The big Coronavirus thread
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You only need to look at Italy and the pleading the hospital staff are making.ballysmate said:We have 144 reported deaths and still people can't keep out of pubs. But that said, what good is staying out of the Red Lion to go and join the scrum for toilet rolls at Tesco?
If the government had shut the pubs and clubs 2 weeks ago before we had any deaths and gone for a lock down I get the feeling some on here would have accused them of panicking and tanking the economy unnecessarily.
Terrible position to be in, but if you are in government, you have to go with the best advice available.
2 weeks ago:
“Don’t make the same mistake as us! Get indoors now!”0 -
Without getting all 2008 on everyone’s arse, we’ve yet to see the secondary shocks hit the markets yet.
We’re in the middle of a credit crunch that makes 2007/8 look like a lending bonanza.
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Don’t they realise that is the antidote? 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597rick_chasey said:
You only need to look at Italy and the pleading the hospital staff are making.ballysmate said:We have 144 reported deaths and still people can't keep out of pubs. But that said, what good is staying out of the Red Lion to go and join the scrum for toilet rolls at Tesco?
If the government had shut the pubs and clubs 2 weeks ago before we had any deaths and gone for a lock down I get the feeling some on here would have accused them of panicking and tanking the economy unnecessarily.
Terrible position to be in, but if you are in government, you have to go with the best advice available.
2 weeks ago:
“Don’t make the same mistake as us! Get indoors now!”
Would recommend reading this.
That’s London in a fortnight....0 -
So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.
Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html0 -
As I'm now a keyworker it seems I can get all the pissy lattes I want for free. It's going to make my commute much longer having to stop at six or more places for free coffee on the way in.Stevo_666 said:
This really. It's a bit inconvenient for a few months, but that's about as bad as it gets.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Was on my way to the funeral today in my car.
Really really surprised by how full all the cafés were.
Had half a mind to go in and censored them all.
Suspect I may do en route to the chemist to pick up my wife’s and daughter’s prescription, tomorrow.
FFS. I was just reminding myself that post-WW2 rationing went on for nine years, and these cockwombles won't give up a few weeks of their pïssy lattes to try to stop thousands dying unnecessarily.0 -
It's irrational but somehow I get it.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
We are talking at cross purposes. I think the Govt’s plan is formed through an ideological need to be different because we are British.pblakeney said:
Flip side of that is that it is not really working, is it?surrey_commuter said:
My point is that the Govt knows that - so why do you think they have not shut the pubs? Surely all part of the strategy to manage the rate of infection?pblakeney said:
My point was that simply advising isn't stringent enough to get everyone to change.surrey_commuter said:
Businesses were advised to shut. You suspect our Govt knows that advising people to go down the pub is less effective than telling pubs to shut. Therefore why have they made that decision?pblakeney said:
Trouble is that the comms have been just that, and advice.rick_chasey said:Well you’ve got empty shelves in shops and bars that are full so I don’t think the Comms has been up to f@cking scratch.
We already have advice not to drink or smoke. Doesn't work, does it? Rhetorical.
Behaviours won't fully change until forced.
Advising someone not to go to work is somehow completely different from advising them not to go to the pub. In fact, some will find it to be the perfect arrangement.
For example, our office was full today, and I expect it to be the same next week.
Same as closing the tube - stops it spreading on so many different levels. But if you wanted to slow the spread and incredibly easy thing to implement.
Me I would have learnt from Johnny Foreigner and gone early at throwing the kitchen sink at testing and isolation.0 -
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I've no doubt the A11 into Norfolk tonight will be full of Londoners heading to their second homes on the coast.0
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The government changing tack rather conflicts with your 'British exceptionalism' theory. Adapting to changing circumstances is a good thing, no? Frankly, human history is a series of things we could have done better, and the public have as much responsibility as the government in this. We will only really know how much of it we got less wrong in a couple of years time or more.surrey_commuter said:So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.
Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I see our Berkshire_commuter is living up to his name again!
