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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    DeVlaeminck said:

    I've not seen anyone blasé about passing it on to others.

    No? People in households where someone has tested positive, taking no measures to isolate the infected member?
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,031
    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    I've not seen anyone blasé about passing it on to others.

    No? People in households where someone has tested positive, taking no measures to isolate the infected member?
    If you mean me, I'm not sure that locking small children in a room for a week in order to save myself from infection would have been the right thing to do. Plus, chances are when one person tests positive, the other one is already incubating it.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    edited January 2022
    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
    You're coming across like a bit of s fool if you don't see the difference between being stuck at home and accepting the inevitability of being infected by your children and going into your office with a +ve test
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    Not you specifically. But you made a decision as you saw fit. Fine.
    You obviously weighed up the consequences and made a reasoned decision based I assume on the minimal risk of your death ensuing.
    Perfectly reasonable.
    Ddr still views covid as a potential death sentence. His prerogative,but should make his own decision.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    ballysmate said:

    Not you specifically. But you made a decision as you saw fit. Fine.
    You obviously weighed up the consequences and made a reasoned decision based I assume on the minimal risk of your death ensuing.
    Perfectly reasonable.
    Ddr still views covid as a potential death sentence. His prerogative,but should make his own decision.

    You remind me of that bit kids do.

    “I’m going to wave my fists and walk in this direction. If my fists hit you it’s *your* fault”
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    It's more the inconvenience of being infected coupled the 'i am an absolute selfish arseh0le' attitude of your colleague who knowingly brings an infectious virus into the workplace when they probably could be working from home.

    Not sure what thread you're pulling at
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
    Sorry I've no idea what point you are making


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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    Not you specifically. But you made a decision as you saw fit. Fine.
    You obviously weighed up the consequences and made a reasoned decision based I assume on the minimal risk of your death ensuing.
    Perfectly reasonable.
    Ddr still views covid as a potential death sentence. His prerogative,but should make his own decision.

    You remind me of that bit kids do.

    “I’m going to wave my fists and walk in this direction. If my fists hit you it’s *your* fault”
    What has that got to do with what Ddr brought up about how you should react if someone comes to work with covid?
    My response was, he is an adult, he can work out any risks and act accordingly.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    shirley_basso said:

    It's more the inconvenience of being infected coupled the 'i am an absolute selfish arseh0le' attitude of your colleague who knowingly brings an infectious virus into the workplace when they probably could be working from home.

    Not sure what thread you're pulling at

    Perhaps he is a selfish ar5e hole but wasn't Ddr asking how he should react?
    My response was work it out for yourself.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Valuable advice there.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    DeVlaeminck said:

    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
    Sorry I've no idea what point you are making


    Ddr asked what he should do.
    Weigh up the options/consequences and make your own decision.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    kingstongraham said:

    Valuable advice there.

    I'm sure you encounter problems every day and work out your response based on your circumstances. Only you can decide how to react.
    Nobody on here is privvy to ddr's or anybody else's circumstances so can't tell him what to do.
    He has to decide himself what to do if he is in contact with someone infected.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    edited January 2022
    shirley_basso said:

    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
    You're coming across like a bit of s fool if you don't see the difference between being stuck at home and accepting the inevitability of being infected by your children and going into your office with a +ve test
    Go back and read what Ddr asked.
    He asked what he should do if someone came in with covid. He wasn't asking if he should go in with a positive test.
    So yes there is a difference between having a family member with covid and going into work with covid.
    But that isn't what was asked is it.

    So... It's 25 of March, your work mate comes in with a horrible cough, a temperature and a positive test.

    What do you do..?



    I would also question whether infection is inevitable.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    It's different taking a risk of catching it because of the practicalities of avoiding it - compared to being blasé about passing it on to others.

    You mean people thought about the risks and made a reason based decision based on their circumstances? Bit like what I suggested, no?
    Sorry I've no idea what point you are making


    Ddr asked what he should do.
    Weigh up the options/consequences and make your own decision.
    Yes my point was you have a right to make decisions about your own health - when it impacts on others such as going into work when Covid positive it's a bit different.

    I'm all for us learning to live with the virus- even treating it like flu - but if a guy came into work saying he'd just tested positive for flu I'd suggest he wouldn't be popular.


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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,513
    DeVlaeminck said:



    I'm all for us learning to live with the virus- even treating it like flu - but if a guy came into work saying he'd just tested positive for flu I'd suggest he wouldn't be popular.

