The big Coronavirus thread

ballysmate

ddraver said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

So what happens if he looks up, coughs, and says no?

Which, lets be honest, if he's in the workplace already he almost certainly will.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, nobody else but yourself knows, as only you are there and only you can decide.
Rick came up with a solution if it were to happen in his workplace.

Yes, but I'm asking you...

(Sorry - Stevo again...)

How can I or anyone else possibly answer? You are the only one there privvy to all the circumstances.

What's the best gear for me to select to ride my bike along the A5?

focuszing723

Life can be fun too.

rjsterry

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

Breathing in stray synthetic fibres through a mask can't be that great for you. When you think about synthetic clothes worn around the house, these fibres can be breathed in.

Entirely different materials.

The material most commonly used to make these masks is polypropylene—a type of fabric made from a “thermoplastic” polymer (meaning that it’s easy to work with and shape at high temperatures). Blue surgical masks can also be made of polystyrene, polycarbonate, polyethylene, or polyester— all of which are types of fabrics derived from thermoplastic polymers.

https://health-desk.org/articles/what-are-blue-surgical-masks-made-of-and-is-the-material-safe

I realize clothes are made of different fibres, but some are still synthetic (Man made).

In one, loose fibres are spun into a yarn which is then woven into fabric. In the other, the fibres are bonded together rather than loose, so they don't shed. Inhaling 'natural' fibres is pretty bad for you as well. Ask garment workers.

Natural fibres degrade though, not so much man made ones. Synthetic fibres stuck in the lungs over time sounds like it could cause problems. I should Google this really, and find out. Later maybe

I'd suggest you don't want composting plant fibres deep within your lungs providing a home for fungal spores and micro organisms, any more than bits of plastic. Organic material doesn't just disappear it gets eaten and excreted.

focuszing723

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

Breathing in stray synthetic fibres through a mask can't be that great for you. When you think about synthetic clothes worn around the house, these fibres can be breathed in.

Entirely different materials.

The material most commonly used to make these masks is polypropylene—a type of fabric made from a “thermoplastic” polymer (meaning that it’s easy to work with and shape at high temperatures). Blue surgical masks can also be made of polystyrene, polycarbonate, polyethylene, or polyester— all of which are types of fabrics derived from thermoplastic polymers.

https://health-desk.org/articles/what-are-blue-surgical-masks-made-of-and-is-the-material-safe

I realize clothes are made of different fibres, but some are still synthetic (Man made).

In one, loose fibres are spun into a yarn which is then woven into fabric. In the other, the fibres are bonded together rather than loose, so they don't shed. Inhaling 'natural' fibres is pretty bad for you as well. Ask garment workers.

Natural fibres degrade though, not so much man made ones. Synthetic fibres stuck in the lungs over time sounds like it could cause problems. I should Google this really, and find out. Later maybe

I'd suggest you don't want composting plant fibres deep within your lungs providing a home for fungal spores and micro organisms, any more than bits of plastic. Organic material doesn't just disappear it gets eaten and excreted.

I would have thought the Human body overtime has evolved to deal with natural degradable materials, especially in constant by small quantities. Can a build up of synthetic material in the system be degraded, though? Again, I need to look into this, but I'm not feeling it at the moment. My mind is fully of scruffy people, masks, cheese and wine, coughing, nukes, Russia, Ukraine, Biden, Putin, Tesla, Space, Aliens...

Ncovidius

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

focuszing723

Ncovidius said:

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

focuszing723 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1LSwjtrhA

Still positive news in terms of how mild omicron is with regards data from South Africa.

One concerning point is raised towards the end though, because people who unfortunately die (lung complications) occur towards the end of the infectious period, the virus at that point has already had ample time to spread and moved on. This consequently means there is no evolutionary motive for Covid not to kill it's host, where is the advantage/disadvantage if the virus has already spread?

In other words strains could become milder or stronger. I hope this is proved to be wrong (click to jump to point in the video).

kingstongraham

Ncovidius said:

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20856814/#Comment_20856814

First.Aspect

kingstongraham said:

Ncovidius said:

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20856814/#Comment_20856814

It's gibberish, don't bother.

First.Aspect

focuszing723 said:

Ncovidius said:

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

focuszing723 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1LSwjtrhA

Still positive news in terms of how mild omicron is with regards data from South Africa.

One concerning point is raised towards the end though, because people who unfortunately die (lung complications) occur towards the end of the infectious period, the virus at that point has already had ample time to spread and moved on. This consequently means there is no evolutionary motive for Covid not to kill it's host, where is the advantage/disadvantage if the virus has already spread?

In other words strains could become milder or stronger. I hope this is proved to be wrong (click to jump to point in the video).

I hear mixed comment on this sort of thing. The flip side being that all previous coronaviruses have indeed become milder.

FWIW, omicron appears milder because it is better at infecting the upper respiratory tract. The flip side is there's no need for it to be as good at infecting other tissues. Or, if its better at infecting the lungs, that takes longer and its less transmissible.

