The big Coronavirus thread
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Schools in HK have been shut for two months already.pblakeney said:
Pretty much, yes.DeVlaeminck said:
It's not a binary choice between full lock down and normality though and we don't know how long Italy will remain on lock down. Are you suggesting you expect it to be for 6 months?pblakeney said:
Simply look to Italy etc. We will follow whatever they are doing. It is not going to be nice or palatable but expecting any return to normality for the foreseeable is futile.DeVlaeminck said:
But for how long? If you can't go for a walk what does that do for mental and physical health?pblakeney said:
It can. It is just unpalatable.DeVlaeminck said:A complete lock down can't be a solution for multiple months but something between that and our current "freedoms" might be.
A vaccine could be 18months away would people stay indoors for 18 months - what about those that have had the virus ? One of the reasons the govt themselves gave for not going straight in with serious restrictions was they knew support for them would wane over time.
More? Wuhan didn't require that.
I take information from China with a pinch of salt. They denied it’s existence to begin with and I expect a relapse when movement resumes.
We have (deliberately) let this get out of control and now will take months to get it back under control.0 -
I think we all expect a relapse if things revert to normal - precisely why we need workable restrictions for the long term which can keep the level of infection at a level that we can provide treatment for.
I don't think even China would countenance total lock down until we have a vaccination programme.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
But as far as I'm aware even the lockdown in Italy doesn't involve everyone being confined to their home 24 hours a day. They can go out to work (in certain circumstances) and to get groceries or walk the dog. I think they can still go for a walk or run as an individual although there seems to be some variance in how the police deal with that.0
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I don't think you can go for a walk unless you have a dog. Lock down means you stay indoors unless you have one of the accepted reasons for going out - a run or walk isn't amongst them afaik. Take a friend of mine - she has a teenage son with Downs, ADHD and autism. He becomes violent if he doesn't get a huge amount of exercise - she's currently struggling because his normal routine of school and clubs isn't happening - if she can't spend a few hours a day outside with him she couldn't cope. OK you can make exceptions but how many until it becomes unenforceable?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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The trouble with that is that you have to define workable restrictions. I’m sure that most people could argue that it is necessary to go to work at which point the restrictions become meaningless.DeVlaeminck said:I think we all expect a relapse if things revert to normal - precisely why we need workable restrictions for the long term which can keep the level of infection at a level that we can provide treatment for.
I don't think even China would countenance total lock down until we have a vaccination programme.
Refer to photos from this morning on the tube as an example.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Telegraph reporting that Harvey Weinstein has been diagnosed with Coronavirus.........so there is a God after all.........0
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If 'god' just wanted to get to Weinstein, then 'god' has got a funny way of going about it...kingstonian said:Telegraph reporting that Harvey Weinstein has been diagnosed with Coronavirus.........so there is a God after all.........
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You can't argue with that!0
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I thought j heard that kids with EHCP were still going into school?DeVlaeminck said:I don't think you can go for a walk unless you have a dog. Lock down means you stay indoors unless you have one of the accepted reasons for going out - a run or walk isn't amongst them afaik. Take a friend of mine - she has a teenage son with Downs, ADHD and autism. He becomes violent if he doesn't get a huge amount of exercise - she's currently struggling because his normal routine of school and clubs isn't happening - if she can't spend a few hours a day outside with him she couldn't cope. OK you can make exceptions but how many until it becomes unenforceable?
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Just for clarity about lockdown in Spain:
No going for a stroll only a short walk allowed for the dog to do what it needs to, driver only allowed in car for essential journey ie food shop/ pharmacy and then only within a certain distance of your home, strict one in one out at supermarkets with restrictions on close contact inside, certain essential journeys to care for relatives ie shopping for or collecting meds are allowed, schools closed fully, no visits to doctors or hospitals for blood tests, regular check up appointments etc. The Guardia are checking paperwork of walkers, drivers and fines are being issued if not a valid journey.
We are into the 2nd week and TBH I don’t have a problem with being locked down except for not getting out on the bike, the turbo is more than earning it’s cost at the moment and the weather is rubbish here at the moment.0 -
He could but his mum thinks it's too risky .surrey_commuter said:
I thought j heard that kids with EHCP were still going into school?DeVlaeminck said:I don't think you can go for a walk unless you have a dog. Lock down means you stay indoors unless you have one of the accepted reasons for going out - a run or walk isn't amongst them afaik. Take a friend of mine - she has a teenage son with Downs, ADHD and autism. He becomes violent if he doesn't get a huge amount of exercise - she's currently struggling because his normal routine of school and clubs isn't happening - if she can't spend a few hours a day outside with him she couldn't cope. OK you can make exceptions but how many until it becomes unenforceable?
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don't think I've seen this anywhere else in the thread, but the rail network has effectively been nationalised for the next 6 months at least.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/covid-19-government-suspends-rail-franchise-agreements0 -
FFS. London, this morning, photo from the Telegraph. Speechless.