The UK is on a similar strategy to Germany yet there is no criticism of Germany. To say we should somehow follow the sh!tfit panic that Italy and Spain have had because they lost control of the virus and their population is madness. I'm sure we will get to full lockdown pretty soon but it is much better to do it in a phased approach rather than as a panic measure.
London is a concern, it was always going to be the epicenter in the UK because of its interconnected nature and demographics but a London shutdown will not happen, it will be an immediate whole UK one as they have learnt from Italy and Spain on this0 -
The UK doesn't have control of the viruscoopster_the_1st said:I see our Berkshire_commuter is living up to his name again!
The UK is on a similar strategy to Germany yet there is no criticism of Germany. To say we should somehow follow the sh!tfit panic that Italy and Spain have had because they lost control of the virus and their population is madness. I'm sure we will get to full lockdown pretty soon but it is much better to do it in a phased approach rather than as a panic measure.
London is a concern, it was always going to be the epicenter in the UK because of its interconnected nature and demographics but a London shutdown will not happen, it will be an immediate whole UK one as they have learnt from Italy and Spain on this“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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And we are closer to the Italy/Spain model than Germanytailwindhome said:
The UK doesn't have control of the viruscoopster_the_1st said:I see our Berkshire_commuter is living up to his name again!
The UK is on a similar strategy to Germany yet there is no criticism of Germany. To say we should somehow follow the sh!tfit panic that Italy and Spain have had because they lost control of the virus and their population is madness. I'm sure we will get to full lockdown pretty soon but it is much better to do it in a phased approach rather than as a panic measure.
London is a concern, it was always going to be the epicenter in the UK because of its interconnected nature and demographics but a London shutdown will not happen, it will be an immediate whole UK one as they have learnt from Italy and Spain on this0 -
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Presumably IDS doesn’t think inherited wealth is a disincentive to work0 -
rjsterry said:
The government changing tack rather conflicts with your 'British exceptionalism' theory. Adapting to changing circumstances is a good thing, no? Frankly, human history is a series of things we could have done better, and the public have as much responsibility as the government in this. We will only really know how much of it we got less wrong in a couple of years time or more.surrey_commuter said:So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.
Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html
It will not be years.
Very soon (days) we will discover if Boris can maintain the optimum level of infections to maximise the NHS without overwhelming it. Within a couple of weeks we will know if we are on a German or Italian trajectory.
What circumstances have changed in the last few weeks, or put another way, what do they know now that they did not know two weeks ago?0 -
Agreed. Cross purposes and we probably agree.surrey_commuter said:
We are talking at cross purposes. I think the Govt’s plan is formed through an ideological need to be different because we are British.pblakeney said:
Flip side of that is that it is not really working, is it?surrey_commuter said:
My point is that the Govt knows that - so why do you think they have not shut the pubs? Surely all part of the strategy to manage the rate of infection?pblakeney said:
My point was that simply advising isn't stringent enough to get everyone to change.surrey_commuter said:
Businesses were advised to shut. You suspect our Govt knows that advising people to go down the pub is less effective than telling pubs to shut. Therefore why have they made that decision?pblakeney said:
Trouble is that the comms have been just that, and advice.rick_chasey said:Well you’ve got empty shelves in shops and bars that are full so I don’t think the Comms has been up to f@cking scratch.
We already have advice not to drink or smoke. Doesn't work, does it? Rhetorical.
Behaviours won't fully change until forced.
Advising someone not to go to work is somehow completely different from advising them not to go to the pub. In fact, some will find it to be the perfect arrangement.
For example, our office was full today, and I expect it to be the same next week.
Same as closing the tube - stops it spreading on so many different levels. But if you wanted to slow the spread and incredibly easy thing to implement.
Me I would have learnt from Johnny Foreigner and gone early at throwing the kitchen sink at testing and isolation.
FWIW, I doubt this will hit home with the public until it gets up close an personal. When it will be too late. See Rick’s post above.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Currently there should be no right to party.0
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The Queen gives a message about how we're all in this together before leaving her home in London for her weekend pad in the Shires isn't really sending the right message!
