The big Coronavirus thread

First.Aspect

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

rjsterry

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

Well one of us needs to use some.

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

First.Aspect

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a shit is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

First.Aspect

Meh. Society is still pretty much as crap as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

TheBigBean

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

The article seems to object to the term "people with disabilities".

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

Sure but not all disabled people have learning disabilities. My sister-in-law has cerebral palsy and would give a mouthful to anyone calling her handicapped.

Pross

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

The article seems to object to the term "people with disabilities".

Yeah, it's a subtle difference. As I understand it people with disabilities suggest the problem is with them. Disabled people is seen as they are having barriers put in their way.

First.Aspect

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

Sure but not all disabled people have learning disabilities. My sister-in-law has cerebral palsy and would give a mouthful to anyone calling her handicapped.

That's fair.

it's an analogy to other naming convention debates though isn't it? Race, sexuality etc.

At the end of the day she's your sister in law and has cerebral palsy.

shirley_basso

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

First.Aspect

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

I can't tell whether or not you are taking the piss.

pblakeney

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

TheBigBean

Pross said:

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

The article seems to object to the term "people with disabilities".

Yeah, it's a subtle difference. As I understand it people with disabilities suggest the problem is with them. Disabled people is seen as they are having barriers put in their way.

It's just you opened up your previous post with "those with disabilities" and then linked to something suggesting that wasn't great language.

I suppose my point is that it isn't easy.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

The article seems to object to the term "people with disabilities".

Yeah, it's a subtle difference. As I understand it people with disabilities suggest the problem is with them. Disabled people is seen as they are having barriers put in their way.

It's just you opened up your previous post with "those with disabilities" and then linked to something suggesting that wasn't great language.

I suppose my point is that it isn't easy.

Yes and to avoid confusion my point is not that it doesn't matter at all or that you shouldn't try; it is more that if someone does trip up on the minefield of every changing terminology as regards minority groups it is understandable and gently corrected by using the "right" terminology (whatever that happens to be that week).

Jezyboy

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

pblakeney

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

In fairness John80 was more "jumped on" than "gently corrected" for using the wrong terminology when he was supporting the rights of disabled people

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

In fairness John80 was more "jumped on" than "gently corrected" for using the wrong terminology when he was supporting the rights of disabled people

Pross just commented that it was the first time he had seen someone use the word handicapped in years.

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

My mum still refers to the handicapped. And she had a handicapped child.

It means the same thing. And honestly, if "disabled" had been the term of choice at that time, you'd be criticised for using it now, and another term would be preferred. Such as handicapped.

It is not an "in my day" thing, more that as you get older you start to see how cyclic things are.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

My mum still refers to the handicapped. And she had a handicapped child.

It means the same thing. And honestly, if "disabled" had been the term of choice at that time, you'd be criticised for using it now, and another term would be preferred. Such as handicapped.

It is not an "in my day" thing, more that as you get older you start to see how cyclic things are.

Stuff changes. Mostly for the better. Busses now routinely have wheelchair ramps, and visual and verbal announcements of what stop you are approaching. All new housing has to be built to accommodate varying degrees of mobility (that most of us will experience at some point in our lives). People need to stop grumping that they occasionally have a slightly awkward moment because they use an archaic term.

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

I have good manners but can't keep me up with all the latest rules.
I will do nothing intentionally so past that, meh.

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

I have good manners but can't keep me up with all the latest rules.
I will do nothing intentionally so past that, meh.

There aren't rules, just conventions. And I think intent is half of it anyway.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

My mum still refers to the handicapped. And she had a handicapped child.

It means the same thing. And honestly, if "disabled" had been the term of choice at that time, you'd be criticised for using it now, and another term would be preferred. Such as handicapped.

It is not an "in my day" thing, more that as you get older you start to see how cyclic things are.

Stuff changes. Mostly for the better. Busses now routinely have wheelchair ramps, and visual and verbal announcements of what stop you are approaching. All new housing has to be built to accommodate varying degrees of mobility (that most of us will experience at some point in our lives). People need to stop grumping that they occasionally have a slightly awkward moment because they use an archaic term.

Random question - do you think outward opening bathroom doors are a good thing? I feel that they are going to cause injuries.

Pross

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

john80 said:

photonic69 said:

rjsterry said:

Numbers going up again. Wave no. 4 is this?
.

“ The ONS says it's too early to say what's behind the rise in cases.…” - from the BBC website.

No sh!t Sherlock! Everyone I see around the supermarket is unmasked and openly coughing everywhere. People seem to believe the pandemic is over cos the asshat government said so.

Or maybe they looked at the research that said it was about as dangerous as flu and made a rational decision.

What, to spread it unnecessarily?