Something like that.

focuszing723

First.Aspect said:

focuszing723 said:

Ncovidius said:

So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

focuszing723 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1LSwjtrhA

Still positive news in terms of how mild omicron is with regards data from South Africa.

One concerning point is raised towards the end though, because people who unfortunately die (lung complications) occur towards the end of the infectious period, the virus at that point has already had ample time to spread and moved on. This consequently means there is no evolutionary motive for Covid not to kill it's host, where is the advantage/disadvantage if the virus has already spread?

In other words strains could become milder or stronger. I hope this is proved to be wrong (click to jump to point in the video).

I hear mixed comment on this sort of thing. The flip side being that all previous coronaviruses have indeed become milder.

FWIW, omicron appears milder because it is better at infecting the upper respiratory tract. The flip side is there's no need for it to be as good at infecting other tissues. Or, if its better at infecting the lungs, that takes longer and its less transmissible.

Something like that.

Yeah, I'd like to think milder is the way of things akin to Omicron, but It's a valid point made in the video, time will tell.

rjsterry

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

Breathing in stray synthetic fibres through a mask can't be that great for you. When you think about synthetic clothes worn around the house, these fibres can be breathed in.

Entirely different materials.

The material most commonly used to make these masks is polypropylene—a type of fabric made from a “thermoplastic” polymer (meaning that it’s easy to work with and shape at high temperatures). Blue surgical masks can also be made of polystyrene, polycarbonate, polyethylene, or polyester— all of which are types of fabrics derived from thermoplastic polymers.

https://health-desk.org/articles/what-are-blue-surgical-masks-made-of-and-is-the-material-safe

I realize clothes are made of different fibres, but some are still synthetic (Man made).

In one, loose fibres are spun into a yarn which is then woven into fabric. In the other, the fibres are bonded together rather than loose, so they don't shed. Inhaling 'natural' fibres is pretty bad for you as well. Ask garment workers.

Natural fibres degrade though, not so much man made ones. Synthetic fibres stuck in the lungs over time sounds like it could cause problems. I should Google this really, and find out. Later maybe

I'd suggest you don't want composting plant fibres deep within your lungs providing a home for fungal spores and micro organisms, any more than bits of plastic. Organic material doesn't just disappear it gets eaten and excreted.

I would have thought the Human body overtime has evolved to deal with natural degradable materials, especially in constant by small quantities. Can a build up of synthetic material in the system be degraded, though? Again, I need to look into this, but I'm not feeling it at the moment. My mind is fully of scruffy people, masks, cheese and wine, coughing, nukes, Russia, Ukraine, Biden, Putin, Tesla, Space, Aliens...

I think you need to let go of the notion that natural = benign.

surrey_commuter

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

shirley_basso said:

Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

Rick misreading the vibe, surely not?
If you read back all the posts and my responses, I have never stated any support for someone going to work with covid. In fact I agreed with the person who described doing such a thing as ar5ehole behaviour.
But if someone comes into your work place with covid, it does create a problem for YOU. YOU are the one facing any risk.
What YOU do to mitigate such risk is entirely up to YOU to decide because the sick person turning up to work has created a problem for YOU.
Each workplace will need a different solution. eg Sharing a small windowless office is entirely different to working outside for the Forestry Commission.
Perhaps working from home would be a solution for some or it may come to sending them home on full pay.
DDr asked what he should do. Obviously that would be up to him to decide. Only he would be able to determine the risks and any possible solutions.

As an aside, do you really stay off work if you have a cold?

He came back with "that was the risk YOU took when you came out. If you don't like it, go and f*cking hide behind the sofa".

Did this person know you personally?

Rick talks of victim blaming but chose to chastise someone for not wearing a mask when he could actually have been exempt. And why did he choose to judge the non mask wearing guy on the basis of his appearance? I'm sure there's some irony in there somewhere.

This is a fair point and Rick made no attempt to explain why this lower class yobbo was in a gentleman’s outfitters at a time when the judicial system was in lockdown

First.Aspect

Can you guys remind us all what you are arguing about again please?

Did one of you accuse the other of riding a girl's bike?

TheBigBean

First.Aspect said:

Can you guys remind us all what you are arguing about again please?

Did one of you accuse the other of riding a girl's bike?

You are not new to Cake Stop. You know the drill.

focuszing723

First.Aspect said:

Can you guys remind us all what you are arguing about again please?

Did one of you accuse the other of riding a girl's bike?

Scruffy blokes are a major Covid risk.

Stevo_666

Ncovidius said:

Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

'Wet wipes'

Although I think you missed out something about sofas.

focuszing723

Although Jack Dorsey could buy the shop and the street too, if you happen to walk in, and he's there milling around, run for your life.

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

So what happens if he looks up, coughs, and says no?

Which, lets be honest, if he's in the workplace already he almost certainly will.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, nobody else but yourself knows, as only you are there and only you can decide.
Rick came up with a solution if it were to happen in his workplace.

Yes, but I'm asking you...

(Sorry - Stevo again...)