I suspect a lockdown is coming very soon but there won't be advanced notice in order to stop people escaping the cities first.0 -
Absolutely the wrong PM at the worst possible time.
This isn't even party political.
I'd happily swap him out for Thatcher, Cameron, Major or May
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Beastie Boys say otherwise. 😉focuszing723 said:Currently there should be no right to party.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He got Brexit done!tailwindhome said:Absolutely the wrong PM at the worst possible time.
This isn't even party political.
I'd happily swap him out for Thatcher, Cameron, Major or May0 -
Does it really matter who's in charge? It was always going to be a $h1t show until immunity or the right drug is found.
I'm sure if this doesn't turn Johnson into a nervous wreck, it will finally make him the strong accountable/responsible Leader he's always aspired to be. After this Brexit will seem easy as making bog roll.0 -
This has always been a managed approach into a lockdown. If you have not realised that you are having a tough wake-up call!
The lockdown will be a number of months as well or until you are proven to have recovered from C19.0 -
I assume it was more a case of putting things in place ready to announce the next phase e.g. you would think the financial support plans took a fair bit of discussion before suggesting pubs and restaurants close, either that or the Government showed uncharacteristic reactions by sorting it out in 24 hours.surrey_commuter said:rjsterry said:
The government changing tack rather conflicts with your 'British exceptionalism' theory. Adapting to changing circumstances is a good thing, no? Frankly, human history is a series of things we could have done better, and the public have as much responsibility as the government in this. We will only really know how much of it we got less wrong in a couple of years time or more.surrey_commuter said:So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.
Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html
It will not be years.
Very soon (days) we will discover if Boris can maintain the optimum level of infections to maximise the NHS without overwhelming it. Within a couple of weeks we will know if we are on a German or Italian trajectory.
What circumstances have changed in the last few weeks, or put another way, what do they know now that they did not know two weeks ago?
You can't look at the immediate effects of the virus in isolation, it needs consideration holistically to prevent consequences further down the line.0 -
I still say we will know in days if the Sombrero approach has workedPross said:
I assume it was more a case of putting things in place ready to announce the next phase e.g. you would think the financial support plans took a fair bit of discussion before suggesting pubs and restaurants close, either that or the Government showed uncharacteristic reactions by sorting it out in 24 hours.surrey_commuter said:rjsterry said:
The government changing tack rather conflicts with your 'British exceptionalism' theory. Adapting to changing circumstances is a good thing, no? Frankly, human history is a series of things we could have done better, and the public have as much responsibility as the government in this. We will only really know how much of it we got less wrong in a couple of years time or more.surrey_commuter said:So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.
Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html
It will not be years.
Very soon (days) we will discover if Boris can maintain the optimum level of infections to maximise the NHS without overwhelming it. Within a couple of weeks we will know if we are on a German or Italian trajectory.
What circumstances have changed in the last few weeks, or put another way, what do they know now that they did not know two weeks ago?
You can't look at the immediate effects of the virus in isolation, it needs consideration holistically to prevent consequences further down the line.0 -
focuszing723 said:
Does it really matter who's in charge? It was always going to be a $h1t show until immunity or the right drug is found.
I'm sure if this doesn't turn Johnson into a nervous wreck, it will finally make him the strong accountable/responsible Leader he's always aspired to be. After this Brexit will seem easy as making bog roll.
Yes it matters a lot.
In Jan a different leader may have started work on getting more ventilators, our waited until last week to issue a TV plea to manufacturers to try and make them.
In Jan a different leader may have started ramping up our testing capabilities, our leader announced last week that he was boosting them from a few hundred a day to 10,000 a day, yesterday he announced he was boosting them from 5,000 to 250,000. So he missed his previous target by 50% and plucked a new one out of the air.
Check the ubiquitous charts and ask yourself would you rather be bracketed with Italy and Iran or nestled in with Singapore, Korea and Germany.
So to answer your question, yes it does matter to the tens of thousands of extra people who will die.0
