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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
    Are you talking talking about KGs question to me? :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited January 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
    Are you talking talking about KGs question to me? :smile:
    I don't know really, it was just something to say. I have to try, this Covid malarkey is getting a bit boring now, especially if you've been sensible enough to get vaccinated.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    edited January 2022

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
    Are you talking talking about KGs question to me? :smile:
    I don't know really, it was just something to say. I have to try, this Covid malarkey is getting a bit boring now, especially if you've been sensible enough to get vaccinated.
    True, the good news is we are in the process getting back to normal out in the big wide world. A poll today asked if people would carry on wearing masks voluntarily after plan B is ditched on the 26th - so far 56% have said no. (Another 13% said they had never worn them in the first place, 11% said yes they would continue and 20% said sometimes depending on circumstances).
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721

    It's more the inconvenience of being infected coupled the 'i am an absolute selfish arseh0le' attitude of your colleague who knowingly brings an infectious virus into the workplace when they probably could be working from home.

    Not sure what thread you're pulling at

    Bally's lost the plot rather but actually I was thinking of people who don't get paid if they don't come to work*

    The upshot of this is that your barista, office cleaner, prêt sandwich maker or barman can knowingly be coughing COVID all over your order and there is absolutely no reason to let you decide if you're ok with that or not....

    That's the reality, it's now 100% NOT up to you and your common sense.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    ddraver said:

    It's more the inconvenience of being infected coupled the 'i am an absolute selfish arseh0le' attitude of your colleague who knowingly brings an infectious virus into the workplace when they probably could be working from home.

    Not sure what thread you're pulling at

    Bally's lost the plot rather but actually I was thinking of people who don't get paid if they don't come to work*

    The upshot of this is that your barista, office cleaner, prêt sandwich maker or barman can knowingly be coughing COVID all over your order and there is absolutely no reason to let you decide if you're ok with that or not....

    That's the reality, it's now 100% NOT up to you and your common sense.
    So who is it up to once the rules are ditched?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721
    Whoever blinks last..?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,823
    edited January 2022

    rjsterry said:

    Breathing in stray synthetic fibres through a mask can't be that great for you. When you think about synthetic clothes worn around the house, these fibres can be breathed in.

    Entirely different materials.
    The material most commonly used to make these masks is polypropylene—a type of fabric made from a “thermoplastic” polymer (meaning that it’s easy to work with and shape at high temperatures). Blue surgical masks can also be made of polystyrene, polycarbonate, polyethylene, or polyester— all of which are types of fabrics derived from thermoplastic polymers.
    https://health-desk.org/articles/what-are-blue-surgical-masks-made-of-and-is-the-material-safe

    I realize clothes are made of different fibres, but some are still synthetic (Man made).
    In one, loose fibres are spun into a yarn which is then woven into fabric. In the other, the fibres are bonded together rather than loose, so they don't shed. Inhaling 'natural' fibres is pretty bad for you as well. Ask garment workers.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Breathing in stray synthetic fibres through a mask can't be that great for you. When you think about synthetic clothes worn around the house, these fibres can be breathed in.

    Entirely different materials.
    The material most commonly used to make these masks is polypropylene—a type of fabric made from a “thermoplastic” polymer (meaning that it’s easy to work with and shape at high temperatures). Blue surgical masks can also be made of polystyrene, polycarbonate, polyethylene, or polyester— all of which are types of fabrics derived from thermoplastic polymers.
    https://health-desk.org/articles/what-are-blue-surgical-masks-made-of-and-is-the-material-safe

    I realize clothes are made of different fibres, but some are still synthetic (Man made).
    In one, loose fibres are spun into a yarn which is then woven into fabric. In the other, the fibres are bonded together rather than loose, so they don't shed. Inhaling 'natural' fibres is pretty bad for you as well. Ask garment workers.
    Natural fibres degrade though, not so much man made ones. Synthetic fibres stuck in the lungs over time sounds like it could cause problems. I should Google this really, and find out. Later maybe
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
    Are you talking talking about KGs question to me? :smile:
    I don't know really, it was just something to say. I have to try, this Covid malarkey is getting a bit boring now, especially if you've been sensible enough to get vaccinated.
    True, the good news is we are in the process getting back to normal out in the big wide world. A poll today asked if people would carry on wearing masks voluntarily after plan B is ditched on the 26th - so far 56% have said no. (Another 13% said they had never worn them in the first place, 11% said yes they would continue and 20% said sometimes depending on circumstances).
    I can understand if people still want to wear them for various reason, but yeah, life has to move on.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    And if they dont go..?

