go to work but keep 2m away. If you cant then dont work. It really is that fucking simple.www.thecycleclinic.co.uk0 -
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Totally agree.thecycleclinic said:
I dont see myself as an exception but I am not self employed neither am I am an employee. A director is a different catagory not covered.Pross said:What makes you think you're the only one in that position? I'm in the same boat and will be trying to feed and house myself but the longer we go for half measures the longer it will last and the greater the chance of businesses going under. The Government are working out measures for self-employed at the moment apparently so that will hopefully go some way towards sorting the issue out. We need to stop people thinking they are an exception to the rules.
Secondly there are two types of head in the sand thinking. One is I can carry on as normal. That's wrong. Birkenhead was full of shoppers yesterday. The other is that shutting ourselves indoors and everyone deemed not essential stops working and that will makes this go away. It wont and that's the problem. The virus is still out there.
The governments advise is really simple. If you really need to head out just keep 2m away from others and limited or remove as many of those 2m interactions as possible. If you cant then stay I doors. I can do that. My wife is working from home mostly (she is deemed a key worker). Therefore theres no problem here. My issue is with all the folk just saying just stay in doors. Sounds simple and fine to begin withbut after a few months it looks less appealing. We have to get our heads around working 2m apart from one another and when we head out keeping our distance. It's really simple but for some reason people are finding hard to understand that.
There are plenty of business that cant function currently and those are the ones that need support. There are numerous people who can work from home and from my own facebook feed those comfortable folk are also the ones saying just stay at home.
Those of us who can work and keep our distance should continue to do so.
The other problem is harvest time. There food in the system now but farmers need to continue to get animals to slaughter, and pull in the harvest in august. A shortage of farm hands is to be expected.
Stay at home has its limits. That my whole point. Yet this is missed by people who I feel are sticking the head in the sand and hoping staying at home will make it go away.
Hancock again has said the simple thing. If you nmcant work from home go to work but keep 2m away. If you cant then dont work. It really is that censored simple.
"If we ever have a pandemic that affects people with underlying common sense issues then we will be close to an extinction level event."
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I think every government understands that current measures cannot continue for more than a few weeks. There is a direct correlation between death rates and economic health. I guarantee that the government advisors know this. At some stage there will be a cross over.
Whether that is 3, 6 or 12 who knows, but that is why these measures were delayed for as long as they were. Which also generated a chorus of criticism. What d'ya know, there's no right answer.
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As I said, I'm in the same position. I'm not covered by the wage guarantee and whilst I can work from home the work is related to the construction industry so is drying up. We're OK for a few months but if this doesn't get pulled under control soon there won't be enough coming in to cover everything. The problem is that once areas of grey are introduced people exploit it and what originally seemed like stringent measures suddenly aren't as effective as they should be. You can't leave it in the hands of people to decide if the rules apply to them. How does anyone enforce the 2m rule in the workplace?thecycleclinic said:
I dont see myself as an exception but I am not self employed neither am I am an employee. A director is a different catagory not covered.Pross said:What makes you think you're the only one in that position? I'm in the same boat and will be trying to feed and house myself but the longer we go for half measures the longer it will last and the greater the chance of businesses going under. The Government are working out measures for self-employed at the moment apparently so that will hopefully go some way towards sorting the issue out. We need to stop people thinking they are an exception to the rules.
Secondly there are two types of head in the sand thinking. One is I can carry on as normal. That's wrong. Birkenhead was full of shoppers yesterday. The other is that shutting ourselves indoors and everyone deemed not essential stops working and that will makes this go away. It wont and that's the problem. The virus is still out there.
The governments advise is really simple. If you really need to head out just keep 2m away from others and limited or remove as many of those 2m interactions as possible. If you cant then stay I doors. I can do that. My wife is working from home mostly (she is deemed a key worker). Therefore theres no problem here. My issue is with all the folk just saying just stay in doors. Sounds simple and fine to begin withbut after a few months it looks less appealing. We have to get our heads around working 2m apart from one another and when we head out keeping our distance. It's really simple but for some reason people are finding hard to understand that.
There are plenty of business that cant function currently and those are the ones that need support. There are numerous people who can work from home and from my own facebook feed those comfortable folk are also the ones saying just stay at home.
Those of us who can work and keep our distance should continue to do so.
The other problem is harvest time. There food in the system now but farmers need to continue to get animals to slaughter, and pull in the harvest in august. A shortage of farm hands is to be expected.
Stay at home has its limits. That my whole point. Yet this is missed by people who I feel are sticking the head in the sand and hoping staying at home will make it go away.
Hancock again has said the simple thing. If you nmcant work from home go to work but keep 2m away. If you cant then dont work. It really is that censored simple.
Of course it doesn't look appealing, I'm nervous about whether I'll be able to keep a roof over my head in a few months but then I would say thousands of people dying looks less appealing!
Your point on farming is moot, food production and distribution is classified as essential and so can continue.0