It's funny isn't it how those that talk about the covid risk in supermarkets don't have their mates round and insist on all the windows open in winter and masks all round. It funny how that supermarket seems more risky than the many other social interactions they have that are clearly much worse.

I’m so you can go f yourself! I talk about the lack of mask wearing in shops, supermarkets and work and transportation yet I’m still wearing a mask and following guidelines as I’m clinically extremely vulnerable and have had four jabs yet still managed to get COVID. My mates when rarely round will
Sit in out garden with plenty of ventilation. So, yes. I have a valid fooking point that unmasked people around
Me are putting me at risk and there seems to be f all I can do about it. Hence getting really pissed orf when I did get it from work. And I was pretty ill. So my opinion is pretty f’ing valid as I know what protection and measures I insist on in my own life.

Reflect on how you got covid and start from there. Whilst you might be a bastion of virtue I am a bit fed up with those banging on about precautions when watching them operate makes me think they would struggle to avoid an STI. #thesupermarketisnotthatrisky.

You have as much of a valid point as those needing crutches asking everyone else to use crutches to make the world a more equal place.

We literally have part of the Building Regs that makes it a legal requirement for new buildings to be wheelchair accessible despite a tiny fraction of the population using one. We spend millions of pounds installing lifts that able bodied people don't need. You really do spout some nonsense sometimes.

If you think that making everyone in a supermarket wear a mask is of the same value as making the world a more equal place for the handicapped then good luck to you. I have just built an extension and it cost me nothing to make it wheelchair compatible but you crack on with your logic.

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.

Honestly, as someone with a brother in law with special needs, and a who used to have a profoundly handicapped brother, the semantics is so utterly irrelevant in comparison to their actual needs, I'd be happy if they were called Joeys, providing their needs were even half way met by this society.

Enough with the yoghurt knitting.

My wife works in care with adults with learning disabilities, I understand the issues they face. Having enough respect to use what is considered to be the acceptable term by the majority of those living with disabilities rather than a term that went out of common use about 30 years ago would appear good starting point.

Giving a censored is a good starting point.

Why is handicapped and worse than disabled?

"Dis" is negative.

That's awful.

Let's refer to people as para abled. Or alternatively abled. Or complementaritly abled.

That'll fix it.

Or make no fuxking difference whatsoever.

It makes a difference to those with disabilities. People get called out for using dated terminology for other minority groups, why do you think it doesn't matter for disabled people? Differently abled is also not liked by many disabled people as they think it trivialises their condition. Disabled isn't negative, it refers to the barriers that are put in place not their physical condition.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/social-model-disability-language

The article seems to object to the term "people with disabilities".

Yeah, it's a subtle difference. As I understand it people with disabilities suggest the problem is with them. Disabled people is seen as they are having barriers put in their way.

It's just you opened up your previous post with "those with disabilities" and then linked to something suggesting that wasn't great language.

I suppose my point is that it isn't easy.

I agree but I'm surprised to see there are still people who think handicapped is an acceptable term.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

A minefield, as I said.
I've got more pressing things to be concerned about. Much like most of society.

'in my day...'

It's just good manners, that's all.

I have good manners but can't keep me up with all the latest rules.
I will do nothing intentionally so past that, meh.

There aren't rules, just conventions. And I think intent is half of it anyway.

There's no intent either way I wouldn't have thought.

You are correct some things have improved. But my experience has been that Covid has been very, very hard on the care sector. You hear about the elderly care homes, but not about other care settings. Because those people don't have much of a voice.

We have a friend with a daughter in long term care and the home just gave her back. She's 82 and now has a 55 year old special needs person to care for full time. And my brother in law had a lower quality of life and fewer rights afforded him in lockdown than someone in prison. That is no exaggeration.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Jezyboy said:

pblakeney said:

shirley_basso said:

First.Aspect said:

Meh. Society is still pretty much as censored as it was in the 1980s as far as I can see. Labels don't matter a jot. At least to those who don't know they are [ insert label here ].

I disagree that labels don't matter. Language is super important

Context and intent is more important.

I would have thought that part of intent is trying to use the correct terms though.

Does anyone have a list of approved terms? Call it newspeak if you wish.
It is a minefield which is nigh on impossible to keep up with unless it is a primary concern.

We've discussed this in another context before. There cannot be any approved list as different people have different views on what terms they are comfortable with. You just need to think about what you are saying and the context; that's all. If in doubt ask, or just be prepared to rephrase if someone takes it the wrong way. I think the fear of getting it wrong seems to have blown out of proportion.

In fairness John80 was more "jumped on" than "gently corrected" for using the wrong terminology when he was supporting the rights of disabled people

Pross just commented that it was the first time he had seen someone use the word handicapped in years.

As Pross is one of the politer people on here I would consider that a rebuke

That could be the first time I've seen handicapped used instead of disabled this century.