    And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

    What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
    People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions
    Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?
    Do the government post on here often?
    ?
    The question was asked on here.
    It's not relevant to my question.
    Yes it is.
    Please explain.
    I had the miss fortune expanded that to read it, what a load of pointless point scoring drivel.
    Are you talking talking about KGs question to me? :smile:
    I don't know really, it was just something to say. I have to try, this Covid malarkey is getting a bit boring now, especially if you've been sensible enough to get vaccinated.
    True, the good news is we are in the process getting back to normal out in the big wide world. A poll today asked if people would carry on wearing masks voluntarily after plan B is ditched on the 26th - so far 56% have said no. (Another 13% said they had never worn them in the first place, 11% said yes they would continue and 20% said sometimes depending on circumstances).

    Initially at least I’m in the 20%. Especially in the week immediately after 26th, When I can’t afford to get Covid as it would torpedo a ski trip first weekend of Feb.

    After then, I expect I’ll shift towards the 56%.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,274
    Isn't DD self employed / contracting, i.e. not one of those who can hide away at home coz of sniffle and still get paid as normal? I speak tap as a self-employed but for me as outdoors and mainly solo worker, contact risk is minimal. Much higher when I venture to a supermarkt or the like.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    orraloon said:

    Isn't DD self employed / contracting, i.e. not one of those who can hide away at home coz of sniffle and still get paid as normal? I speak tap as a self-employed but for me as outdoors and mainly solo worker, contact risk is minimal. Much higher when I venture to a supermarkt or the like.

    No idea. That's why I said that only he was placed to know the circumstances and to decide accordingly on any measures/action.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
    So my position, as resident gobsh!te,os the person in the office who would have to tell them to go home, do not pass go and explain they were being an ars1hole. Unless HR fancied it, but they're usually not in the office.

    So that's how I'd mitigate it; taking one for the team in one sense, as I'd have to talk to the offender.

    I've seen your argument before, from a no-masker who I called out in the shops.

    I was buying a black tie for the funeral I had to attend to abroad, and some rough looking guy came in, no mask, talking very loudly at his kid etc.

    I explained, fairly blunty as buying ties for funerals is not really a fun thing to do, that he needed to put a mask on or jog on till I was done, as I was in no position to get covid (as I'd miss the funeral).

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    So perhaps that's why I'm reading your post wrong. In this instance, the guy in the wrong is the geezer without a mask. In the office instance, the person turning up with covid.

    So why aren't you focusing on the person in the wrong?

    Is this not a type of victim blaming?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,504
    I'll play just for fun. I'd send him home. Sickness pay circumstances will dictate how well that will be received.
    Why? Well, may as well have one off sick instead of spreading it to everyone else where (depending on office size) you could double, treble, or even more going off sick depending on the percentage of slackers looking for a sickie.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited January 2022
    On a fairly basic level, and I'm turning into Pino, I am of the view that, within reason, I should not change my behaviour to account for d!ckheads.

    I am well aware this means I end up in more confrontations than most people, but hey, you gotta put your money where your mouth is.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,031

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
    So my position, as resident gobsh!te,os the person in the office who would have to tell them to go home, do not pass go and explain they were being an ars1hole. Unless HR fancied it, but they're usually not in the office.

    So that's how I'd mitigate it; taking one for the team in one sense, as I'd have to talk to the offender.

    I've seen your argument before, from a no-masker who I called out in the shops.

    I was buying a black tie for the funeral I had to attend to abroad, and some rough looking guy came in, no mask, talking very loudly at his kid etc.

    I explained, fairly blunty as buying ties for funerals is not really a fun thing to do, that he needed to put a mask on or jog on till I was done, as I was in no position to get covid (as I'd miss the funeral).

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    So perhaps that's why I'm reading your post wrong. In this instance, the guy in the wrong is the geezer without a mask. In the office instance, the person turning up with covid.

    So why aren't you focusing on the person in the wrong?

    Is this not a type of victim blaming?
    You appear to have chosen to increase your risk by arguing with someone. He may have been in the wrong, but I think you may have joined him.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    Did this person know you personally? ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    edited January 2022

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
    So my position, as resident gobsh!te,os the person in the office who would have to tell them to go home, do not pass go and explain they were being an ars1hole. Unless HR fancied it, but they're usually not in the office.

    So that's how I'd mitigate it; taking one for the team in one sense, as I'd have to talk to the offender.

