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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    TheBigBean said:

    This report is quite interesting for followers of the death olympics. I haven't read it all and I don't know how accurate it is for each country, but it shows that, as expected, Spain and Italy significantly underreported deaths. What's more surprising is so did Germany whose excess deaths are very similar to the UK.

    http://www.thelancet-press.com/embargo/COVIDexcessmortality.pdf

    If true, that must come as a massive disappointment to those on here who were looking forward to hanging that gold medal around Boris' neck.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Looking back at the start of this thread and realised Bompington hasn't been around these parts for ages. Hope he's alright and just got bored.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,383
    Pross said:

    Looking back at the start of this thread and realised Bompington hasn't been around these parts for ages. Hope he's alright and just got bored.

    Probably.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Stevo_666 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    wallace_and_gromit said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I know everyone has moved on to being Ukraine experts, but I'm intrigued by how little discussion there has been about the paper on excess deaths.

    Possibly because it didn't fit in with the narrative on here?
    Naughty!
    :smile:

    It's plausible, after all those who spent a lot of energy in the earlier phases of the pandemic shouting about how terribly we were handling it and and how almost any other country was doing it better are hardly likely to welcome a report that shows they were, at least to some extent, talking bollox.

    Your narrative that lots of people were saying we were doing terribly at everything covid simply isn't true.
    I didn't say how many people - there are a few examples who I'm sure you will recall though. They might have more sofas than the average UK household.
    Couple of times in life where I think I missed a trick. Not buying up all the flowers I could get my hands on when Diana died and not having shares in DFS when Corona hit.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,383
    ballysmate said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    wallace_and_gromit said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I know everyone has moved on to being Ukraine experts, but I'm intrigued by how little discussion there has been about the paper on excess deaths.

    Possibly because it didn't fit in with the narrative on here?
    Naughty!
    :smile:

    It's plausible, after all those who spent a lot of energy in the earlier phases of the pandemic shouting about how terribly we were handling it and and how almost any other country was doing it better are hardly likely to welcome a report that shows they were, at least to some extent, talking bollox.

    Your narrative that lots of people were saying we were doing terribly at everything covid simply isn't true.
    I didn't say how many people - there are a few examples who I'm sure you will recall though. They might have more sofas than the average UK household.
    Couple of times in life where I think I missed a trick. Not buying up all the flowers I could get my hands on when Diana died and not having shares in DFS when Corona hit.

    Hopefully you had shares in P&G, as they make nappies.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,142
    edited March 2022
    Omicron with and without good vaccine coverage:



    An amazing graph.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    kingstongraham said:

    Omicron with and without good vaccine coverage:



    An amazing graph.
    CFR is about 5%. Worse than the peak of the UK first wave. This from the 'mild' omicron variant.

    Huge lockdowns in progress in China as well. And to think some idiots were talking about it being over.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Omicron with and without good vaccine coverage:



    An amazing graph.
    CFR is about 5%. Worse than the peak of the UK first wave. This from the 'mild' omicron variant.

    Huge lockdowns in progress in China as well. And to think some idiots were talking about it being over.
    Can we definitely rule out a new variant?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,329
    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Omicron with and without good vaccine coverage:



    An amazing graph.
    CFR is about 5%. Worse than the peak of the UK first wave. This from the 'mild' omicron variant.

    Huge lockdowns in progress in China as well. And to think some idiots were talking about it being over.
    Can we definitely rule out a new variant?

    Just looks like omicron catching up with an unvaccinated elderly population.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    edited March 2022
    Why is HK this unvaccinated?
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    pangolin said:

    Why is HK this unvaccinated?

    Don't know. Possibly they thought their VERY strict entry procedures were enough. It's awful.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,329
    pangolin said:

    Why is HK this unvaccinated?


    Looks like a mixture of things.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3166840/coronavirus-hong-kong-alone-afraid-and

    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    edited March 2022
    @Stevo_666 and @ballysmate what's it like having a little "Like Elf", giving a thumbs up to all of your posts?
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,383
    Ben6899 said:

    @Stevo_666 and @ballysmate what's it like having a little "Like Elf", giving a thumbs up to all of your posts?

    Credit where credit's due I guess :)
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,142
    I think Hong Kong are also using a lot of Sinovac rather than mRNA vaccines, which probably won't be helping.
  • First.Aspect
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    kingstongraham said:

    I think Hong Kong are also using a lot of Sinovac rather than mRNA vaccines, which probably won't be helping.