When does my rent free period in your head finish?

First.Aspect

focuszing723 said:

First.Aspect said:

Can you guys remind us all what you are arguing about again please?

Did one of you accuse the other of riding a girl's bike?

Scruffy blokes are a major Covid risk.

Never trust a man who looks like he's wearing someone else's suit, that's what I say.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

Can you guys remind us all what you are arguing about again please?

Did one of you accuse the other of riding a girl's bike?

You are not new to Cake Stop. You know the drill.

I was just seeking confirmation that it was all related to step-through frame related insults, that's all.

Stevo_666

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

And if they dont go..?

And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions

Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?

Do the government post on here often?

?

The question was asked on here.

It's not relevant to my question.

Yes it is.

Please explain.

No reply - looks like you can't.

rick_chasey

What are we arguing about? It was about attitudes to returning to a world without restrictions, and how best to deal with ars*hole people who refuse to mitigate their potential to be superspreaders.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

And if they dont go..?

And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions

Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?

Do the government post on here often?

?

The question was asked on here.

It's not relevant to my question.

Yes it is.

Please explain.

No reply - looks like you can't.

I could, but didn't think it worthwhile. Does your persistence mean that I am living rent free in your head?

Anyway, here goes. It's simple logic.

A question was asked on here, what the questioner should do in a given situation. I assumed that a response was expected from people on here. You assumed that the questioner wanted the government to tell them what to do in that situation.

The only way those two things can be resolved is by the government posting advice on here.

I hereby unilaterally declare this boring topic closed and will enter into no further discussion on it.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

Ncovidius said:

Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

'Wet wipes'

Although I think you missed out something about sofas.

Is that posted from your garage or your real office? 🤔

First.Aspect

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

And if they dont go..?

And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions

Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?

Do the government post on here often?

?

The question was asked on here.

It's not relevant to my question.

Yes it is.

Please explain.

No reply - looks like you can't.

I could, but didn't think it worthwhile. Does your persistence mean that I am living rent free in your head?

Anyway, here goes. It's simple logic.

A question was asked on here, what the questioner should do in a given situation. I assumed that a response was expected from people on here. You assumed that the questioner wanted the government to tell them what to do in that situation.

The only way those two things can be resolved is by the government posting advice on here.

I hereby unilaterally declare this boring topic closed and will enter into no further discussion on it.

And then HE said, see your bike, its a girl's bike, so I said, quite reasonably, no it isn't and besides, my dad's better than your dad...

darkhairedlord

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

And if they dont go..?

And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions

Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?

Do the government post on here often?

?

The question was asked on here.

It's not relevant to my question.

Yes it is.

Please explain.

No reply - looks like you can't.

I could, but didn't think it worthwhile. Does your persistence mean that I am living rent free in your head?

Anyway, here goes. It's simple logic.

A question was asked on here, what the questioner should do in a given situation. I assumed that a response was expected from people on here. You assumed that the questioner wanted the government to tell them what to do in that situation.

The only way those two things can be resolved is by the government posting advice on here.

I hereby unilaterally declare this boring topic closed and will enter into no further discussion on it.

And then HE said, see your bike, its a girl's bike, so I said, quite reasonably, no it isn't and besides, my dad's better than your dad...

Raleigh shopper?

First.Aspect

darkhairedlord said:

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

ddraver said:

And if they dont go..?

And you have plans to see your parents that weekend etc etc

What did you do before when someone turned up ill?
People will have to learn to live with covid and make their own decisions

Maybe Raver wants to be told what to do by the government all the time?

Do the government post on here often?

?

The question was asked on here.

It's not relevant to my question.

Yes it is.

Please explain.

No reply - looks like you can't.

I could, but didn't think it worthwhile. Does your persistence mean that I am living rent free in your head?

Anyway, here goes. It's simple logic.

A question was asked on here, what the questioner should do in a given situation. I assumed that a response was expected from people on here. You assumed that the questioner wanted the government to tell them what to do in that situation.

The only way those two things can be resolved is by the government posting advice on here.

I hereby unilaterally declare this boring topic closed and will enter into no further discussion on it.

And then HE said, see your bike, its a girl's bike, so I said, quite reasonably, no it isn't and besides, my dad's better than your dad...

Raleigh shopper?

My Dad has a Ford Capri. Your dad has a brown Moris Marina.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Ncovidius said:

Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

'Wet wipes'

Although I think you missed out something about sofas.

Is that posted from your garage or your real office? 🤔

I'm WFH today as I have to head out for a doctors appointment locally. Was in the office during the week.

How about you?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

Ncovidius said:

Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.

'Wet wipes'

Although I think you missed out something about sofas.

Is that posted from your garage or your real office? 🤔

I'm WFH today as I have to head out for a doctors appointment locally. Was in the office during the week.

How about you?

Have been in the office and on site every day this week. Averaging about 3-4 days a month WFH, as much to be in for deliveries as anything else.

kingstonian

Drakeford being critical that decisions in England are being made without following the science.

Haven’t heard him say the same about Scotland.........