    I've seen your argument before, from a no-masker who I called out in the shops.

    I was buying a black tie for the funeral I had to attend to abroad, and some rough looking guy came in, no mask, talking very loudly at his kid etc.

    I explained, fairly blunty as buying ties for funerals is not really a fun thing to do, that he needed to put a mask on or jog on till I was done, as I was in no position to get covid (as I'd miss the funeral).

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    So perhaps that's why I'm reading your post wrong. In this instance, the guy in the wrong is the geezer without a mask. In the office instance, the person turning up with covid.

    So why aren't you focusing on the person in the wrong?

    Is this not a type of victim blaming?
    Are you on crack?
    Again, in even simpler language.
    Yes, the guy turning up at work with covid is in the wrong. Ar5ehole behaviour as agreed. But in doing so, he has created a problem for YOU.
    YOU have considered all the options and decided to tell him that he must go home.
    YOU came to that decision YOURSELF based on YOUR circumstances..
    In short, you have followed the advice to the letter that I gave DDR.

    DDR's question was what should HE do, not whether the covid sufferer was in the wrong.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721
    edited January 2022
    So what happens if he looks up, coughs, and says no?

    Which, lets be honest, if he's in the workplace already he almost certainly will.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    edited January 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    Did this person know you personally? ;)
    Rick talks of victim blaming but chose to chastise someone for not wearing a mask when he could actually have been exempt. And why did he choose to judge the non mask wearing guy on the basis of his appearance? I'm sure there's some irony in there somewhere.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited January 2022
    Elon Musk can look quite scruffy, and he's like a mega rich bloke.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    I had hoped that the long-standing eastern habit of wearing a mask when you have the sniffles, as a courtesy others, would get traction here. Since masks have become politicised that looks very unlikely now.

    If we all stayed home when we had colds then I wouldn’t have done much work in the last 30 years. The average student/postgrad would have been off a fair bit too. Bit difficult doing lab work and teaching lab skills by zoom (and yes, I did do some simulation classes, but it’s not the same).
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    ddraver said:

    So what happens if he looks up, coughs, and says no?

    Which, lets be honest, if he's in the workplace already he almost certainly will.

    At the risk of sounding repetitive, nobody else but yourself knows, as only you are there and only you can decide.
    Rick came up with a solution if it were to happen in his workplace.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,154
    edited January 2022
    And Jack Dorsey, well scruffy. His Minds just on other big $h1t.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    Perhaps I am misreading the 'vibe'
    Perhaps Rick is happy enough for you not wearing a mask as long as you are dressed smart? It's the oiks he has a problem with.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721

    ddraver said:

    So what happens if he looks up, coughs, and says no?

    Which, lets be honest, if he's in the workplace already he almost certainly will.

    At the risk of sounding repetitive, nobody else but yourself knows, as only you are there and only you can decide.
    Rick came up with a solution if it were to happen in his workplace.
    Yes, but I'm asking you...

    (Sorry - Stevo again...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
    If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
    But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
    What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
    Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
    Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
    DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

    As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?
    So my position, as resident gobsh!te,os the person in the office who would have to tell them to go home, do not pass go and explain they were being an ars1hole. Unless HR fancied it, but they're usually not in the office.

    So that's how I'd mitigate it; taking one for the team in one sense, as I'd have to talk to the offender.

    I've seen your argument before, from a no-masker who I called out in the shops.

    I was buying a black tie for the funeral I had to attend to abroad, and some rough looking guy came in, no mask, talking very loudly at his kid etc.

    I explained, fairly blunty as buying ties for funerals is not really a fun thing to do, that he needed to put a mask on or jog on till I was done, as I was in no position to get covid (as I'd miss the funeral).

    He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

    So perhaps that's why I'm reading your post wrong. In this instance, the guy in the wrong is the geezer without a mask. In the office instance, the person turning up with covid.

    So why aren't you focusing on the person in the wrong?

    Is this not a type of victim blaming?
    Are you on crack?
    Again, in even simpler language.
    Yes, the guy turning up at work with covid is in the wrong. Ar5ehole behaviour as agreed. But in doing so, he has created a problem for YOU.
    YOU have considered all the options and decided to tell him that he must go home.
    YOU came to that decision YOURSELF based on YOUR circumstances..
    In short, you have followed the advice to the letter that I gave DDR.

    DDR's question was what should HE do, not whether the covid sufferer was in the wrong.
    Be honest - you gave no advice.