    I will suggest that flu is a bad comparison. Having had it I'd say most wouldn't make it into work with flu. A bad cold yes, but not flu. What percentage of people have had the flu?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    ballysmate said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Valuable advice there.

    I'm sure you encounter problems every day and work out your response based on your circumstances. Only you can decide how to react.
    Nobody on here is privvy to ddr's or anybody else's circumstances so can't tell him what to do.
    He has to decide himself what to do if he is in contact with someone infected.
    I’m not sure you’re really understanding the point.

    In this situation there are two people, right?

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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    Omicron doesnt appear to have a cough or a temperature. It does appear to be like a cold. Cant see someone knowing theyre positive 3 months from now when you'd have to buy a test every time you had a sniffle.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    rick_chasey said:

    ballysmate said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Valuable advice there.

    I'm sure you encounter problems every day and work out your response based on your circumstances. Only you can decide how to react.
    Nobody on here is privvy to ddr's or anybody else's circumstances so can't tell him what to do.
    He has to decide himself what to do if he is in contact with someone infected.
    I’m not sure you’re really understanding the point.

    In this situation there are two people, right?

    And I'm not sure you are understanding the question.

    So... It's 25 of March, your work mate comes in with a horrible cough, a temperature and a positive test.

    What do you do..?

    Ddr wasn't asking what his colleague should do or @DeVlaeminck whether his colleague would be popular, he was asking what he himself should do?
    Yes there are 2 people, but he was only asking what he, himself, should do.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Tell him to go the f@ck home of course. 👍🏻 Thanks for playing
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,824
    edited January 2022
    ddraver said:



    So... It's 25 of March, your work mate comes in with a horrible cough, a temperature and a positive test.

    What do you do..?

    Tell them to go home. We don't want that going round the office, Covid or other. If they're that unwell they are unlikely to be very productive.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,662
    If we're not allowed to discuss things because "they're our decision" this place will get even quieter.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    ballysmate said:

    DeVlaeminck said:

    I've not seen anyone blasé about passing it on to others.

    No? People in households where someone has tested positive, taking no measures to isolate the infected member?

    I think you’re twisting peoples’ words, my good man.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited January 2022
    shirley_basso said:

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,824
    rick_chasey said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    One of the upsides of all this is that most of us office-based workers are now in a position to work from home with minimal disruption. There's no benefit to employee or employer in bringing any infectious illness into the workplace.
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    Go to your boss and point out that this person can either go home for five days with a known impact on the business. Or he can roll the dice and have potentially 50-100% percent of the people off in a week or two. Any right thinking individual would send this person home on commercial grounds alone. The caveat to this is that at the minute testing is free but the minute it is not I would not be buying a test to minimise my employers potential losses. So how would you know you have covid and employers are going to get annoyed with those that can't work from home claiming they have got covid every 6 months albeit these people would have to like staying in their house.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,404
    If it was me, I'd probably be very British, grumble quietly hide in my office (I'm still lucky enough to have one) and then work from home the next day and let someone else kick off about it.

    This is pretty much how I used to deal with walking "tunes" adverts in with snot around their nose proudly complaining that Tarquin had a streaming cold and all the family feels like sh!t. These days I might ask "why are you here" I suppose.

    Btw anyone who tries to compare covid to a cold hasn't been paying attention. The only way to live with this for the next several years is to keep stamping down on the tw@ts who assure you it is mild and to treat mixing while you have it as being as socially acceptable as coming to work with one or other of the measles, chicken pox, or salmonella poisoning.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,031
    rjsterry said:

    rick_chasey said:

    shirley_basso said:

    Also Ballys wasn't being that clear cut. He was drawing a parallel with people willingly catching it from family members (namely children who you can't feasibly isolate) who also had covid who they live with.

    Hardly the same story as someone coming into your office.

    Maybe I am misreading, but the vibe is very much, people coming into the office with illnesses is other people's problem, and those people need to deal with the "risks"

    I am very much of the view that you can make it the problem of the person who has a cold or covid etc, and make them take responsibility for not making everyone else in the office ill.

    One of the upsides of all this is that most of us office-based workers are now in a position to work from home with minimal disruption. There's no benefit to employee or employer in bringing any infectious illness into the workplace.
    How will you feel when schools start applying the same logic?

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