    Why?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,142
    First.Aspect said:

    kingstongraham said:

    I think Hong Kong are also using a lot of Sinovac rather than mRNA vaccines, which probably won't be helping.

    Why?
    It's not as good against Omicron.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,160
    kingstongraham said:

    First.Aspect said:

    kingstongraham said:

    I think Hong Kong are also using a lot of Sinovac rather than mRNA vaccines, which probably won't be helping.

    Why?
    It's not as good against Omicron.
    Is it worse than AZ? My understanding is that the mrna vaccines give a huge initial response but that it wanes quicker than the more conventional vaccines. In a hand waving sense, and not rest I understand, I had though this was basically because the conventional vaccines give the body larger particles to respond to, so they generate a slightly broader longer term immune response.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,142
    First.Aspect said:

    kingstongraham said:

    First.Aspect said:

    kingstongraham said:

    I think Hong Kong are also using a lot of Sinovac rather than mRNA vaccines, which probably won't be helping.

    Why?
    It's not as good against Omicron.
    Is it worse than AZ? My understanding is that the mrna vaccines give a huge initial response but that it wanes quicker than the more conventional vaccines. In a hand waving sense, and not rest I understand, I had though this was basically because the conventional vaccines give the body larger particles to respond to, so they generate a slightly broader longer term immune response.
    Much the same, I think. So Sinovac plus mRNA booster would do the trick, but this https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hong-kong-vaccine-surge-sees-majority-pick-sinovac-over-biontech says that 61% of people getting their first dose this year in HK were going for Sinovac
  • tailwindhome
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    For the first time since July 21, there are no 'Covid 19 patients on an ICU ventilator' in NI
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,329
    Meanwhile, it seems to be spreading like wildfire amongst my friends... just as the Zoe study has its funding pulled... "If you stop the testing, it'll just disappear, like magic"...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Wiped me out. Can barely read for more than 3 minutes at a time without having to lie down.

    Nightmare for work, this is a big week career wise.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,329
    rick_chasey said:

    Wiped me out. Can barely read for more than 3 minutes at a time without having to lie down.

    Nightmare for work, this is a big week career wise.


    Seems to be wiping a lot of people out for 10 days. Hope you recover quickly.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    briantrumpet said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Wiped me out. Can barely read for more than 3 minutes at a time without having to lie down.

    Nightmare for work, this is a big week career wise.


    Seems to be wiping a lot of people out for 10 days. Hope you recover quickly.
    are we sure this is Omicron? most people I know barely knew they had it
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,329
    surrey_commuter said:

    briantrumpet said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Wiped me out. Can barely read for more than 3 minutes at a time without having to lie down.

    Nightmare for work, this is a big week career wise.


    Seems to be wiping a lot of people out for 10 days. Hope you recover quickly.
    are we sure this is Omicron? most people I know barely knew they had it
    No idea. Who's interested? Not the government, it seems.
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  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,548
    . . . you're all aware that there's a new variant "Deltacron" right? Reported as having a "R"of 10 this morning on the radio . . .
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,319
    edited March 2022
    laurentian said:

    . . . you're all aware that there's a new variant "Deltacron" right? Reported as having a "R"of 10 this morning on the radio . . .

    Doesn't matter. BJ says live with it so that's that then.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,548
    pblakeney said:

    laurentian said:

    . . . you're all aware that there's a new variant "Deltacron" right? Reported as having a "R"of 10 this morning on the radio . . .

    Doesn't matter. BJ says live with it so that's that then.
    Ashamed that I questioned his sagacity.

    I think I'm right in saying that this variant is causing the problems in HK (Honkers?) and China at the moment
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  • veronese68
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    laurentian said:

    . . . you're all aware that there's a new variant "Deltacron" right? Reported as having a "R"of 10 this morning on the radio . . .

    I thought Pi was the next letter in the greek alphabet, I like pie so was looking forward to that one.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,319
    edited March 2022
    laurentian said:

    pblakeney said:

    laurentian said:

    . . . you're all aware that there's a new variant "Deltacron" right? Reported as having a "R"of 10 this morning on the radio . . .

    Doesn't matter. BJ says live with it so that's that then.
    Ashamed that I questioned his sagacity.

    I think I'm right in saying that this variant is causing the problems in HK (Honkers?) and China at the moment
    Omicron in China apparently. And Hong Kong.
    Deltacron in Brazil.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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