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https://www.ft.com/content/b887d344-6c8b-11ea-89df-41bea055720b
academics confirming what SC has been saying - uk strategy will likely cost between 30,000 to 70,000 preventable deaths0 -
Unbelievable!! People in the UK seem to be in denial as to how bad this virus is and how it will affect the UK in the next couple of weeks.0
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Just the flu, innit.
Yes, I’m being facetious.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Is that possibly a result of services being restricted? There's no way of knowing if those people need to get around rather than just want to get around and now they're getting forced onto fewer trains. That said, I'd be walking or cycling if at all possible as a crowded train is something I'd be avoiding at all costs!briantrumpet said:FFS. London, this morning, photo from the Telegraph. Speechless.
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diamonddog said:
Unbelievable!! People in the UK seem to be in denial as to how bad this virus is and how it will affect the UK in the next couple of weeks.
This is a good article on how Italians only started taking it seriously when the government enforced the lockdown. The Telegraph photo is from an article saying the the Cabinet is telling Johnson to lock down London at least. It seems they have good reason. But will Johnson bunglefudge it? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/a-warning-to-europe-italy-struggle-to-convince-citizens-of-coronavirus-crisis0 -
It has become obvious over the past couple of weeks that everyone expects everyone else to behave sensibly but what they are doing is too important.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Pross said:
Is that possibly a result of services being restricted? There's no way of knowing if those people need to get around rather than just want to get around and now they're getting forced onto fewer trains. That said, I'd be walking or cycling if at all possible as a crowded train is something I'd be avoiding at all costs!briantrumpet said:FFS. London, this morning, photo from the Telegraph. Speechless.
Yes. I read that there's discontent not just in London about the effect that reduced public transport services is producing.
"London Underground lines were pictured busy this morning, with commuters in close proximity despite Government pleas to practice social distancing.
Some claimed there was little other option for those who needed to travel in for work, since a number of services had been reduced by Transport for London.
Nurse Julia Harris, who tweeted pictures of queues and a packed carriage at North Greenwich tube station, urged Mayor of London Sadiq Khan and Prime Minister Boris Johnson to address the situation, adding: "This is becoming dangerous for critical workers.""0 -
Don't know if this has already been posted but Germany expects a similar mortality rate to Italy, regardless of current stats.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts0 -
In the modern celebrity culture, perhaps a high profile celebrity death is what is needed to concentrate people's minds.
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Lots of people are still being told to go to work though.briantrumpet said:FFS. London, this morning, photo from the Telegraph. Speechless.
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kingstonian said:
Telegraph reporting that Harvey Weinstein has been diagnosed with Coronavirus.........so there is a God after all.........
BREAKING: Harvey Weinstein tests positive for coronavirus.
— Have I Got News For You (@haveigotnews) March 23, 2020
UPDATE: Coronavirus confirms it is self-isolating.0 -
elbowloh said:
Lots of people are still being told to go to work though.briantrumpet said:FFS. London, this morning, photo from the Telegraph. Speechless.
Maybe Johnson should penalise any non-essential businesses who don't facilitate home working as much as possible.
Just glad I'm anywhere near London.0 -
Surely that has to be down to the messaging. The whole herd immunity thing was all along the Coopster line of thinking and would have given non-vulnerable groups a sense of not my problem.pblakeney said:It has become obvious over the past couple of weeks that everyone expects everyone else to behave sensibly but what they are doing is too important.
Anyway they know advise does not work so they just have to enforce.
I am surprised we don’t have regional policies or maybe they assume somebody in the sticks who haven’t seen a copper in 3 months will just ignore it anyway.0 -
4 more days on...kingstongraham said:6 days after the 10th death in Italy, they had 52 total deaths. 6 days after the 10th death in the UK, now 104 total deaths.
This still puts us about two weeks behind Italy, and with worse outcomes so far.
Italy were at 233, UK is at 289.
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We have slowed the growth slightly - doubling number of deaths in three days rather than two. But it's too small a time frame to be really significant. Last week I thought UK deaths were looking to be over 2,000 by Friday if changes hadn't had time to affect spread. We'll see what the wekend brings!kingstongraham said:
4 more days on...kingstongraham said:6 days after the 10th death in Italy, they had 52 total deaths. 6 days after the 10th death in the UK, now 104 total deaths.
This still puts us about two weeks behind Italy, and with worse outcomes so far.
Italy were at 233, UK is at 289.0 -
Italy's recorded deaths appear to be doubling every 5 days, just fo contrast. We could well catch them up.0
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And we will not reverse the death rate until 14 days after going into lockdown.kingstongraham said:
4 more days on...kingstongraham said:6 days after the 10th death in Italy, they had 52 total deaths. 6 days after the 10th death in the UK, now 104 total deaths.
This still puts us about two weeks behind Italy, and with worse outcomes so far.
Italy were at 233, UK is at 289.
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